MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

Where did this random worcej wagon come from?

Why is the worcej wagon more random than the other wagons?

Because a majority of the case is meta while the others are based on content in the actual game.

[Fluminator]

Vecna, you usually obvtown in every game eventually. What's going to be your strategy for when you role scum? Would you try to mimic your towngame still?

[Hamilton Brian]

Scum
HB
ghug

Why? People keep throwing my name out without any justification. Isn’t that kind of lazy? Even if it’s a “Brian, your posts are just treading water without plunging the depths.” I don’t get it. If you’re town, try better.

[worcej]

Where did this random worcej wagon come from?

Why is the worcej wagon more random than the other wagons?

because it feels like its very prescribed. Its like we just do things out of repetition rather than intellect

Wow... this statement took me by surprise.

[bozotheclown]

I want a full reads list from you bozo, not some placationary list.

I don't do that anymore this early, first because I typically do not have any significant reads on most players this early, but also because I have found it gives scum an opportunity to selectively question reads to try to manipulate the discussion.

I think there are good reason to suspect worcej and BunnyGo, so they are the players I think are the best DKs today.

[Vecna]

Bcause I see similarities to a scum bozo not wanting to scumhunt.
Vecna, You seem more interested in finding scum than bozo is.

I dont think thatll surprise anyone, historically speaking.

It also does not seem like the type of reply I was looking for, now does it?

K, wwll vecna do you have a list?

Not yet

How about you?

Dont make me ask a 4th time now, thatd just be rude.

[aarodactyl]

Bozo's shown up and changed his tone a lot since I voted for him. I don't think this clears him, but it makes me not want to push his for a vote today. And there isn't any support besides Donny for it.

I also don't want Bona to get voted out today, so I'm going to jump on the ##vote EMC train (as much as I like playing with them, they are tier 4 for me).

I'll be around until EOD and I'm happy to vote for anyone in my tier 4 or 5

For reference from my long post:
Tier 1 Definitely Don’t Shoot: Jamiet99uk, President Eden
Tier 2 Don’t Shoot: Bona, Celaph, Damo666, Fluminator, Hellenic Riot
Tier 3 Probably Don’t Shoot: Donny Dude, Hamilton Brian, Worcej, Rdrivera2005
Tier 4 Could Shoot: Brainbomb, Bozo, EMC, Ghug, Chaqa
Tier 5 Shoot: BunnyGo, Vecna

To be fair, if I reanalyze everyone, this will probably shift a little, but I'm not going to do that now.

[brainbomb]

Scum
HB
ghug

Why? People keep throwing my name out without any justification. Isn’t that kind of lazy? Even if it’s a “Brian, your posts are just treading water without plunging the depths.” I don’t get it. If you’re town, try better.

you openly admitted in the thread to self voting for the purposes of looking pike your town meta

[Vecna]

Vecna, you usually obvtown in every game eventually. What's going to be your strategy for when you role scum? Would you try to mimic your towngame still?

Its not like im planning ahead for that occasion. Itll probably depend on my current whims when it finally happens again.

Id probably just do a funny gimmick and instruct my teammates to bus me in a convincing matter. Unless I can get away living to lylo due to the setup providing excuses for me not dying.

[worcej]

If this is true, it supports my theory that ND was deliberately subbed because it implies he requested a sub during D1, just like bo_sox in M62 and Durga in M61. The basis for this theory is that scum are more likely than town to request a sub D1 if they are not able to keep up because their low participation would have a more significant adverse effect on their team as scum than as town.

Do you realize that ND would enjoy the opportunity to play scum?

You're putting all your eggs in the basket that ND would sub out as scum, where ND would actually just lurk and stick around because he enjoys being scum.

In his last scum game, M49, he subbed out N1 as scum. In that game he was also a significant wagon D1 and just avoided the DK.

The thing you cannot seem to get is asking for a sub is NAI. Just because it's happened a lot recently does not mean it's the same every game and just because it's happened twice in recent games also does not make it likely to happen again.

[worcej]

I regard Donny as a mild townlean. Today, I like some of the questions he is asking people, and I like him pressing Bozo for reads on the basis of his observation that scum!Bozo's reads don't evolve much.

I don't know why Donny would expect my reads to change much from D1 to today, especially since I did not have any significant reads D1, unless it is because I thought ND was the best DK option D1 and I think worcej is the best DK option today.

