MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[Fluminator]

Actually nm, I read his iso ##Unvote

I think we should kill HB or HR tbh

Why?

You're awkwardly talking too much about how you have notes again, when that was the reason you were townread by people last game. It feels forced.

To be brutally honest I don't really have any real reason to scumread HR. I'm kind of just trolling him.

[Bonatogether]

See, now you just sound like you're trying to replicate last game (and you aren't succeeding). You should be trying to question me down to the finest of details, not just decrying it as ludicrous . Why are you not bothered that multiple people (ghug, rdrivera) have agreed with me when I called you out for this in the first place?

And having a different thought process to last game can certainly be indicative of being scum, given you were town last game.

Idrc what you think I should be doing, I am doing what I am doing.

[damo666]

I'll compare to M62 later on today. For what it's worth I recall not really liking his celaph read, but thinking that Bona was town for it. But I'll give it another look and specifically compare it to M62 behavior.

In m62 I was a tad more active and I argued with people who scumread me more. I was vt.

Now I am less active and less argumentative. I am still vt.

Not a good post.

[Jamiet99uk]

Your vote was only on HR for six minutes. You have moved your vote 10 times today. Are you attempting to imitate Brainbomb or is there another reason you are jumping around so much?

Are you not lock clearing me for town all of a sudden or something?

This was a bit more flippant than I meant to be, particularly to one of my strongest town reads.

I moved my vote around a lot to pressure people. I've worked out that I don't want to shoot ~40% of the remaining players, and there's a lot left to work through.

How much pressure did you expect Hellenic Riot to feel under, during those six minutes of torture? Did his responses to you during that six-minute period of intense pressure persuade you to re-consider your read on him?

[Hellenic Riot]

See, now you just sound like you're trying to replicate last game (and you aren't succeeding). You should be trying to question me down to the finest of details, not just decrying it as ludicrous . Why are you not bothered that multiple people (ghug, rdrivera) have agreed with me when I called you out for this in the first place?

And having a different thought process to last game can certainly be indicative of being scum, given you were town last game.

Idrc what you think I should be doing, I am doing what I am doing.

Better.

Now, thoughts on ghug and rdrivera?

[Hamilton Brian]

You're awkwardly talking too much about how you have notes again, when that was the reason you were townread by people last game. It feels forced.

Am I?

[Jamiet99uk]

Actually nm, I read his iso ##Unvote

I think we should kill HB or HR tbh

Why?

You're awkwardly talking too much about how you have notes again, when that was the reason you were townread by people last game. It feels forced.

To be brutally honest I don't really have any real reason to scumread HR. I'm kind of just trolling him.

Hamilton, make a note of this ^

[brainbomb]

If youre an expert at tunneling does that mean your victim always succumbs regardless of alignment

[brainbomb]

I could join a wagon on celaph, vecna, or damo just to spice up mother earth. but im pretty sure this ghuggy wagon has survived the litmus test and its boss hog time

[Jamiet99uk]

If youre an expert at tunneling does that mean your victim always succumbs regardless of alignment

To whom are you addressing this semi-question, Beancomb?

[brainbomb]

ghug is scum for how limp dicked he is towards me this game compared to last. he basically wanted to fuck me last game. this game he wants you all to hog tie me and gang fuck me while he plays drums

[President Eden]

Are you not lock clearing me for town all of a sudden or something?

This was a bit more flippant than I meant to be, particularly to one of my strongest town reads.

I moved my vote around a lot to pressure people. I've worked out that I don't want to shoot ~40% of the remaining players, and there's a lot left to work through.

How much pressure did you expect Hellenic Riot to feel under, during those six minutes of torture? Did his responses to you during that six-minute period of intense pressure persuade you to re-consider your read on him?

I have low key been suspicious of emc for not being invested in this game and was starting to wonder about Chaqa for not pressing on that. I like the emc push better for the moment.
You also seem to like the idea of pushing emc based on your comment about him being weird at EOD1 but you’re just shading me for pushing instead now, so I’m confused about what this is meant to accomplish.

