MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

Seems reasonable.

I really strongly believe we should kill EMC, though.

[President Eden]

I'm not even being performative ( Flum) here, go back and check, he literally voted for brainbomb at xx:59 to make it 7 ghug 7 Bona. If Vecna hadn't rolled in and voted ghug right before deadline, who knows where we are.

We all collectively assumed this was Brian being the Cop and kneejerk reacting to the claim by voting for brainbomb. But he didn't play ball by giving any scans and he somehow didn't even get shot at let alone die for 2 turns when the mafia really should have been trying to kill the Cop at all costs. So now we wanna know what's up.

Tbh this is a reason why scum wouldn’t shoot him. (So they could make this argument) but also it only works because he didn’t give scans.

They'd have to know he's not Cop. And based on how EOD2 went, I'm not sure how they could have a surefire read he wasn't Cop, unless he was Goon.

But we'll let him give his side of things before we sheep Bunny's guilty on Fluminator.

[President Eden]

Seems reasonable.

I really strongly believe we should kill EMC, though.

Or Chaqa's guilty on EMC.

brainbomb voted for HR 2 different times D1 and 2 different times D2, he could have been bussing HR like he was bussing ghug.

Or bozo's guilty on Hellenic Riot.

Or my guilty on myself.

[BunnyGo]

I'm not even being performative ( Flum) here, go back and check, he literally voted for brainbomb at xx:59 to make it 7 ghug 7 Bona. If Vecna hadn't rolled in and voted ghug right before deadline, who knows where we are.

We all collectively assumed this was Brian being the Cop and kneejerk reacting to the claim by voting for brainbomb. But he didn't play ball by giving any scans and he somehow didn't even get shot at let alone die for 2 turns when the mafia really should have been trying to kill the Cop at all costs. So now we wanna know what's up.

Tbh this is a reason why scum wouldn’t shoot him. (So they could make this argument) but also it only works because he didn’t give scans.

Here's an interesting question. There are three cases:

1) He's the cop.
2) He's a non-cop town.
3) He's a goon.

Construct motivations and mental states for each case for his total reactions (eod2 vote/demurral about being cop/lack of scan results at eon). When doing the third one, remember there's a scumchat thread to help him.

[BunnyGo]

I'm not even being performative ( Flum) here, go back and check, he literally voted for brainbomb at xx:59 to make it 7 ghug 7 Bona. If Vecna hadn't rolled in and voted ghug right before deadline, who knows where we are.

We all collectively assumed this was Brian being the Cop and kneejerk reacting to the claim by voting for brainbomb. But he didn't play ball by giving any scans and he somehow didn't even get shot at let alone die for 2 turns when the mafia really should have been trying to kill the Cop at all costs. So now we wanna know what's up.

Tbh this is a reason why scum wouldn’t shoot him. (So they could make this argument) but also it only works because he didn’t give scans.

They'd have to know he's not Cop. And based on how EOD2 went, I'm not sure how they could have a surefire read he wasn't Cop, unless he was Goon.

But we'll let him give his side of things before we sheep Bunny's guilty on Fluminator.

Don't put words in my mouth and don't sheep me. I want a natural day. I ain't saying my hyposcan unless needed to help the day.

[President Eden]

I'm not even being performative ( Flum) here, go back and check, he literally voted for brainbomb at xx:59 to make it 7 ghug 7 Bona. If Vecna hadn't rolled in and voted ghug right before deadline, who knows where we are.

We all collectively assumed this was Brian being the Cop and kneejerk reacting to the claim by voting for brainbomb. But he didn't play ball by giving any scans and he somehow didn't even get shot at let alone die for 2 turns when the mafia really should have been trying to kill the Cop at all costs. So now we wanna know what's up.

Tbh this is a reason why scum wouldn’t shoot him. (So they could make this argument) but also it only works because he didn’t give scans.

Here's an interesting question. There are three cases:

1) He's the cop.
2) He's a non-cop town.
3) He's a goon.

Construct motivations and mental states for each case for his total reactions (eod2 vote/demurral about being cop/lack of scan results at eon). When doing the third one, remember there's a scumchat thread to help him.

1)
He kneejerk reacted to a hard claim that he knew was fake. He didn't realize he tied the wagons with under 60 seconds to play or just didn't care because he knew he was voting mafia 100%.
He doesn't realize or doesn't want to acknowledge that doing so completely blew his cover and is playing coy with an open secret; or else he doesn't like us bossing him around.

2)
He's a madman who called bullshit on a hard claim Cop with no special info to tip his hand, and either didn't realize he tied the wagons or didn't care.
He isn't the Cop so he doesn't want to lie about being the Cop. He likely didn't mean to imply that he is Cop.
He didn't appreciate the importance of playing ball with fake scans, or didn't want to be bossed around into doing it.

3)
He either wanted to tie the wagons and didn't care how it made him look, or he didn't realize the brainbomb wagon dissipated after the fake claim, didn't want to kill the Roleblocker, and felt he couldn't justify voting Bona, so he went off-wagon and hoped for the best.
He didn't intend to imply he was Cop, and even with mafia potentially helping him sculpt the game state to his liking, it's really dicey to walk the tightrope of being a mafia who accidentally implied he's Cop -- he can't really walk it back because of how bad the vote looks, but he can't be nightkilled, and there's a real Cop out there who will eventually blow up his spot.
He doesn't know how he wants this to proceed, and doesn't want to give scans that will backfire.

1 > 3 >>>>>>> 2 in order of likelihood just from his own reactions IMO.

