MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[Fluminator]

I had time to go check Eden's reasons for townreading you between work calls

[brainbomb]

I'm still working through the Bona/HR/rivera thing. Haven't done a full reread of what HR asked, and I'm kinda sleepy so it's going slow.
I'm seeing what HR is talking about re: Bona not addressing others scumreading him this time, though. There is a marked difference.
I haven't finished and I haven't worked through how these conclusions should change my reads, except that I feel worse about Bona and better about HR. I guess the logical continuation is to feel better about rivera too.

I'll post what I have.

Tier 1 Don't Shoot: aarodactyl, celaph, Jamiet99uk
Tier 2 Don't Shoot Yet: bozotheclown, Chaqa, Donny Dude, Fluminator, ghug
Tier 3 Could Shoot: BunnyGo, damo666, Hamilton Brian, Vecna, worcej
Tier 4 FIRE FIRE FIRE!: brainbomb, e.m.c^42
Intentionally Left Off: Bonatogether, Hellenic Riot, rdrivera2005

aarodactyl -- Earnest, solving. Loved the comment about not being as worried about getting it right this time around.

bozotheclown -- I'm not sure how to read him well, but my impression of his solving efforts today is that he's town, like in M62. I see the same emphasis on certain meta trends. I struggle to follow some of his reasoning, but I struggled with that as a GM in M62 as well.

brainbomb -- Starting to think this guy is mafia. I don't get how his view of the game is evolving. He just kind of throws shade all over the place without committing himself with a vote.

BunnyGo -- Where the hell did this guy go? I didn't perceive his return last night to be impactful. Real life is what it is, but he just doesn't seem overly concerned about figuring this out.

celaph -- Several posts are showing very detailed consideration of the thinking behind other players' posts. Examination of ghug was very insightful and nuanced.

Chaqa -- Still think he's town, but I think all the people in Tier 1 have earned their spot more. Love the pressure on emc. Don't love the apparent belief that ghug slipped.

damo666 -- Not really sure how to read this guy, he's been in the background for me.

Donny Dude -- I see in the bot that he's back even as I type this, I was about to say that he seemed to have dropped off. I like the push on bozo even if I'm tentatively putting bozo in tier 2; I like that he has an idea of how bozo is supposed to be playing as either alignment and that he's applying that idea to what he's seeing.

e.m.c^42 -- Like brainbomb, I don't really get how emc's views have been evolving. He's been on the periphery following onto fairly random wagons, and I'm not seeing those efforts coalesce into reads on people.

Fluminator -- I thought Durga was very townie. Fluminator's been not all that involved since replacing in. I'm giving the slot a pass for today based on my townread of Durga and the unexpected nature of Fluminator subbing in, but I expect more from tomorrow.

ghug -- Hated the worcej vote, but ever since we fought I've liked where he's been reads wise. I think both aaro and celaph made insightful observations about similarities between ghug's play in this game and in M62 that have sold me that he's town.

Hamilton Brian -- Another player who's mostly just been kinda here that I've had trouble getting a good bead on.

Jamiet99uk -- Probably my strongest townread at this point. I disagree with the ghug slip theory, but I think Jamie's insistence on it makes him very town.

Vecna -- Posting today seems to match his previous town games much more. I buy the idea that RL distractions kept him away. I'm told that his town and mafia games are meaningfully divergent in tone and demeanor, and he seems similar to what I saw in M62, so I suppose that means he should be townread. Still, I'm leaving him in my nulls group until I see something that I like or I start seeing townreads on him from people I trust.

worcej -- Null, but seems earnest. Not as punchy as last game, but I certainly accept his explanation for why.

when you say his analysis of ghug was nuanced what do you mean

[bozotheclown]

I regard Donny as a mild townlean. Today, I like some of the questions he is asking people, and I like him pressing Bozo for reads on the basis of his observation that scum!Bozo's reads don't evolve much.

I don't know why Donny would expect my reads to change much from D1 to today, especially since I did not have any significant reads D1, unless it is because I thought ND was the best DK option D1 and I think worcej is the best DK option today.

Yes, and your lack of reads in other directions make me feel that you are scum using a tunnel to avoid suspicion and not have to scumhunt.
Bozo you have continued to tunnel nd without I feel taking what worcej has said into account at all.
You seem unable to evelve or look at anything else so your lack of movement is just scummy to me. In fact your original stated reason nd was

I am trying to get caught up, but I am OK with voting out ND if he is going to end up getting subbed.

##VOTE ND

I have taken into account what worcej has said, and I found it suspicious how his top priority after entering the game seemed to be to discredit ND voters. Even today worcej seems to only be scum reading those who have voted for him while town reading a number of others, which could be him trying to pocket them.

[Vecna]

I don't know who to vote. I'm hoping it becomes clearer by eod.

Start by eliminating people you think are most likely to be town.

Those you have left are your "scum pool" or as Vecna would call it "juice bucket".

If your scum pool seems too large, reconsider the people on that list and look at their voting behaviour in case that helps.

Then, look at which of the people in your scum pool are the most viable wagons - because it's important to make your vote count, if you can.

Shut your juice bucket jamiet

Thats pretty much the only way id never use that term

[brainbomb]

why do I feel like youve completely ignored me vecna

[Vecna]

I want a full reads list from you bozo, not some placationary list.

Yeah donny, how about you do the very same thing for me. You seem very aggressive 100% towards Bozo and im wondering why that one person tunneling that one read has you this fired up.

Bcause I see similarities to a scum bozo not wanting to scumhunt.
Vecna, You seem more interested in finding scum than bozo is.

I dont think thatll surprise anyone, historically speaking.

