MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

I'm gonna take a little time to digest aaro's actual points before riffing off of them. I skimmed them and loved what I saw.

celaph, the reason I said "I want to townread you for this" to aaro was because I actually did townread aaro for the earnest explanation of his thought process in his second game, but I wanted to put at least token pressure on him to deliver the goods, because I got the feeling it was going to be strong work and I didn't want to let him coast if I were wrong.

I think two of our blessed trio of new friends are town and I honestly don't feel that bad about Bona. I think aaro said it best, the stuff that concerns me is easily explained by being busy IRL, and I do know Bona has been busy lately.

Having read them, they aren't bad. But he'd put in all the same effort as scum. The action itself is NAI or even slight scum lean for him. As town he'd be more comfortable saying "sorry...life, not happening." As scum he'd be sure to make it happen. So there's a (very) slight scum bias that he did this. Not enough to tilt on its own.

You know him better than me, but that's the exact opposite of what I would expect from a generic player. I'd grant you that the fact that we put pressure on him to deliver reduces the extent to which it is AI, but I have a lot of trouble suspecting him more for that effort.

[BunnyGo]

I'm gonna take a little time to digest aaro's actual points before riffing off of them. I skimmed them and loved what I saw.

celaph, the reason I said "I want to townread you for this" to aaro was because I actually did townread aaro for the earnest explanation of his thought process in his second game, but I wanted to put at least token pressure on him to deliver the goods, because I got the feeling it was going to be strong work and I didn't want to let him coast if I were wrong.

I think two of our blessed trio of new friends are town and I honestly don't feel that bad about Bona. I think aaro said it best, the stuff that concerns me is easily explained by being busy IRL, and I do know Bona has been busy lately.

Having read them, they aren't bad. But he'd put in all the same effort as scum. The action itself is NAI or even slight scum lean for him. As town he'd be more comfortable saying "sorry...life, not happening." As scum he'd be sure to make it happen. So there's a (very) slight scum bias that he did this. Not enough to tilt on its own.

You know him better than me, but that's the exact opposite of what I would expect from a generic player. I'd grant you that the fact that we put pressure on him to deliver reduces the extent to which it is AI, but I have a lot of trouble suspecting him more for that effort.

I'd put in more effort early as scum to produce "quality" reads. He probably would too.

[President Eden]

OK team who should we pressure next?

I think I wanna hear from Hellenic Riot, bozotheclown, and rdrivera2005 some more, but I'm not actually sure what specifically to ask about. Maybe some READS???

[aarodactyl]

I'm gonna take a little time to digest aaro's actual points before riffing off of them. I skimmed them and loved what I saw.

celaph, the reason I said "I want to townread you for this" to aaro was because I actually did townread aaro for the earnest explanation of his thought process in his second game, but I wanted to put at least token pressure on him to deliver the goods, because I got the feeling it was going to be strong work and I didn't want to let him coast if I were wrong.

I think two of our blessed trio of new friends are town and I honestly don't feel that bad about Bona. I think aaro said it best, the stuff that concerns me is easily explained by being busy IRL, and I do know Bona has been busy lately.

Having read them, they aren't bad. But he'd put in all the same effort as scum. The action itself is NAI or even slight scum lean for him. As town he'd be more comfortable saying "sorry...life, not happening." As scum he'd be sure to make it happen. So there's a (very) slight scum bias that he did this. Not enough to tilt on its own.

You know him better than me, but that's the exact opposite of what I would expect from a generic player. I'd grant you that the fact that we put pressure on him to deliver reduces the extent to which it is AI, but I have a lot of trouble suspecting him more for that effort.

I want to caution people from trusting his opinion on me too much. We used to live near each other until I was nine and then I haven't seen him in person much since then. His impression of how'd I play is a lot of educated guessing. For instance, he got thrown a lot when I started shitposting last game. Considering he didn't keep up with the mafia game after he was daykilled, a lot of people in the game actually have more experience playing mafia with me than he does. Though in his defense, I'd probably put a lot of effort into the game as mafia, but I'm not sure I'd put quite that much effort in.

[BunnyGo]

Having read them, they aren't bad. But he'd put in all the same effort as scum. The action itself is NAI or even slight scum lean for him. As town he'd be more comfortable saying "sorry...life, not happening." As scum he'd be sure to make it happen. So there's a (very) slight scum bias that he did this. Not enough to tilt on its own.

You know him better than me, but that's the exact opposite of what I would expect from a generic player. I'd grant you that the fact that we put pressure on him to deliver reduces the extent to which it is AI, but I have a lot of trouble suspecting him more for that effort.

