MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

The more I type in response to bozo the more I feel like I'm just yelling at him for being wrong rather than actually sorting his alignment.

It would be helpful for someone with more experience with bozo to help me figure him out.

It fundamentally makes no sense to me that his proposed mafia team could be dominating the conversation so much--the four most active posters in his team constitute 4 of the top 6 posters, and combine for over 1/3 of the game's posts and words--and have nothing to show for it but busing so heinously badly that they not only lose their Roleblocker, but do it in a way that forces them to sacrifice their Godfather immediately afterward. Why the fucking Godfather of all mafia players, seriously?

If me, BunnyGo, and worcej are the other three then that's got to be the worst performance in webDip mafia history. There's no excuse for EOD2 to go that badly with the degree of control over the conversation we would have had.



But at the same time, ask me why this makes him mafia and not just wrong, and I have no real answer. "Your understanding of the game doesn't make sense so you're mafia" is sometimes fine but often not.

[Hellenic Riot]

The more I type in response to bozo the more I feel like I'm just yelling at him for being wrong rather than actually sorting his alignment.

It would be helpful for someone with more experience with bozo to help me figure him out.

It fundamentally makes no sense to me that his proposed mafia team could be dominating the conversation so much--the four most active posters in his team constitute 4 of the top 6 posters, and combine for over 1/3 of the game's posts and words--and have nothing to show for it but busing so heinously badly that they not only lose their Roleblocker, but do it in a way that forces them to sacrifice their Godfather immediately afterward. Why the fucking Godfather of all mafia players, seriously?

If me, BunnyGo, and worcej are the other three then that's got to be the worst performance in webDip mafia history. There's no excuse for EOD2 to go that badly with the degree of control over the conversation we would have had.



But at the same time, ask me why this makes him mafia and not just wrong, and I have no real answer. "Your understanding of the game doesn't make sense so you're mafia" is sometimes fine but often not.

You vastly overestimate how good at mafia frequent posters actually are

Personally I'm not sure scum!Bozo would, at this stage, be throwing so much shade at everyone on the ghug/brain wagons. Seems to me like he'd try and get a couple of townies who'd been on Bona killed first, so I'm somewhat townreading him for his current line of thought. We'll see where it ends up going though.

[Fluminator]

Also fwiw, I'm pretty sure EMC is town.

Pretty sure with...?

He's had townie vibes all game. Also Vecna townread EMC. Trust his townreads.

[Fluminator]

I think Imma chill until we get copscans.

I would be scanning Hellenic Riot or worcej to get some certainty on day 1.

PE are you scum?

[Fluminator]

Someone wanna explain the BunnyGo / Fluminator thing to me? I don't get it.

I assumed Bunny was doing a bluff hoping I was scum to draw a nightkill.

What, to anger you into Nightkilling in an enormous fit of OMGUS?

Well if I was scum, I'd probably be worried he was a real cop with a guilty on me with the way he did that.

[Chaqa]

Oh hey guys I got distracted by puppy.

I’m pretty sure EMC actually is scum.

[Chaqa]

I think Imma chill until we get copscans.

I would be scanning Hellenic Riot or worcej to get some certainty on day 1.

PE are you scum?

Nah he’s towncore. He had me pegged that I was memeing on him day 1 lol

[Fluminator]

You know we can just scan you with the Cop yeah? I’ve been calling for that for a hot minute for a reason. We get certainty about day 1.

Discussion is pointless until both the copscan revelations and the NK.

While I tend to agree, worcej’s post has activated my almonds and I’m not sure what to make of it.

He knows we have a Cop who has a totally free hand to resolve his alignment. Wouldn’t your first reaction be “scan me” instead of “flip me” there if you’re town? Especially at night, when you have time to persuade the Cop to do it? L
It sucks that the Cop has to spend a valuable and limited resource (scans) to resolve you, but it sucks WAY less than having town miskill you.

It’s obvious why you’d take this line as mafia—a Cop scan 100% kills you, but offering to be flipped looks pro-town and not like a mafia move, so maybe Cop doesn’t scan you and town relents.

I’m not really sure what to make of it. I’m sure there is some part of the puzzle that I’m missing

Offering to be cop scanned isn't really any more protown either since it's still better for the cop to scan mafia over a miskill target. It's not much different from a miskill in terms of using up a town shot. The only difference is one they leave the game, the other they become a clear.

I can't speak for worcej but for me I think it's probably better I get miskilled than copscanned because I won't be the most useful clear and it would probably be better on someone more engaged.
That said, there's a pretty good chance I will be a clear at the end of tonight haha. Especially if the cop interprets this as like a bluff to avoid being copscanned lol.

[Fluminator]

Oh hey guys I got distracted by puppy.

I’m pretty sure EMC actually is scum.

Really? is it vibe based or mechanical based?

[Jamiet99uk]

Wait you guys actually think the Doctor saved Hamilton Brian last night?

The Doctor didn't save anyone. Vecna died and there isn't a Strongman.

[Jamiet99uk]

OK so cop not going to disclose until close to EON.

What should we talk about?

We should figure out if there's any compelling reason not to shoot emc and Fluminator next.

I'll get to it soon. In my defense I'm in this massive 100 player circle game which is basically survivor on steroids where we kill someone every day. I'm currently in the top 85 and this game is insane and the people in it are insane.

That sounds insane. You're insane.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think you are both looking in the wrong place. brainbomb and ghug ending on Bonatogether at EOD after voting for each other probably means there were no scum already voting for Bonatogether. They likely were either already bussing ghug, or got stuck off the wagons, not wanting to vote for ghug but not wanting to look like they were saving him.

I can totally see a scenario where one or more scum got stuck on the Ghug wagon, for sure. All of this is plausible to me, Bozo.

