MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

Oh btw, I was roleblocked

[Vecna]

Where did this random worcej wagon come from?

Why are you calling it random when there was some actual reasoning behind it?

[Hamilton Brian]

Oh btw, I was roleblocked

Are you suggesting this is something more to dig into? I'm afraid I am not getting the nuance, or I am not inferring all that well. How is this different than people saying they weren't role-blocked?

[Jamiet99uk]

Worcej: I think I was town-reading Durga; no, I definitely was. Her bailing out isn’t scum-indicative. She cut ties with our Webdip World team. However, Worcej gets the benefit of the doubt to at least get through another day or two. Sorry to hear about the Covid. That sucks. Rest up, heal up.

Why does your read on Durga form the basis for your read on Worcej?

[President Eden]

Oh btw, I was roleblocked

Are you suggesting this is something more to dig into? I'm afraid I am not getting the nuance, or I am not inferring all that well. How is this different than people saying they weren't role-blocked?

I think it’ll prove unproductive because we can’t corroborate anything. It just cuts against my theory that they shot Demon as a power role guess, because the obvious thing to do is to roleblock and shoot to play around doctor self-save.

[Vecna]

worcej is my top suspect for these reasons:

1. ND getting subbed D1 is a scum red flag for me.

Oh seriously Bozo not this shit again. Scumleaning Worcej because ND subbed out is silly, but making him your top "scumread" and listing this as one of your main reasons is downright ridiculous.

So you dont think the pattern that Bozo listed is at least some reason for suspicion?

ND has a clear pattern of flaking as scum D1 and making excuses, only to pick up later on. He displayed that here. As town he is nearly always hyper involved.

Why does this not at least entice you slightly?

[Jamiet99uk]

Where did this random worcej wagon come from?

Why are you calling it random when there was some actual reasoning behind it?

Not very good reasoning.

[Hamilton Brian]

Vecna, maybe this is me trying to understand the thinking behind a decision like yours.

Why did you feel it was important to declare you were roleblocked when you did? In my memory of games it seems like it would be helpful if one were a lead wagon. Didn't that happen to Flum a few games ago and they declared PR at the very last moment before votes could change? So in this case it might make you safe from a miskill. Or is my logic askew?

[Vecna]

My current groups fwiw

Strong Town

Jamie PE
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Medium Town

Chaqa
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Weak Town

Aaro
Bozo
Donny
rdr
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???

Bona *
Brain **
Bunny **
Celaph *
EMC *
Flum
Ghug *
HB *
Vecna **
Worcej **

Willing to vote any in the ??? group but the more the asterisks the greater the willingness to vote them.

Can you explain your willingness to vote me and Ghug over Flum, while listing them in the same bracket?

Whats the point of listing these brackets, but then being unwilling to vote them?

Sounds like a wonderfull way to claim later on that you were suspicious of the Flum/durga slot and to set up a future bus.

[Vecna]

Where did this random worcej wagon come from?

Why are you calling it random when there was some actual reasoning behind it?

Not very good reasoning.

As far as bozo level of arguments go, i feel this is the best reasoning he's used in like 5 games.

[Hamilton Brian]

Worcej: I think I was town-reading Durga; no, I definitely was. Her bailing out isn’t scum-indicative. She cut ties with our Webdip World team. However, Worcej gets the benefit of the doubt to at least get through another day or two. Sorry to hear about the Covid. That sucks. Rest up, heal up.

Why does your read on Durga form the basis for your read on Worcej?

It's my confusion and being easily-swayed by the "scum get subbed out D1" business. I read her as town; I should offer that same courtesy to Worcej.

[Jamiet99uk]

worcej is my top suspect for these reasons:

1. ND getting subbed D1 is a scum red flag for me.

Oh seriously Bozo not this shit again. Scumleaning Worcej because ND subbed out is silly, but making him your top "scumread" and listing this as one of your main reasons is downright ridiculous.

So you dont think the pattern that Bozo listed is at least some reason for suspicion?

ND has a clear pattern of flaking as scum D1 and making excuses, only to pick up later on. He displayed that here. As town he is nearly always hyper involved.

Why does this not at least entice you slightly?

I have a general hatred of any argument that goes "Oh, XX subbed out, they must have been scum".

Also, I remember games where ND has played very well as scum, and put in a lot of effort. He did so in my Toyshop game where he survived until the end, and there was a game a while before that where he spent multiple phases setting up a mis-kill on me in a way that was absolutely infuriating to be on the receiving end of, but he certainly invested in his work.

[Vecna]

Vecna, maybe this is me trying to understand the thinking behind a decision like yours.

Why did you feel it was important to declare you were roleblocked when you did? In my memory of games it seems like it would be helpful if one were a lead wagon. Didn't that happen to Flum a few games ago and they declared PR at the very last moment before votes could change? So in this case it might make you safe from a miskill. Or is my logic askew?

Its an easy way to get reads. You probably just townslipped for example.

[Vecna]

Either that or youre trying real hard to townslip by being a good pretender

[Jamiet99uk]

Worcej: I think I was town-reading Durga; no, I definitely was. Her bailing out isn’t scum-indicative. She cut ties with our Webdip World team. However, Worcej gets the benefit of the doubt to at least get through another day or two. Sorry to hear about the Covid. That sucks. Rest up, heal up.

Why does your read on Durga form the basis for your read on Worcej?

It's my confusion and being easily-swayed by the "scum get subbed out D1" business. I read her as town; I should offer that same courtesy to Worcej.

Right.

It kinda looked to me that you mistakenly thought Worcej was Durga's replacement. (That's Fluminator).

[Hamilton Brian]

Right.

It kinda looked to me that you mistakenly thought Worcej was Durga's replacement. (That's Fluminator).

I did; I got them mixed up. Time to redo my fluid list.

[Hamilton Brian]

Its an easy way to get reads. You probably just townslipped for example.

I don't even see how or why. Never mind. It'll come to me eventually.

[aarodactyl]

Oh btw, I was roleblocked

Are you suggesting this is something more to dig into? I'm afraid I am not getting the nuance, or I am not inferring all that well. How is this different than people saying they weren't role-blocked?

I’m making tea so catching up with the thread. No one has reacted to my post calling Vecna scum because I think the N1 RB would be scum.

[Vecna]

Hmmm. It's fairly strong evidence, but the holidays happened, and ND didn't just low post, he never posted following his disappearance, so I think it's fair to say it's different?

Look at his profile:

https://webdiplomacy.net/userprofile.php?userID=68782

Last online Friday 5 PM (EST).

I think he just ghosted.

When was it actually announced he asked for a replacement?

[Vecna]

Hmmm. It's fairly strong evidence, but the holidays happened, and ND didn't just low post, he never posted following his disappearance, so I think it's fair to say it's different?

Look at his profile:

https://webdiplomacy.net/userprofile.php?userID=68782

Last online Friday 5 PM (EST).

I think he just ghosted.

To add to this, I recall ND almost missing the deadline to confirm his sign up.

What does this matter in any of this? If he confirmed closer to gamestart he would have had a much clearer idea of his participation possibilities, no?