MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

Yes, and your lack of reads in other directions make me feel that you are scum using a tunnel to avoid suspicion and not have to scumhunt.
Bozo you have continued to tunnel nd without I feel taking what worcej has said into account at all.
You seem unable to evelve or look at anything else so your lack of movement is just scummy to me. In fact your original stated reason nd was

I am trying to get caught up, but I am OK with voting out ND if he is going to end up getting subbed.

##VOTE ND

I have taken into account what worcej has said, and I found it suspicious how his top priority after entering the game seemed to be to discredit ND voters. Even today worcej seems to only be scum reading those who have voted for him while town reading a number of others, which could be him trying to pocket them.

Okay, first of all - who says you know what my priorities should be?
Why would I not immediately look at the position my slot was in, only to see that he was the runner up wagon with 4 total posts. That's the first thing any sub should do - figure out what the person you replaced did and why they did it.

Second - that isn't entirely accurate. I have been suspicious of several people and have put questions at them before they may have voted for me.

Third - I don't pocket. I am almost always day-killed and scum account for that in almost all of my town games.

I found the way you were going about discrediting ND voters suspicious. For example, in this response to celaph, you seemed to be implying his vote might be scum indicative:

Looks like I have small shoes to fill.

Was the wagon on my former self justified in any way?

Speaking for myself, I had no reason to townread ND and last game didn't give me confidence that town ND is good to have around. Of the wagons, I think he was the best kill.

Am I correct in reading this that you used only out of *this* game reasons to vote him?

Getting DKed as town does not indicate you would not try to pocket players as scum.

[brainbomb]

the bona wagon seems like a late save on ghug

[Jamiet99uk]

the bona wagon seems like a late save on ghug

There are 2.3 hours remaining.

If you want Ghug to be hanged I suggest you try voting for him.

[Donny Dude]

these need to be discussed more

these reads? What about them?

I think we should discuss donny and hb, ESPECIALLY HB WHO IS SELF VOTING BECAUSE HE WASNT EMULATING HIS TOWN GAME WELL ENOUGH

it concerns me on a reread that in his big reads list he tried not to figure out if my slot was town but rather pr or scum,
Saying it is an erractic vote does not explain why it is on himself. Maybe it is projection? Does hb have scum expierence?

[worcej]

@all, especially rdr - part of the reason you're not seeing 'good arguments' from me is because how do you rebut meta analysis and someone thinking that 'if a sub is called on D1 the slot is most likely scum'

So I'll just make these points again in regards to my flip:

1. Recency bias is the driving force for the ND slot flip. The games from 1 to 2 years ago is an excuse to justify it.
2. This is town!bozo, because only that form of him can get stuck in such a wasteful analysis.
3. You'll learn that D1 was TvT and it does nothing to reveal any information because it shouldn't clear or town any movers or people who stayed pat.

If none of this helps you try to sort my slot out, then fine. Just remember that I am telling you that you cannot imply anyone looks townie from D1 because of their vote.

[President Eden]

ESPECIALLY HB WHO IS SELF VOTING BECAUSE HE WASNT EMULATING HIS TOWN GAME WELL ENOUGH

I don't think that's what he said.

[aarodactyl]

Bozo's shown up and changed his tone a lot since I voted for him. I don't think this clears him, but it makes me not want to push his for a vote today. And there isn't any support besides Donny for it.

I also don't want Bona to get voted out today, so I'm going to jump on the ##vote EMC train (as much as I like playing with them, they are tier 4 for me).

I'll be around until EOD and I'm happy to vote for anyone in my tier 4 or 5

For reference from my long post:
Tier 1 Definitely Don’t Shoot: Jamiet99uk, President Eden
Tier 2 Don’t Shoot: Bona, Celaph, Damo666, Fluminator, Hellenic Riot
Tier 3 Probably Don’t Shoot: Donny Dude, Hamilton Brian, Worcej, Rdrivera2005
Tier 4 Could Shoot: Brainbomb, Bozo, EMC, Ghug, Chaqa
Tier 5 Shoot: BunnyGo, Vecna

To be fair, if I reanalyze everyone, this will probably shift a little, but I'm not going to do that now.

