MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[Vecna]

your play feels exactly the same as last game jamiet

youre posturing

[aarodactyl]

Do you mean you think Scum actually roleblocked and killed DemonRHK so that one of their members could then claim "I was roleblocked" knowing that nobody could disprove this since the person actually roleblocked is dead?

Is that what you're suggesting?

What's for tea?

Why are you putting the logical deduction in his head? Why not let him formulate his own thoughts?

This smells like coaching because you know he's walking into a trap

Quite the opposite. He had already posted his theory. I was reading it back to try to ensure I had understood it. In fact, I had not entirely understood it since, as he went on to explain to you, he was assuming the roleblock had been withheld rather than DemonRHK being the target of it.

Of course, in a game with no Tracker or Watcher, it would always be better to roleblock the kill target if setting up a fake RB claim for towncred rather than leave the roleblock unused.

For the record, I have no opinion on whether or not Vecna might be fake-claiming the roleblock. It is something he would do as scum, as he admits himself. But I can see a scum team taking Vecna's limited D1 participation as some kind of clue that he needed to be targeted. Yet, in that case, why not kill him? I am rambling. I'll go and boil the kettle.

To be honest, my theory was withholding the RB but RB+kill is a better alternative and has the same scum motivation. I just hadn’t thought of it. It’s basically the same theory though.

[Hamilton Brian]

So imo the order of likelihood is scum, town PR, vt.

Makes sense to me, but I'm pretty linear in my thinking. So, do we strike first or let them have a couple of Days to see if they obvtown or not? Kind of amounts to a policykill, doesn't it? If they are town, it's obviously a miskill slap in our faces. If not, we kind of got lucky.

[damo666]

Can you explain your willingness to vote me and Ghug over Flum, while listing them in the same bracket?

Whats the point of listing these brackets, but then being unwilling to vote them?

Sounds like a wonderfull way to claim later on that you were suspicious of the Flum/durga slot and to set up a future bus.

You haven't read properly. I said I am willing to vote any in the ??? group. The number of asterisks indicate the strength of said willing. Of the ??? group I am most reluctant to vote Flum as he is a new entrant and I'd rather give him a chance. If he was the only viable wagon of those in the ??? group I would vote him.

At the moment the only viable wagons in the group are ghug and worcej. Since worcej is ** and ghug * I am voting worcej.

I read it perfectly fine. Why are you willing to give flum a chance, yet not me while its obviously clear that im also just now starting to participate?

Then why did you suggest I was unwilling to vote for people within the group?

You have had more of a chance to participate than Flum and the participation you have had is scummier than Flum's.

[Vecna]

Yeah you never did insinuate you thought the kill target was RB'd.

Jamiet trying to put ideas into your head, instead of asking you more details about your theory, just feels to me like he has other motivations instead of figuring out whether your reasoning is genuine.

[aarodactyl]

Yeah you never did insinuate you thought the kill target was RB'd.

Jamiet trying to put ideas into your head, instead of asking you more details about your theory, just feels to me like he has other motivations instead of figuring out whether your reasoning is genuine.

It’s possible. But also PE mentioned rb kill as well pretty recently

[Vecna]

You haven't read properly. I said I am willing to vote any in the ??? group. The number of asterisks indicate the strength of said willing. Of the ??? group I am most reluctant to vote Flum as he is a new entrant and I'd rather give him a chance. If he was the only viable wagon of those in the ??? group I would vote him.

At the moment the only viable wagons in the group are ghug and worcej. Since worcej is ** and ghug * I am voting worcej.

I read it perfectly fine. Why are you willing to give flum a chance, yet not me while its obviously clear that im also just now starting to participate?

Then why did you suggest I was unwilling to vote for people within the group?

You have had more of a chance to participate than Flum and the participation you have had is scummier than Flum's.

If theres 9 people you'd vote over him, I dont think that interpretation is very far off.

[Jamiet99uk]

your play feels exactly the same as last game jamiet

youre posturing

I am playing the same way I always play, Vecna.

[damo666]

So imo the order of likelihood is scum, town PR, vt.

Makes sense to me, but I'm pretty linear in my thinking. So, do we strike first or let them have a couple of Days to see if they obvtown or not? Kind of amounts to a policykill, doesn't it? If they are town, it's obviously a miskill slap in our faces. If not, we kind of got lucky.

Depends if there are stronger scumreads available. I for one don't have any.

[Jamiet99uk]

Yeah you never did insinuate you thought the kill target was RB'd.

Jamiet trying to put ideas into your head, instead of asking you more details about your theory, just feels to me like he has other motivations instead of figuring out whether your reasoning is genuine.

