MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[Hellenic Riot]

There's absolutely no benefit in a cop that isn't HB outing tonight. If HB isn't the cop then it's his job to eat the bullet to save the cop. We don't *want* uncertainty in that scenario. Period.

[President Eden]

There's absolutely no benefit in a cop that isn't HB outing tonight. If HB isn't the cop then it's his job to eat the bullet to save the cop. We don't *want* uncertainty in that scenario. Period.

Correct

[aarodactyl]

There's absolutely no benefit in a cop that isn't HB outing tonight. If HB isn't the cop then it's his job to eat the bullet to save the cop. We don't *want* uncertainty in that scenario. Period.

Correct

Eh. I see what you're saying, but I don't agree. However, I don't think either of us are going to convince each other.

[worcej]

The more I type in response to bozo the more I feel like I'm just yelling at him for being wrong rather than actually sorting his alignment.

It would be helpful for someone with more experience with bozo to help me figure him out.

It fundamentally makes no sense to me that his proposed mafia team could be dominating the conversation so much--the four most active posters in his team constitute 4 of the top 6 posters, and combine for over 1/3 of the game's posts and words--and have nothing to show for it but busing so heinously badly that they not only lose their Roleblocker, but do it in a way that forces them to sacrifice their Godfather immediately afterward. Why the fucking Godfather of all mafia players, seriously?

If me, BunnyGo, and worcej are the other three then that's got to be the worst performance in webDip mafia history. There's no excuse for EOD2 to go that badly with the degree of control over the conversation we would have had.

But at the same time, ask me why this makes him mafia and not just wrong, and I have no real answer. "Your understanding of the game doesn't make sense so you're mafia" is sometimes fine but often not.

The problem with Bozo is that having a discussion with him is like trying to have a friendly chat with a 1960s mainframe computer. You get a lot of rumbles and whirrs and beeps and there's clearly a great deal of internal logic at work somewhere, but it's not an entirely satisfying experience.

**hears the dialup internet sound in his head**

[BunnyGo]

It’s also a way for bunny to play without having to read any of the thread

What an insightful remark.

This guy's good.

I had a teacher once tell me that all good mathematicians are greedy, sneaky, and lazy.

Funny. That’s what I was told about good programmers. I do aspire to be all of those things. Except greedy. That’s no good.

[BunnyGo]

While I tend to agree, worcej’s post has activated my almonds and I’m not sure what to make of it.

He knows we have a Cop who has a totally free hand to resolve his alignment. Wouldn’t your first reaction be “scan me” instead of “flip me” there if you’re town? Especially at night, when you have time to persuade the Cop to do it? L
It sucks that the Cop has to spend a valuable and limited resource (scans) to resolve you, but it sucks WAY less than having town miskill you.

It’s obvious why you’d take this line as mafia—a Cop scan 100% kills you, but offering to be flipped looks pro-town and not like a mafia move, so maybe Cop doesn’t scan you and town relents.

I’m not really sure what to make of it. I’m sure there is some part of the puzzle that I’m missing

I don't want the cop to have to out themselves (I am not sold it's HB) too early and if people still don't think I am town at this point, then what am I supposed to do?

This makes sense to me. However, I think it makes sense for the cop to reveal even if it's not HB. If scum are also not sure it's HB, there's a chance they'll hit the real cop instead of flipping HB. (Also if HB's not cop, it's possible they're scum).

Hence my “hypothetical” scan claims later.

[aarodactyl]

What an insightful remark.

This guy's good.

I had a teacher once tell me that all good mathematicians are greedy, sneaky, and lazy.

Funny. That’s what I was told about good programmers. I do aspire to be all of those things. Except greedy. That’s no good.

The reason you want to be greedy in math is for the situation where proving a more general result is better (and easier) than proving just your case.

[worcej]

If there are multiple cop reports and none of the reporters are NKd what then?

D4 gets really interesting...

[BunnyGo]

I had a teacher once tell me that all good mathematicians are greedy, sneaky, and lazy.