I want to caution people from trusting his opinion on me too much. We used to live near each other until I was nine and then I haven't seen him in person much since then. His impression of how'd I play is a lot of educated guessing. For instance, he got thrown a lot when I started shitposting last game. Considering he didn't keep up with the mafia game after he was daykilled, a lot of people in the game actually have more experience playing mafia with me than he does. Though in his defense, I'd probably put a lot of effort into the game as mafia, but I'm not sure I'd put quite that much effort in.

All true too.

I have played games with you since. Like when I taught you some bridge and then took you to the toughest game in Boston and you cleaned up. That was like 5 years ago.

[President Eden]

##VOTE bozotheclown

We'll start here. aaro earned a turn at the wheel.

bozo, who's the mafia and who's not? I can't read you well anyway so this vote might actually stick if your response isn't impressive

[celaph]

I'm gonna take a little time to digest aaro's actual points before riffing off of them. I skimmed them and loved what I saw.

celaph, the reason I said "I want to townread you for this" to aaro was because I actually did townread aaro for the earnest explanation of his thought process in his second game, but I wanted to put at least token pressure on him to deliver the goods, because I got the feeling it was going to be strong work and I didn't want to let him coast if I were wrong.

I think two of our blessed trio of new friends are town and I honestly don't feel that bad about Bona. I think aaro said it best, the stuff that concerns me is easily explained by being busy IRL, and I do know Bona has been busy lately.

Having read them, they aren't bad. But he'd put in all the same effort as scum. The action itself is NAI or even slight scum lean for him. As town he'd be more comfortable saying "sorry...life, not happening." As scum he'd be sure to make it happen. So there's a (very) slight scum bias that he did this. Not enough to tilt on its own.

I can't comment on what scum aaro would do, but I object to scum reading his effort after he made a very similar post last game as town.

[BunnyGo]

I'm gonna take a little time to digest aaro's actual points before riffing off of them. I skimmed them and loved what I saw.

celaph, the reason I said "I want to townread you for this" to aaro was because I actually did townread aaro for the earnest explanation of his thought process in his second game, but I wanted to put at least token pressure on him to deliver the goods, because I got the feeling it was going to be strong work and I didn't want to let him coast if I were wrong.

I think two of our blessed trio of new friends are town and I honestly don't feel that bad about Bona. I think aaro said it best, the stuff that concerns me is easily explained by being busy IRL, and I do know Bona has been busy lately.

Having read them, they aren't bad. But he'd put in all the same effort as scum. The action itself is NAI or even slight scum lean for him. As town he'd be more comfortable saying "sorry...life, not happening." As scum he'd be sure to make it happen. So there's a (very) slight scum bias that he did this. Not enough to tilt on its own.

I can't comment on what scum aaro would do, but I object to scum reading his effort after he made a very similar post last game as town.

Fair enough, was it under similar circumstances?

[aarodactyl]

I’m going to tank my first scum game just to mess with bunny

[BunnyGo]

I’m going to tank my first scum game just to mess with bunny

[Donny Dude]

I’m going to tank my first scum game just to mess with bunny

Bonus points if it includes a day 2 meltdown like my first game as scum. No, don't do that.
On ghug, I reread it and while I don't think it is a scumslip, ghug's reaction to it bugs me and he drops down to null.

[ghug]

I'm gonna take a little time to digest aaro's actual points before riffing off of them. I skimmed them and loved what I saw.

celaph, the reason I said "I want to townread you for this" to aaro was because I actually did townread aaro for the earnest explanation of his thought process in his second game, but I wanted to put at least token pressure on him to deliver the goods, because I got the feeling it was going to be strong work and I didn't want to let him coast if I were wrong.

I think two of our blessed trio of new friends are town and I honestly don't feel that bad about Bona. I think aaro said it best, the stuff that concerns me is easily explained by being busy IRL, and I do know Bona has been busy lately.

Having read them, they aren't bad. But he'd put in all the same effort as scum. The action itself is NAI or even slight scum lean for him. As town he'd be more comfortable saying "sorry...life, not happening." As scum he'd be sure to make it happen. So there's a (very) slight scum bias that he did this. Not enough to tilt on its own.

You know him better than me, but that's the exact opposite of what I would expect from a generic player. I'd grant you that the fact that we put pressure on him to deliver reduces the extent to which it is AI, but I have a lot of trouble suspecting him more for that effort.

I definitely townread him more for the posts in the hours leading up to the big post. The read list itself is fine, but that's one of the easiest ways for some to hide, so I'm not going to give him extra credit for it.

[ghug]

Having read them, they aren't bad. But he'd put in all the same effort as scum. The action itself is NAI or even slight scum lean for him. As town he'd be more comfortable saying "sorry...life, not happening." As scum he'd be sure to make it happen. So there's a (very) slight scum bias that he did this. Not enough to tilt on its own.