[Jamiet99uk]

If we were all going to end up on Bonatogether anyway, what's the point of getting brainbomb to out himself as mafia along the way?

I assume that was not part of the plan whoever is scum. Why didn't ghug and brainbomb just vote for Bonatogether and not put brainbomb at risk?

I would love to see the God QT discussion between Ghug and Brainbomb over all this, lololol.

[damo666]

I think you are both looking in the wrong place. brainbomb and ghug ending on Bonatogether at EOD after voting for each other probably means there were no scum already voting for Bonatogether. They likely were either already bussing ghug, or got stuck off the wagons, not wanting to vote for ghug but not wanting to look like they were saving him.

I can totally see a scenario where one or more scum got stuck on the Ghug wagon, for sure. All of this is plausible to me, Bozo.

From which group would you like to see tomorrow's flip?

ghug voters
Bona voters
Off wagon voters

[Jamiet99uk]

The more I type in response to bozo the more I feel like I'm just yelling at him for being wrong rather than actually sorting his alignment.

It would be helpful for someone with more experience with bozo to help me figure him out.

It fundamentally makes no sense to me that his proposed mafia team could be dominating the conversation so much--the four most active posters in his team constitute 4 of the top 6 posters, and combine for over 1/3 of the game's posts and words--and have nothing to show for it but busing so heinously badly that they not only lose their Roleblocker, but do it in a way that forces them to sacrifice their Godfather immediately afterward. Why the fucking Godfather of all mafia players, seriously?

If me, BunnyGo, and worcej are the other three then that's got to be the worst performance in webDip mafia history. There's no excuse for EOD2 to go that badly with the degree of control over the conversation we would have had.

But at the same time, ask me why this makes him mafia and not just wrong, and I have no real answer. "Your understanding of the game doesn't make sense so you're mafia" is sometimes fine but often not.

The problem with Bozo is that having a discussion with him is like trying to have a friendly chat with a 1960s mainframe computer. You get a lot of rumbles and whirrs and beeps and there's clearly a great deal of internal logic at work somewhere, but it's not an entirely satisfying experience.

I'm afraid to say that Bozo is like this as any alignment.

Imagine what it would be like living with Bozo...

SCENE: A domestic living room. You and Bozo are seated in comfortable armchairs.

You: "I think we should have a nice cup of tea. Can you boil the kettle please, Bozo?"

Bozo: "NO"

You: "Oh, why? Don't you want a cup of tea?"

Bozo: "Vapourising the stainless steel kettle, via an intervening liquid state, would involve attaining a temperature inexcess of 12,000 degrees Kelvin. This would not be possible in the domestic environs in which we are currently located, using any of the equipment at our disposal."

You: "Ah, yes, but what I mean is... erm.... Bozo, please would you put an appropriate quantity of water into the kettle, and then, erm, place it on the stove, centred above one of the gas burners... oh yes, and don't forget to turn the gas on. Ok?"

Bozo: "YES. I WILL DO THIS."

**Time Passes**

You: "Hmmm.... <sniff>.... Can you smell gas, Bozo?"

Bozo: "Indeed I am capable of olfactory detection of sundry miscellaneous gasses."

You: "No, I mean, can you smell gas, really?"

Bozo: "Indeed I am capable of olfactory detection of sundry miscellaneous gasses."

**You go into the kitchen**

You: "Aha, Bozo, look, you forgot to light the gas on the stove."

Bozo: "Lighting the gas was not a requirement of your original instructions."

You: "Argh, never mind, I've lit it now. We'll have a cup of tea ready in a few minutes. Now, can I offer you a biscuit, Bozo?"

Bozo: "YES".

**You offer Bozo the plate of biscuits. He does not move.**

You: "Well, go on, take a biscuit."

Bozo: "I do not want one. You asked if you could offer me a biscuit. There was no pre-requisition of acquiesence conditional upon said offer."

You: "AARRRRGGGGGGGHHH"

[Jamiet99uk]

I think you are both looking in the wrong place. brainbomb and ghug ending on Bonatogether at EOD after voting for each other probably means there were no scum already voting for Bonatogether. They likely were either already bussing ghug, or got stuck off the wagons, not wanting to vote for ghug but not wanting to look like they were saving him.

I can totally see a scenario where one or more scum got stuck on the Ghug wagon, for sure. All of this is plausible to me, Bozo.

From which group would you like to see tomorrow's flip?

ghug voters
Bona voters
Off wagon voters

The only off-wagon voter I seriously suspect is EMC, although I guess Donny is a null to be honest.

I don't know if we should arbitrarily declare, here and now "oh we should vote for ONLY Ghug voters, or ONLY Bona voters". I have suspicions about people on both wagons, and I townread people on both of them as well.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Damo: I guess on reflection, if you pressed me to choose, I would say the Ghug wagon, because it provides a narrower pool, plus, I know my alignment, and we know Vecna's alignment.

[damo666]

@Damo: I guess on reflection, if you pressed me to choose, I would say the Ghug wagon, because it provides a narrower pool, plus, I know my alignment, and we know Vecna's alignment.

Realistically the only possible bussers are you, worcej and Chaqa and I townread all 3.

[Bonatogether]

I think Imma chill until we get copscans.

I would be scanning Hellenic Riot or worcej to get some certainty on day 1.

PE are you scum?

Nah he’s towncore. He had me pegged that I was memeing on him day 1 lol

no

[Jamiet99uk]

@Damo: I guess on reflection, if you pressed me to choose, I would say the Ghug wagon, because it provides a narrower pool, plus, I know my alignment, and we know Vecna's alignment.

Realistically the only possible bussers are you, worcej and Chaqa and I townread all 3.

That leaves..... BunnyGo?
He's still a scumlean for me.
Shall we daykill BunnyGo tomorrow?