MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

Lol at HB mixing up the subs. If HB is mafia then I think Durginator and worcND are the same alignment. I don’t see how he could have mixed that up unless both are town or both are mafia.

[Donny Dude]

##unvote

What changed for you Bona to unvoting from Worcej?

[ghug]

I agree with Durga

##Vote Donny
This is his scum game. I don't know his town game tbf, but I think he's the best shot.

When have you ever even played with scum donny? When has Durga?

M60 Durga was scum with Donny

As was ghug. And ghug said the total opposite, and that this is nothing like Donny's towngame. So who knows

I have no idea what Donny's towngame looks like.

When he was scum, he did a lot of snarking, sheeped Flum to the end of the earth to troll him, and would hide behind a be dumbnoob persona to get 80% of the way to conclusions while allowing others to draw them. Here he's been legitimately insightful at times.

That could just be evolution of his play in general, but I think it's more likely he was capable before and holding back.

[worcej]

I understand the ghug and Bozo voters.

Worcej voters... why?

Still trying to make sense of it myself...

[worcej]

My current groups fwiw

Strong Town

Jamie PE
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Medium Town

Chaqa
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Weak Town

Aaro
Bozo
Donny
rdr
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???

Bona *
Brain **
Bunny **
Celaph *
EMC *
Flum
Ghug *
HB *
Vecna **
Worcej **

Willing to vote any in the ??? group but the more the asterisks the greater the willingness to vote them.

What makes each person have more asterisks than not?

This is a low effort list that is on-par for your low effort scum games.

[aarodactyl]

Like, this is probably the most simple way of connecting 2 very simple dots that could or could not be connected whatsoever. Im sort of proud that this is not a big conspiracy brain 2000 type of nonsense ive thought up for once.

Does it fit with how the stuff happened? Was drama actually brewing bigly in thread?

No - it wasn't.

There wasn't any drama. What happened was at the start of the game, Tom requested that the thread be hidden. It took the mods a few days to get around to hiding it. So at some point, the game disappeared. Durga made a post asking for it to be unhidden. Then it became a discussion about m62 and got hidden. Then it spilled over into the game and Durga bounced.

[Jamiet99uk]

This was a bit more flippant than I meant to be, particularly to one of my strongest town reads.

I moved my vote around a lot to pressure people. I've worked out that I don't want to shoot ~40% of the remaining players, and there's a lot left to work through.

How much pressure did you expect Hellenic Riot to feel under, during those six minutes of torture? Did his responses to you during that six-minute period of intense pressure persuade you to re-consider your read on him?

I have low key been suspicious of emc for not being invested in this game and was starting to wonder about Chaqa for not pressing on that. I like the emc push better for the moment.
You also seem to like the idea of pushing emc based on your comment about him being weird at EOD1 but you’re just shading me for pushing instead now, so I’m confused about what this is meant to accomplish.

I'm being entirely straightforward, I assure you. It just seemed strange to me how much you were throwing your vote all over the place. Then you said you wanted to pressure people - and the point I'm making is that putting a lone vote on someone for six minutes does not pressure them very much really does it?

That's all.

I don't object to you voting EMC at all - I just couldn't help noticing how much you were spaffing your vote all over the place, sometimes at very short intervals.

[ghug]

I think today should flip either ghug or bona, really.

I am trying to understand your reading of either one of these. Besides just calling them scum, or at least that is how you presented ghug, why are you thinking either of them?

Ghug due to the potential scumslip and his general demeanor seeming scummy to me, such as sitting on the low-info ND wagon all of Day 1.

Bona due to what someone (PE?) had said about him playing a bit different from last game, and not interacting with his scumreads. It could be nothing, though. I'm unsure at this point and likely won't have a chance to reread him before EoD.

Now you do think it's a scumslip again?

Explain in your own words how it could be a scumslip.

[ghug]

When have you ever even played with scum donny? When has Durga?

That was the one I was a losing third party and Donny buddied me successfully and thus I threw the game for him because I liked him.

Oh yeah, now I remember. He totally buddied me as well that game. (but then again, the entire scumteam did I guess, minus Bozo)

No way. I got you killed, remember?

[Jamiet99uk]

Lol at HB mixing up the subs. If HB is mafia then I think Durginator and worcND are the same alignment. I don’t see how he could have mixed that up unless both are town or both are mafia.

Is it likely that scum!HB would confuse two of his own team-mates?

[Bonatogether]

##unvote

What changed for you Bona to unvoting from Worcej?

I prefer there to be a tie heading into EoD.

[Donny Dude]

##unvote

What changed for you Bona to unvoting from Worcej?