You know him better than me, but that's the exact opposite of what I would expect from a generic player. I'd grant you that the fact that we put pressure on him to deliver reduces the extent to which it is AI, but I have a lot of trouble suspecting him more for that effort.

I want to caution people from trusting his opinion on me too much. We used to live near each other until I was nine and then I haven't seen him in person much since then. His impression of how'd I play is a lot of educated guessing. For instance, he got thrown a lot when I started shitposting last game. Considering he didn't keep up with the mafia game after he was daykilled, a lot of people in the game actually have more experience playing mafia with me than he does. Though in his defense, I'd probably put a lot of effort into the game as mafia, but I'm not sure I'd put quite that much effort in.

How often do y'all see each other in person and do you play social deduction games when you do?

[Hellenic Riot]

Bona being less active isn't a reason to look at him. Bona's 3/4 people reads list where he townread almost everyone on it, and then after I called him out on that he did the other quarter and scumread everyone on there (when he said he was dividing them by post count, not read strength) felt extremely disingenuous though. The fact that after I later called him out on this he dodged a response entirely and asked why he wasn't being hammered hasn't improved my feelings there.

Last game Bona intensely questioned everyone who ever scumread him. This game he's utterly ignored it. That's not something I'm content to just brush away as "less activity due to homework". That's a different thought process.

[ghug]

Bona being less active isn't a reason to look at him. Bona's 3/4 people reads list where he townread almost everyone on it, and then after I called him out on that he did the other quarter and scumread everyone on there (when he said he was dividing them by post count, not read strength) felt extremely disingenuous though. The fact that after I later called him out on this he dodged a response entirely and asked why he wasn't being hammered hasn't improved my feelings there.

Last game Bona intensely questioned everyone who ever scumread him. This game he's utterly ignored it. That's not something I'm content to just brush away as "less activity due to homework". That's a different thought process.

1. Anyone who wants to talk to me about ego should look at this guy.
2. Like this post.

[celaph]

Having read them, they aren't bad. But he'd put in all the same effort as scum. The action itself is NAI or even slight scum lean for him. As town he'd be more comfortable saying "sorry...life, not happening." As scum he'd be sure to make it happen. So there's a (very) slight scum bias that he did this. Not enough to tilt on its own.

I can't comment on what scum aaro would do, but I object to scum reading his effort after he made a very similar post last game as town.

Fair enough, was it under similar circumstances?

There are obvious differences, but I think the situations are comparable enough that I'm comfortable saying that putting this much effort in is well within the range of town aaro.

[Hellenic Riot]

Bona being less active isn't a reason to look at him. Bona's 3/4 people reads list where he townread almost everyone on it, and then after I called him out on that he did the other quarter and scumread everyone on there (when he said he was dividing them by post count, not read strength) felt extremely disingenuous though. The fact that after I later called him out on this he dodged a response entirely and asked why he wasn't being hammered hasn't improved my feelings there.

Last game Bona intensely questioned everyone who ever scumread him. This game he's utterly ignored it. That's not something I'm content to just brush away as "less activity due to homework". That's a different thought process.

1. Anyone who wants to talk to me about ego should look at this guy.
2. Like this post.

Most of my ego got obliterated away and replaced with crippling self-doubt some time ago, though shards of the old me do still shine through every so often

[ghug]

Bona being less active isn't a reason to look at him. Bona's 3/4 people reads list where he townread almost everyone on it, and then after I called him out on that he did the other quarter and scumread everyone on there (when he said he was dividing them by post count, not read strength) felt extremely disingenuous though. The fact that after I later called him out on this he dodged a response entirely and asked why he wasn't being hammered hasn't improved my feelings there.

Last game Bona intensely questioned everyone who ever scumread him. This game he's utterly ignored it. That's not something I'm content to just brush away as "less activity due to homework". That's a different thought process.

1. Anyone who wants to talk to me about ego should look at this guy.
2. Like this post.

Most of my ego got obliterated away and replaced with crippling self-doubt some time ago, though shards of the old me do still shine through every so often

Wow we're so alike

[BunnyGo]

I’m going to tank my first scum game just to mess with bunny

Bonus points if it includes a day 2 meltdown like my first game as scum. No, don't do that.
On ghug, I reread it and while I don't think it is a scumslip, ghug's reaction to it bugs me and he drops down to null.

Some accuse ghuggers of scum slipping?

[Donny Dude]

##vote Bozo
I will join you eden.
I went through the iso and so far he reminds me of the game where he was scum, I would also like to see reads because I know scum bozo has a hard time evolving said reads.