That's right. I am steadfastly determined to convince Aarodactyl that you roleblocked DemonRHK and then fake-claimed roleblock, instead of withholding the roleblock and then fake-claiming roleblock. It is absolutely vital that I convince him of the latter scenario, and not the former.

[damo666]

I read it perfectly fine. Why are you willing to give flum a chance, yet not me while its obviously clear that im also just now starting to participate?

Then why did you suggest I was unwilling to vote for people within the group?

You have had more of a chance to participate than Flum and the participation you have had is scummier than Flum's.

If theres 9 people you'd vote over him, I dont think that interpretation is very far off.

I note you didn't address the second part.

[Jamiet99uk]

Yeah you never did insinuate you thought the kill target was RB'd.

Jamiet trying to put ideas into your head, instead of asking you more details about your theory, just feels to me like he has other motivations instead of figuring out whether your reasoning is genuine.

That's right. I am steadfastly determined to convince Aarodactyl that you roleblocked DemonRHK and then fake-claimed roleblock, instead of withholding the roleblock and then fake-claiming roleblock. It is absolutely vital that I convince him of the former scenario, and not the latter.

Excuse me, EBWOP

[Vecna]

Yeah you never did insinuate you thought the kill target was RB'd.

Jamiet trying to put ideas into your head, instead of asking you more details about your theory, just feels to me like he has other motivations instead of figuring out whether your reasoning is genuine.

That's right. I am steadfastly determined to convince Aarodactyl that you roleblocked DemonRHK and then fake-claimed roleblock, instead of withholding the roleblock and then fake-claiming roleblock. It is absolutely vital that I convince him of the latter scenario, and not the former.

Well, thats a pretty towny response at least

[Chaqa]

I've been thinking a bit about the RHK kill. I read through all of his posts, and while I'd like a second and third opinion, I don't see anything that immediately jumps out as crumbing or hinting at being a PR. Here's a link to his ISO if anyone wants to check me:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=d1-&g=63

So, I suspect two possible motivations for his NK:

1. Low-information kill on a *possible* PR, since he was low profile
2. Removing someone driving suspicion on a possible scum player (bran and celaph)

I suspect #1. Most of the "usual" N1 kills are under suspicion (HR, Vecna, rivera, ghug, etc.) so I think that would explain this kill as RHK is scary late game.

[Fluminator]

Vecna you sound offended damo is more willing to kill you than me right now

[Hellenic Riot]

Bona being less active isn't a reason to look at him. Bona's 3/4 people reads list where he townread almost everyone on it, and then after I called him out on that he did the other quarter and scumread everyone on there (when he said he was dividing them by post count, not read strength) felt extremely disingenuous though. The fact that after I later called him out on this he dodged a response entirely and asked why he wasn't being hammered hasn't improved my feelings there.

Last game Bona intensely questioned everyone who ever scumread him. This game he's utterly ignored it. That's not something I'm content to just brush away as "less activity due to homework". That's a different thought process.

1. Anyone who wants to talk to me about ego should look at this guy.
2. Like this post.

Agree with Ghug on both points.

But want to see if HR would go all the way.

##vote Bona

I mean, sure. Bona has posted since that post and yet again completely avoided interacting with people scumreading him.

##vote Bona

I'm interested that you think I'd ever refuse a direct challenge to vote someone I'm scumreading though

[Hamilton Brian]

It turns out Worcej/ND would have been in my Tier 3 (could kill could save) but none of my Tier 4s are wagons yet, so that's probably my starting point.

##Vote Worcej

[Chaqa]

Oh, and I tend to believe Vecna was roleblocked.

I don't think there's much reason to put the roleblock on your kill target in this setup.

[Vecna]

Then why did you suggest I was unwilling to vote for people within the group?

You have had more of a chance to participate than Flum and the participation you have had is scummier than Flum's.

If theres 9 people you'd vote over him, I dont think that interpretation is very far off.

I note you didn't address the second part.

Would you be interested in hearing me repeat the excuses/reasons as to why ive only been fluffposting and have not caught up? Its pretty clear to me that unless I proceed to quote the entire thread and actually catch-up youre just going to have that opinion (which is fine for now).

You want me to interrogate you what exactly you mean with scummy participation? I think ive already figured out your alignment, so im not that interested atm.

[Hellenic Riot]

Oh, and I tend to believe Vecna was roleblocked.

I don't think there's much reason to put the roleblock on your kill target in this setup.

The Doctor can self-save, which is the main reason why RB-Killing is the common meta here.

If Vecna's claim is legit (and frankly I can see him faking it as either alignment) that would suggest to me a scumteam that is unfamiliar with RB-Killing.