I prefer there to be a tie heading into EoD.

What is your reason that a tie is better for eods?

[worcej]

I understand the ghug and Bozo voters.

Worcej voters... why?

a) Bozo's mad theory
b) Worcej will probably go sooner or later anyway due to the D1 vote

A is bad, already beat that to death.

B is more understandable, but you're putting value in trying to see if people tried to save a scum!ND when it won't actually clear the air any. When my slot flips, and you learn that it was TvT, you'll at least learn that the late movers are NAI because scum were not under any threat and could freely move.

[Fluminator]

PE, what's your reasoning behind your strong jamiet townread?

[Jamiet99uk]

ghug is scum for how limp [lettuced] he is towards me this game compared to last. he basically wanted to [eat cookies with] me last game. this game he wants you all to [sit me down in a comfy chair] and [sing songs to] me while he plays drums

There are good reasons for keeping this thread hidden from the front page if Brainbomb is going to be quite this graphic with his depictions of what goes on in Ghug's basement.

[Bonatogether]

What changed for you Bona to unvoting from Worcej?

I prefer there to be a tie heading into EoD.

What is your reason that a tie is better for eods?

I don't think a tie is the best result *at* EoD, but late switches to avoid a tie provide good info.

[President Eden]

How much pressure did you expect Hellenic Riot to feel under, during those six minutes of torture? Did his responses to you during that six-minute period of intense pressure persuade you to re-consider your read on him?

I have low key been suspicious of emc for not being invested in this game and was starting to wonder about Chaqa for not pressing on that. I like the emc push better for the moment.
You also seem to like the idea of pushing emc based on your comment about him being weird at EOD1 but you’re just shading me for pushing instead now, so I’m confused about what this is meant to accomplish.

I'm being entirely straightforward, I assure you. It just seemed strange to me how much you were throwing your vote all over the place. Then you said you wanted to pressure people - and the point I'm making is that putting a lone vote on someone for six minutes does not pressure them very much really does it?

That's all.

I don't object to you voting EMC at all - I just couldn't help noticing how much you were spaffing your vote all over the place, sometimes at very short intervals.

I figured me and Chaqa jumping emc would get him going more than Flum and I jumping HR would get HR going

[worcej]

Ghug and bozo have felt fine so far. I don't think they're worthy of wagons.

Worcej has felt much more diplomatic than i remember as town, but i could see a town motive for it so I'd feel kind of icky killing him for it.

I understand suspicion of Vecna but if he's claiming roleblock he can survive imo. It could be a scum gambit but as long as we have PRs we can let him scum gambit.

Don't really want to vote for any of those 4 today.

TBH - After how I damaged the community with M62, expect me to be relatively tame for awhile.

[rdrivera2005]

##VOTE bozotheclown

We'll start here. aaro earned a turn at the wheel.

bozo, who's the mafia and who's not? I can't read you well anyway so this vote might actually stick if your response isn't impressive

worcej is my top suspect for these reasons:

1. ND getting subbed D1 is a scum red flag for me.
2. ND's 3 posts at the beginning of D1, when he was presumably reading the game, did not call out anything game related, which is a stark contrast to the beginning of his D1 in M62, and to what I remember about ND's typical town games.
3. The similarity to what ND did in M49.
4. worcej entering the game by criticizing the ND wagon.

I am also concerned about BunnyGo, because what he did D1 asking for character names seems like something he would do to come across as town, and I can buy that he has a tendency to post less at night as scum. Not posting for the first half of D2 could have been a way to cover for his lack of N1 posts after you pointed out his lack of posting at night in M62 and M61.

Based just on D1 voting, I think emc and celaph are moat likely town. I doubt emc would move his vote around like that at EOD as scum, and I can't see celaph switching his vote from ND to Maniac at EOD as scum, regardless of ND's alignment.

3/4 of these reasons are based on a guy who posted 4 times on D1.

This is terrible reasoning to vote my slot on D2.

I know it's annoying to have a read over something you can't defend yourself, but this isn't a terrible reasoning. It's much better then a lot of reasoning to get wagons going, including both D1 top wagons.

This said, I personally would give you at least a day to show something to overcome this reason, but until now you didn't

[worcej]

This theory might be bogus but I think Vecna is scum.

I think the roleblocker doesn’t use their power n1. There’s such a low chance to hit town PR. And if they hit medic, there’s a good chance it won’t matter. So I think they’d not block anyone and then let one of them claim they were role blocked if they need the clear.

There is no reason not to use the RB in this setup. Scum should be using it regardless of chance because any scan/save drastically improves town's position in vanilla games.