Why am I still in T5?

It's from last night.

[ghug]

Don't like these wagons

##VOTE worcej

[aarodactyl]

the bona wagon seems like a late save on ghug

in your opinion, who do you think is pushing it? I think the bona wagon is pretty bad.

[e.m.c^42]

About halfway through but I just want to say, I cannot remember any games where Jamie didn't go hard after scumreading me; except for last game where he was doing it very mildly out of obligation and scum.

His lack of doing so this game makes me raise both eyebrows.

[Jamiet99uk]

About halfway through but I just want to say, I cannot remember any games where Jamie didn't go hard after scumreading me; except for last game where he was doing it very mildly out of obligation and scum.

His lack of doing so this game makes me raise both eyebrows.

In most of the games where I went after you hard from the get-go, it was due to your inability to type the word "Vote".

[worcej]

I found the way you were going about discrediting ND voters suspicious.

Why? Other people are calling out peoples votes and that isn't being addressed by you.

Why is it suspicious for me to think that the guy that was most likely to be replaced is a bad wagon? I am not the only one to shade it, so what makes me so suspicious?

For example, in this response to celaph, you seemed to be implying his vote might be scum indicative:

No, I was trying to understand what framed his vote. You're assuming incorrect intent and framing it under a negative light.

Getting DKed as town does not indicate you would not try to pocket players as scum.

Prove to me I pocket people Bozo. Again, you're just trying to find better reasons to flip my slot because your original ones are independent of me - they are all based on ND only.

[Vecna]

Bozo's shown up and changed his tone a lot since I voted for him. I don't think this clears him, but it makes me not want to push his for a vote today. And there isn't any support besides Donny for it.

I also don't want Bona to get voted out today, so I'm going to jump on the ##vote EMC train (as much as I like playing with them, they are tier 4 for me).

I'll be around until EOD and I'm happy to vote for anyone in my tier 4 or 5

For reference from my long post:
Tier 1 Definitely Don’t Shoot: Jamiet99uk, President Eden
Tier 2 Don’t Shoot: Bona, Celaph, Damo666, Fluminator, Hellenic Riot
Tier 3 Probably Don’t Shoot: Donny Dude, Hamilton Brian, Worcej, Rdrivera2005
Tier 4 Could Shoot: Brainbomb, Bozo, EMC, Ghug, Chaqa
Tier 5 Shoot: BunnyGo, Vecna

To be fair, if I reanalyze everyone, this will probably shift a little, but I'm not going to do that now.

Why am I still in T5?

It's from last night.

And nothing has happened since then?

[BunnyGo]

I'm afraid to say that I'm confused over the flavour text, since who is Candance? Why did Margaret vanish out of nowhere?
This must be the GM trolling Bungo lmao

Bungo read the opening flavor...should have targeted you with that nonsense

[Hamilton Brian]

Does hb have scum expierence?

One ill-fated game and my first game on WebDip.

[Tom Bombadil]

Vote Count 2.2

Bonatogether: 5 (rdrivera2005, Hellenic Riot, Fluminator, damo666, Donny Dude)
e.m.c^42: 4 (Chaqa, President Eden, celaph, aarodactyl)
ghug: 3 (wocej, Jamiet99uk, e.m.c^42)
wocej: 3 (bozotheclown, Vecna, ghug)
Hamilton Brian: 2 (Hamilton Brian, brainbomb)

Unvote 1 (Bonatogether)

Bonatogether is set to be killed

BunnyGo and Bonatogether need to make valid votes

2 hours 8 minutes left in D2

[BunnyGo]

I hope Bungo appears soon. I can sense his spirit close to us, whole hair raising and eye-curling experience.

What does that even mean?

[BunnyGo]

Just got my official results that I am COVID positive, AMA.

Shit. I hope you have a speedy recovery and your family stay well.

[BunnyGo]

##vote emc

[Donny Dude]

Looking at the other people on the bona wagon does not give me the greatest of feelings.
##vote hamilton
Why did you self-vote? Other than to be erratic.