Yes, and your lack of reads in other directions make me feel that you are scum using a tunnel to avoid suspicion and not have to scumhunt.
Bozo you have continued to tunnel nd without I feel taking what worcej has said into account at all.
You seem unable to evelve or look at anything else so your lack of movement is just scummy to me. In fact your original stated reason nd was

I am trying to get caught up, but I am OK with voting out ND if he is going to end up getting subbed.

##VOTE ND

wtf is this?

[Vecna]

Bozo's shown up and changed his tone a lot since I voted for him. I don't think this clears him, but it makes me not want to push his for a vote today. And there isn't any support besides Donny for it.

I also don't want Bona to get voted out today, so I'm going to jump on the ##vote EMC train (as much as I like playing with them, they are tier 4 for me).

I'll be around until EOD and I'm happy to vote for anyone in my tier 4 or 5

For reference from my long post:
Tier 1 Definitely Don’t Shoot: Jamiet99uk, President Eden
Tier 2 Don’t Shoot: Bona, Celaph, Damo666, Fluminator, Hellenic Riot
Tier 3 Probably Don’t Shoot: Donny Dude, Hamilton Brian, Worcej, Rdrivera2005
Tier 4 Could Shoot: Brainbomb, Bozo, EMC, Ghug, Chaqa
Tier 5 Shoot: BunnyGo, Vecna

To be fair, if I reanalyze everyone, this will probably shift a little, but I'm not going to do that now.

Why am I still in T5?

[worcej]

I want a full reads list from you bozo, not some placationary list.

You won't get one - bozo doesn't really do lists. He's the Terminator - he sets his eyes on a target and uses his computer-brain to do the rest.

[Donny Dude]

Third time is the charm, is a bozo post at the end.

[bozotheclown]

Yes, and your lack of reads in other directions make me feel that you are scum using a tunnel to avoid suspicion and not have to scumhunt.
Bozo you have continued to tunnel nd without I feel taking what worcej has said into account at all.
You seem unable to evelve or look at anything else so your lack of movement is just scummy to me. In fact your original stated reason nd was

I am trying to get caught up, but I am OK with voting out ND if he is going to end up getting subbed.

##VOTE ND

I have taken into account what worcej has said, and I found it suspicious how his top priority after entering the game seemed to be to discredit ND voters. Even today worcej seems to only be scum reading those who have voted for him while town reading a number of others, which could be him trying to pocket them.

You do realize my point is not mainly about worcej but your play in other directions.
I feel here yo are concentrating on worcej part and not the other parts. I am asking for you to expand on life.
I may be in a tunnel now.

I think worcej is the best DK today because of ND's D1, and worcej's approach to ND voters has reinforced that. Determining the alignment of ND's slot also gives us information about the D1 voting, but I would advocate eliminating someone for just that reason.

[brainbomb]

Tier 3 Probably Don’t Shoot: Donny Dude, Hamilton Brian, Worcej, Rdrivera2005

these need to be discussed more

[Donny Dude]

I want a full reads list from you bozo, not some placationary list.

You won't get one - bozo doesn't really do lists. He's the Terminator - he sets his eyes on a target and uses his computer-brain to do the rest.

I realize this and
is bozo a secret ai?
##vote bona

[Jamiet99uk]

Scum
HB
ghug

Why? People keep throwing my name out without any justification. Isn’t that kind of lazy? Even if it’s a “Brian, your posts are just treading water without plunging the depths.” I don’t get it. If you’re town, try better.

Uhhhh well Hamilton, perhaps you could explain your scumread on <checks notes> yourself?

[aarodactyl]

I don't know why Donny would expect my reads to change much from D1 to today, especially since I did not have any significant reads D1, unless it is because I thought ND was the best DK option D1 and I think worcej is the best DK option today.

Yes, and your lack of reads in other directions make me feel that you are scum using a tunnel to avoid suspicion and not have to scumhunt.
Bozo you have continued to tunnel nd without I feel taking what worcej has said into account at all.
You seem unable to evelve or look at anything else so your lack of movement is just scummy to me. In fact your original stated reason nd was

I am trying to get caught up, but I am OK with voting out ND if he is going to end up getting subbed.

##VOTE ND

wtf is this?

I was also confused. The bolded part was a bozo quote that got messed up

[President Eden]

This is super hedgey

I don't know what I think about you yet. Of course it's hedgey. I'm gonna stand by whatever final vote I make.

Famous last words buddy. Regret will always seep in (assuming youre town)

I regret the Maniac vote and did so the instant he flipped town. I regret every missed vote.
What I mean is that while I took an ambivalent position on worcej there, if I end up voting him I will own that I did it.
I don’t anticipate voting him at this point anyway—Bona is probably a better kill, emc is a better kill.