[President Eden]

ghug is scum for how limp dicked he is towards me this game compared to last. he basically wanted to fuck me last game. this game he wants you all to hog tie me and gang fuck me while he plays drums

Doesn’t he always prefer to watch

[brainbomb]

ghug is scum for how limp dicked he is towards me this game compared to last. he basically wanted to fuck me last game. this game he wants you all to hog tie me and gang fuck me while he plays drums

Doesn’t he always prefer to watch

He seems to just enjoy getting me off.

[worcej]

##VOTE bozotheclown

We'll start here. aaro earned a turn at the wheel.

bozo, who's the mafia and who's not? I can't read you well anyway so this vote might actually stick if your response isn't impressive

worcej is my top suspect for these reasons:

1. ND getting subbed D1 is a scum red flag for me.
2. ND's 3 posts at the beginning of D1, when he was presumably reading the game, did not call out anything game related, which is a stark contrast to the beginning of his D1 in M62, and to what I remember about ND's typical town games.
3. The similarity to what ND did in M49.
4. worcej entering the game by criticizing the ND wagon.

I am also concerned about BunnyGo, because what he did D1 asking for character names seems like something he would do to come across as town, and I can buy that he has a tendency to post less at night as scum. Not posting for the first half of D2 could have been a way to cover for his lack of N1 posts after you pointed out his lack of posting at night in M62 and M61.

Based just on D1 voting, I think emc and celaph are moat likely town. I doubt emc would move his vote around like that at EOD as scum, and I can't see celaph switching his vote from ND to Maniac at EOD as scum, regardless of ND's alignment.

3/4 of these reasons are based on a guy who posted 4 times on D1.

This is terrible reasoning to vote my slot on D2.

[brainbomb]

instead of listing off why im scum ghug panders to the flea market to please buy his dates

[ghug]

Did you read what I posted about Ghug? It's on page 121. I would be grateful if you would study it and respond. Trust the facts, not just your feelings.

I think there’s a decent case out there for voting ghug but I honestly think he didn’t scum slip. He got really into calling himself father ghug at the end of last game and his response to the flavor text felt like he was trolling bunny because bunny’s tactic was annoying.

Ghug is the kind of player who would do something like this as scum as a double-bluff troll attempt, I think. Similar to me last game claiming I had to change my kill order when I was actually scum.

I've claimed scum as town too, Chaqa. This isn't a reason to scumread me.

[worcej]

Here are ND's D1 post counts in his most recent games (I went back to include his 2 most recent known scum games):

M63 (?): 4
M62 (town): 77
M52 (town): 71
M51 (town): 20
M49 (scum): 12
M46 (3P): 35
M1007 (town): 123
M43 (town): 16
M42 (town): 59
M41 (town): 14
M1006 (town): 18
M40 (town): 57
M39 (scum): 3

I know D1 was over a holiday, but compare ND's last post to his last D1 post in his 2 most recent scum games:

M63:

I hope to be able to play some tomorrow I got alot going on tonight sry

M49:

Havent had much time this game. Hopefully will have more time later on

M39:

Honestly, I haven't had much time for this, but I am really trying to get into it today. If all the 1st week of school paperwork i have cooperates. Anyway, Tom is pretty scummy has been from the start. My wager is on him. ##VOTE TOM

You're trying to do a deep dive analysis based on two data points, 24 games apart.

Again - bad and wrong.

[ghug]

This was ghug's ironclad reasoning for voting ND that apparently never got supplanted by anything better. Reeks of lazy scum.

Yeah. I think I called that out as well in my summary post. I really didn’t like it. I still don’t really enjoy the ghug wagon though. I get the feeling that if ghug is scum it will only get more obvious as time goes on. There are other people that have had scummy games so far but have a lot of chance to overwrite it if we just tunnel on ghug all day.

Hmm. I did go back to look, and in his last two town games, ghug did only cast one or two votes on Day 1. For some reason I remember him bouncing votes like a madman, but maybe that's later game or an older meta.

I still think he is scum. And he's unlikely to ever be NK'd if there's sus on him early, so we should probably just find out now while we can afford a potential mis-DK.

It's old meta.

Chaqa succinctly summarizes why Chaqa remains a good kill.

[worcej]

##vote ND

I guess bozo is town this game?

This is the problem right here when people do bad meta analysis so far apart - people put a bunch of value in it.

M39 was started on October 6 2018 - OVER 2 YEARS AGO.