Funny. That’s what I was told about good programmers. I do aspire to be all of those things. Except greedy. That’s no good.

The reason you want to be greedy in math is for the situation where proving a more general result is better (and easier) than proving just your case.

Ah. Was this Elkies? Sounds like him.

[aarodactyl]

Funny. That’s what I was told about good programmers. I do aspire to be all of those things. Except greedy. That’s no good.

The reason you want to be greedy in math is for the situation where proving a more general result is better (and easier) than proving just your case.

Ah. Was this Elkies? Sounds like him.

It was at the math program I did in high school.

[worcej]

Mostly I've just been refreshing the page to see if you got tired of me appearing to be here. I've read most of the thread since I last posted. But not much before that.

You're normally a lot more invested in the game than this.
But it must be exhausting spending 50 hours a day putting your children to bed.

I'm trying out some new town/solving techniques (since while I normally post a lot, I don't have as much success as town). So far it's been working. But it's a long game. Stage 1 and 2 have been successfully completed though. I'm working on stage 3 now...that's the longest phase. Stage 4 is the hardest and most crucial.

But I've also been busy with life. And how were you all not glued to the news yesterday? My wife and I used to both work there and couldn't tear ourselves away.

Does each stage have a spreadsheet for them?

[bozotheclown]

The more I type in response to bozo the more I feel like I'm just yelling at him for being wrong rather than actually sorting his alignment.

It would be helpful for someone with more experience with bozo to help me figure him out.

It fundamentally makes no sense to me that his proposed mafia team could be dominating the conversation so much--the four most active posters in his team constitute 4 of the top 6 posters, and combine for over 1/3 of the game's posts and words--and have nothing to show for it but busing so heinously badly that they not only lose their Roleblocker, but do it in a way that forces them to sacrifice their Godfather immediately afterward. Why the fucking Godfather of all mafia players, seriously?

If me, BunnyGo, and worcej are the other three then that's got to be the worst performance in webDip mafia history. There's no excuse for EOD2 to go that badly with the degree of control over the conversation we would have had.



But at the same time, ask me why this makes him mafia and not just wrong, and I have no real answer. "Your understanding of the game doesn't make sense so you're mafia" is sometimes fine but often not.

I don't buy the high poster argument, if that were true ghug and brainbomb should have been able to survive no matter who their partners were. ghug might have survived D2 if brainbomb had not bussed ghug, and brainbomb would not have been a wagon if ghug had not bussed brainbomb, so their bussing basically led to them killing each other.

[Donny Dude]

The more I type in response to bozo the more I feel like I'm just yelling at him for being wrong rather than actually sorting his alignment.

It would be helpful for someone with more experience with bozo to help me figure him out.

It fundamentally makes no sense to me that his proposed mafia team could be dominating the conversation so much--the four most active posters in his team constitute 4 of the top 6 posters, and combine for over 1/3 of the game's posts and words--and have nothing to show for it but busing so heinously badly that they not only lose their Roleblocker, but do it in a way that forces them to sacrifice their Godfather immediately afterward. Why the fucking Godfather of all mafia players, seriously?

If me, BunnyGo, and worcej are the other three then that's got to be the worst performance in webDip mafia history. There's no excuse for EOD2 to go that badly with the degree of control over the conversation we would have had.



But at the same time, ask me why this makes him mafia and not just wrong, and I have no real answer. "Your understanding of the game doesn't make sense so you're mafia" is sometimes fine but often not.

I don't buy the high poster argument, if that were true ghug and brainbomb should have been able to survive no matter who their partners were. ghug might have survived D2 if brainbomb had not bussed ghug, and brainbomb would not have been a wagon if ghug had not bussed brainbomb, so their bussing basically led to them killing each other.

Is that not exactly what you proposed Bozo?

[Chaqa]

I mean, HB hasn't ever actually claimed to be the cop, so this is probably a good scenario regardless.

[bozotheclown]

You apparently think I would

All the scum except perhaps BunnyGo were bussing brainbomb.

Considering how the votes went, why even bother saying this...