But the game state really doesn't make sense for him to be Cop.

[President Eden]

Tbh this is a reason why scum wouldn’t shoot him. (So they could make this argument) but also it only works because he didn’t give scans.

They'd have to know he's not Cop. And based on how EOD2 went, I'm not sure how they could have a surefire read he wasn't Cop, unless he was Goon.

But we'll let him give his side of things before we sheep Bunny's guilty on Fluminator.

Don't put words in my mouth and don't sheep me. I want a natural day. I ain't saying my hyposcan unless needed to help the day.

I was just...................................... being performative

[bozotheclown]

I am not sure what to make of Hamilton. One thing I noticed is that the bot does not properly indicate his D2 EOD votes, because he made 2 votes that had incorrect form.

Hamilton voted for worcej 14 minutes before EOD, when worcej had no votes:

##Vote Worcej

Of the top 4 wagons, they're probably the closest to my scum tier. Those 4 can't garner much right now. That's my work for the next Day, if I get through.

Hamilton then voted for Donny 6 minutes before EOD (not picked up by the bot), when Donny had no votes:

Aaro, ready to go?

#Vote Donny

Hamilton voted to put ghug up 6-5 4 minutes before EOD:

##Vote Ghug

Shit... not feeling Bona. NOt feeling ghug either.

Next, Hamilton tried to unvote 2 minutes before EOD, which would have tied the vote:

## Unvote

Finally, Hamilton voted for brainbomb in the last minute, which did tie the vote:

##Vote Brain

The failed attempt to unvote is interesting, because it would not seem to be related to brainbomb's cop claim.

[President Eden]

Wow, great catches bozo. I missed several of those votes in the hubbub about brainbomb's claim. Good shit.

My first reaction to that is that the ghug -> unvote -> brainbomb sequence was definitely meant to tie the wagons. At least if you go off-wagon you have the thin veneer of claiming that you were voting your actual mafia read.

Hamilton Brian: Please explain the voting history bozo pulled up.

[Donny Dude]

One thought,
I don't think scum bozo outs his teammate hb with that post. Although he could be looking for towncred, it does not seem like it. So my conclusion based off that is bozo and hb are not on the scum team together. Though that is just my first reaction to it.

[bozotheclown]

Of the other players who ended D2 on one vote wagons, celaph was not online, and I think his D1 vote makes him likely town.

emc often votes off the wagons as town, but he was online at D2 EOD and his inaction does not look good with ghug as scum. I thought emc seemed town D1, but his vote moves at EOD make his D2 EOD look more suspicious. emc cited the bot problem as his reason not to vote, which is reasonable. However, emc posted this 70 seconds before EOD, which would indicate he knew where the voting stood:

Imma stick on Jamie unless there's a tie.

There's a massive pile-up around 5 votes each right now you goober

We have plenty of time, it's not a tie unless it's tied at :59:30

All things considered, though, I think emc making the tie breaking vote D1 probably means he is town.

Looking at Donny's D2 voting, he voted for 3 different wagons during D3, but at EOD moved his vote back to me when I no longer had any votes and shortly after ghug had become the lead wagon. From that point on, ghug was either the lead wagon or within one vote of Bonatogether. I think Donny may have been waiting for a good place to put his vote and got caught off the wagons when it quickly became ghug v. Bonatogether, not wanting to vote for ghug or look like he was trying to save ghug.

[bozotheclown]

One thought,
I don't think scum bozo outs his teammate hb with that post. Although he could be looking for towncred, it does not seem like it. So my conclusion based off that is bozo and hb are not on the scum team together. Though that is just my first reaction to it.

Sorry to have cross posted this with speculation that you may be scum, but considering that, I could not help but wonder if you could be pocketing me.

[Fluminator]

Good lord what happened to Eden, he's become a Flum-type.

LMAO

[Donny Dude]

One thought,
I don't think scum bozo outs his teammate hb with that post. Although he could be looking for towncred, it does not seem like it. So my conclusion based off that is bozo and hb are not on the scum team together. Though that is just my first reaction to it.

Sorry to have cross posted this with speculation that you may be scum, but considering that, I could not help but wonder if you could be pocketing me.

Why are you apologizing bozo, that is just weird.
I have a question for you to consider Bozo.
I know you think I got caught on wagons, but do you think scum Donny let ghug or any of his scummates die just that easily? I think I proved scum me in m60 was perfectly willing to protect his scummates including summit even if it meant taking on pressure. Bozo if you recall I believe you recruited me then because I had avoided voting for you guys at all and only hopped on summit when I had to.

[Fluminator]

Hmmm, there is definitely less town substance to EMC's posting than I'm used to. Maybe Chaqa is right.

[Fluminator]

Chaqa, do you find you usually townread EMC pretty successfully?

[Chaqa]

Hmmm, there is definitely less town substance to EMC's posting than I'm used to. Maybe Chaqa is right.

I’m 2/2 so far this game

[Chaqa]

Chaqa, do you find you usually townread EMC pretty successfully?

I don’t think I’ve ever misread EMC. Good example is the Neighborhood game

[Fluminator]

Just tried making a tier list, and realised most of playerbase got shucked under "probably town but wifom", which really meant nothing at all so will consolidate in by-person posts instead. Doubt I'll get to everyone but might as well start somewhere, eh?

Ok in hindsight, this post isn't as townie as I remember. This is a pretty easy post to make as scum.

[Chaqa]

I can’t even pin it down. I just know he’s scum.

He really tipped me off when he followed my fake Eden wagon