It also does not seem like the type of reply I was looking for, now does it?

[bozotheclown]

Where did this random worcej wagon come from?

Why is the worcej wagon more random than the other wagons?

The Ghug wagon is not random at all, and you know that perfectly well.

I was not implying that any of the wagons are random.

[Vecna]

why do I feel like youve completely ignored me vecna

Because I have

[brainbomb]

currently rereading Aaro but Im loving it so far. I finished rereads of Jamie and bozo also. Bozo has improved alot, Jamie is too elite as scum to just forget about

[e.m.c^42]

I have pulled a bona and went on a walk. Got hit in the head with a hickory nut after getting bombed by a squirrel. Threw a stick at it but I missed and hit myself with that too.

Life of EMC is mellow, will sporadically catchup post and respond to whatever is in-thread or comes to mind. If you want me to respond or do something faster/before everything else, post it again.

[brainbomb]

why do I feel like youve completely ignored me vecna

Because I have

[Vecna]

I don't want to shoot this list today.

aarodactyl
Bonatogether
celaph
Chaqa
Donny Dude
Fluminator
ghug
Jamiet99uk

Some of these people are stronger than just "today," some are not.

I don't want to join the worcej wagon yet because I don't have a strong position on him either way, and I'd like to see if something else can happen. If it's ghug vs worcej then I think worcej is the better flip, but I honestly only have worcej at null here.

This is super hedgey

I don't know what I think about you yet. Of course it's hedgey. I'm gonna stand by whatever final vote I make.

Famous last words buddy. Regret will always seep in (assuming youre town)

[Donny Dude]

Yeah donny, how about you do the very same thing for me. You seem very aggressive 100% towards Bozo and im wondering why that one person tunneling that one read has you this fired up.

Bcause I see similarities to a scum bozo not wanting to scumhunt.
Vecna, You seem more interested in finding scum than bozo is.

I dont think thatll surprise anyone, historically speaking.

It also does not seem like the type of reply I was looking for, now does it?

K, wwll vecna do you have a list?

[bozotheclown]

Indeed on the basis of what I just said:

@BOZOTHECLOWN:

Could we have some reads from you please? Your vote has been parked on Worcej the whole day but who else do you scumread? Who do you think is town?

I will copy this in case you did not see it:

worcej is my top suspect for these reasons:

1. ND getting subbed D1 is a scum red flag for me.
2. ND's 3 posts at the beginning of D1, when he was presumably reading the game, did not call out anything game related, which is a stark contrast to the beginning of his D1 in M62, and to what I remember about ND's typical town games.
3. The similarity to what ND did in M49.
4. worcej entering the game by criticizing the ND wagon.

I am also concerned about BunnyGo, because what he did D1 asking for character names seems like something he would do to come across as town, and I can buy that he has a tendency to post less at night as scum. Not posting for the first half of D2 could have been a way to cover for his lack of N1 posts after you pointed out his lack of posting at night in M62 and M61.

Based just on D1 voting, I think emc and celaph are moat likely town. I doubt emc would move his vote around like that at EOD as scum, and I can't see celaph switching his vote from ND to Maniac at EOD as scum, regardless of ND's alignment.

Great, these are reads from an earlier post of yours from earlier in the day. Is this all you have found out about from all that has been posted.

Nothing I have read have changed my opinions in that post.

[worcej]

ghug wagon vs worcej is like Mandalorian vs Voyager

I better be Mando

[Vecna]

I'll be back in an hour or so and I'll do my best to make it back again by EoD, but I'm not sure that I can.

Overall, I'm surprised how little interest there is in a Vecna wagon. I'm glad his posts are starting to pick up, but I think there are worse wagons out there gathering more attention.

For now I'll ##vote emc because I want to hear more from him.

Maybe you should try telling people why im a good wagon

I'm not confident enough in my ability to be around at EoD to try and wrangle support at the moment. I'm also hoping that your recent activity is indicative of what is to come.

Oh yeah dont worry about that. Either ill die or you'll soon regret asking me to post more

[damo666]

## vote Bona

pigcateons

That is an invalid vote Damo.

Ta

##vote Bona

[Vecna]

I'm going to sheep HR
##Vote Bona

Im pretty sure HR would not approve of this after Bona's latest reply

[Donny Dude]

I don't know why Donny would expect my reads to change much from D1 to today, especially since I did not have any significant reads D1, unless it is because I thought ND was the best DK option D1 and I think worcej is the best DK option today.

Yes, and your lack of reads in other directions make me feel that you are scum using a tunnel to avoid suspicion and not have to scumhunt.
Bozo you have continued to tunnel nd without I feel taking what worcej has said into account at all.
You seem unable to evelve or look at anything else so your lack of movement is just scummy to me. In fact your original stated reason nd was

I am trying to get caught up, but I am OK with voting out ND if he is going to end up getting subbed.

##VOTE ND

I have taken into account what worcej has said, and I found it suspicious how his top priority after entering the game seemed to be to discredit ND voters. Even today worcej seems to only be scum reading those who have voted for him while town reading a number of others, which could be him trying to pocket them.

You do realize my point is not mainly about worcej but your play in other directions.
I feel here yo are concentrating on worcej part and not the other parts. I am asking for you to expand on life.
I may be in a tunnel now.

[Donny Dude]

Bcause I see similarities to a scum bozo not wanting to scumhunt.
Vecna, You seem more interested in finding scum than bozo is.

I dont think thatll surprise anyone, historically speaking.

It also does not seem like the type of reply I was looking for, now does it?

K, wwll vecna do you have a list?

To add on I think bozo also has some things that I can read off of him compared to vecna.