If you addressing this to me, that was the point I was making about Bonatogether and PE implying they would not bus brainbomb if they were scum.

[bozotheclown]

The more I type in response to bozo the more I feel like I'm just yelling at him for being wrong rather than actually sorting his alignment.

It would be helpful for someone with more experience with bozo to help me figure him out.

It fundamentally makes no sense to me that his proposed mafia team could be dominating the conversation so much--the four most active posters in his team constitute 4 of the top 6 posters, and combine for over 1/3 of the game's posts and words--and have nothing to show for it but busing so heinously badly that they not only lose their Roleblocker, but do it in a way that forces them to sacrifice their Godfather immediately afterward. Why the fucking Godfather of all mafia players, seriously?

If me, BunnyGo, and worcej are the other three then that's got to be the worst performance in webDip mafia history. There's no excuse for EOD2 to go that badly with the degree of control over the conversation we would have had.



But at the same time, ask me why this makes him mafia and not just wrong, and I have no real answer. "Your understanding of the game doesn't make sense so you're mafia" is sometimes fine but often not.

I don't buy the high poster argument, if that were true ghug and brainbomb should have been able to survive no matter who their partners were. ghug might have survived D2 if brainbomb had not bussed ghug, and brainbomb would not have been a wagon if ghug had not bussed brainbomb, so their bussing basically led to them killing each other.

Is that not exactly what you proposed Bozo?

I meant I did not buy PE's argument that it impossible for all of the scum to be high posters.

[President Eden]

The more I type in response to bozo the more I feel like I'm just yelling at him for being wrong rather than actually sorting his alignment.

It would be helpful for someone with more experience with bozo to help me figure him out.

It fundamentally makes no sense to me that his proposed mafia team could be dominating the conversation so much--the four most active posters in his team constitute 4 of the top 6 posters, and combine for over 1/3 of the game's posts and words--and have nothing to show for it but busing so heinously badly that they not only lose their Roleblocker, but do it in a way that forces them to sacrifice their Godfather immediately afterward. Why the fucking Godfather of all mafia players, seriously?

If me, BunnyGo, and worcej are the other three then that's got to be the worst performance in webDip mafia history. There's no excuse for EOD2 to go that badly with the degree of control over the conversation we would have had.



But at the same time, ask me why this makes him mafia and not just wrong, and I have no real answer. "Your understanding of the game doesn't make sense so you're mafia" is sometimes fine but often not.

I don't buy the high poster argument, if that were true ghug and brainbomb should have been able to survive no matter who their partners were. ghug might have survived D2 if brainbomb had not bussed ghug, and brainbomb would not have been a wagon if ghug had not bussed brainbomb, so their bussing basically led to them killing each other.

If they're the only two high posters then sure they could get derailed by high posting town. Two extra high posting voices (which under your theory is myself and BG) counts for a lot.

You still have no explanation for why I would force the Godfather to concede just to fail to save the Roleblocker. Even if I ultimately ended up on the wrong wagon due to a bad read, there's no way mafia does that. Y'all have clearly been mindfucked by mafia doing stupid shit because that makes no sense at all.

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't buy the high poster argument, if that were true ghug and brainbomb should have been able to survive no matter who their partners were. ghug might have survived D2 if brainbomb had not bussed ghug, and brainbomb would not have been a wagon if ghug had not bussed brainbomb, so their bussing basically led to them killing each other.

This.

Why is Bozo making more and more sense to me as time goes on?

Do I need therapy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE

[President Eden]

bozo get some nuance dude. I didn't say it was impossible. I said it was unlikely, and would be a colossal failure by mafia if it happened, and that the far more likely scenario is that you're wrong about at least me and maybe BG and/or worcej as well.

[damo666]

There's absolutely no benefit in a cop that isn't HB outing tonight. If HB isn't the cop then it's his job to eat the bullet to save the cop. We don't *want* uncertainty in that scenario. Period.

Scum may not kill HB.

HB may not be cop.

Scum may kill cop.

If cop hasn't given us any info that's of great benefit. To scum.