MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

Oh he has the most posts day 1 nm

That's the best way to lurk to be honest...

but no, just life.

It seems I missed some drama, was reading Durga's ISO and didn't understand what happened (seems it was more people saying things about her?). So then started reading your ISO and hoping she's obv town. I dunno what that means.

Meh... some people create drama and spill it into places it shouldn't be.

[President Eden]

There are two QFCs in his neighborhood so this is very believable.

Yeah but he didn't play with our crew so that's instantly sus.
@Chaqa @Bona @Vecna @Jamiet99uk @ghug get a load of this guy

Lol idk if I count as part of the crew given that I haven't played yet but ok.

(hey Chaqa how's that for in groups )

I just went through everyone I remembered being in the server who is also in the game. You can't really deny that it's instantly and maximally sus for somebody to be playing with not us

[celaph]

We're on the third bottle of Prosecco AMA

Why is it taking aaro so long to finish his homework so I can stop pretending to scumread him?

I'm getting the sense that aaro doesn't have a great sense for what is worth rereading. He did a similar thing D2 last game where he tried to reread literally everything and only made it through page 50.

@aaro, no one expect you to reread literally everyone like you are. Focus on the people you think are key at the moment.

[worcej]

I appreciate your old school cottage industry lifestyle, but I can't imagine sleeping in the same house as the animals I'm eventually going to eat.

The local south Louisiana comfort food restaurant by LSU has a great house Merlot. I get it every time I go there and I go there every time I'm home.

Wait a tick - are you in Louisiana?

I lived in Lake Charles from 2014 until 2016. I miss the food so badly...

Originally from Baton Rouge. I moved to Oklahoma for law school. I thought I wanted to leave Louisiana, but a couple years away helped me come to appreciate it better (as I understand many people find out). I'm back home for the holidays.

A buddy of mine works out in Lake Charles, he lives in Jennings. I'm guessing you're involved in oil or engineering somehow if you're from Seattle but ended up out here for a spell lol.

Guilty - Chemical Engineer who sold chemicals to the papermill in DeRidder. Lived primarily in Moss Bluff and was awesome.

We got out right as the Sasol plant went live and everything went to shit apparently - I keep in regular contact with friends from down there and still DnD with them weekly.

[BunnyGo]

Yeah but he didn't play with our crew so that's instantly sus.
@Chaqa @Bona @Vecna @Jamiet99uk @ghug get a load of this guy

Lol idk if I count as part of the crew given that I haven't played yet but ok.

(hey Chaqa how's that for in groups )

I just went through everyone I remembered being in the server who is also in the game. You can't really deny that it's instantly and maximally sus for somebody to be playing with not us

It's a family weekly covid game

[BunnyGo]

We're on the third bottle of Prosecco AMA

Why is it taking aaro so long to finish his homework so I can stop pretending to scumread him?

I'm getting the sense that aaro doesn't have a great sense for what is worth rereading. He did a similar thing D2 last game where he tried to reread literally everything and only made it through page 50.

@aaro, no one expect you to reread literally everyone like you are. Focus on the people you think are key at the moment.

@aaro, do you know how the bot works? I didn't appreciate all the ins and outs of using it to find when the votes were made and search people's posts until embarrassingly late.

[worcej]

Yeah but he didn't play with our crew so that's instantly sus.
@Chaqa @Bona @Vecna @Jamiet99uk @ghug get a load of this guy

Lol idk if I count as part of the crew given that I haven't played yet but ok.

(hey Chaqa how's that for in groups )

I just went through everyone I remembered being in the server who is also in the game. You can't really deny that it's instantly and maximally sus for somebody to be playing with not us

You missed me, though it isn't shocking.

I really should've used my normal screen name for games instead of my initials when I made this account...

[celaph]

Actually aaro you should post whatever you have now.

I really like this idea.

[worcej]

Liking this aaro pressure - keep it up.

[aarodactyl]

Why is it taking aaro so long to finish his homework so I can stop pretending to scumread him?

I'm getting the sense that aaro doesn't have a great sense for what is worth rereading. He did a similar thing D2 last game where he tried to reread literally everything and only made it through page 50.

@aaro, no one expect you to reread literally everyone like you are. Focus on the people you think are key at the moment.

@aaro, do you know how the bot works? I didn't appreciate all the ins and outs of using it to find when the votes were made and search people's posts until embarrassingly late.

yep, I figured it out pretty well last game. Celaph is on the nose. I'm not rereading the thread directly, but I'm shifting through a lot of stuff. Also I'm not really prioritizing this that much tbh. I want to get it out (and I will in like 5 minutes after I say that Vecna has been super weird this game), but I've also been doing stuff like watching movies and talking with friends

[BunnyGo]

Liking this aaro pressure - keep it up.

Can you fill me in on the backstory? Has he been promising stuff?

[celaph]

@damo, why you voting celaph?

I'll dig into the other wagons.

@Donny and @Jamie

My vote was a result of a quick skim of Demon following his NK

@bunny this is damo's given explanation as best as I can tell.

[aarodactyl]

Ok. I'm going to take a swing at making a read post. I'll use Tom's list because I'm glad he spent the effort to alphabetized it.

Also I liked the way that Eden organized their reads D1, so I'm going to steal their summary table:

Tier 1 Definitely Don’t Shoot: Jamiet99uk, President Eden
Tier 2 Don’t Shoot: Bona, Celaph, Damo666, Fluminator, Hellenic Riot
Tier 3 Probably Don’t Shoot: Donny Dude, Hamilton Brian, Worcej, Rdrivera2005
Tier 4 Could Shoot: Brainbomb, Bozo, EMC, Ghug
Tier 5 Shoot: BunnyGo, Vecna

Reads:

1. Aarodactyl: clearly town
2. Bonatogether: I know some people (included PE) have accused them of being scum because of their lack of engagement compared to last game. I don't think this is necessarily wrong, but I buy the excuse of catching up on homework. Even if it's a chaqa-esque diversion of using real life as an excuse, it seems pretty authentic to me. If they continue to not be engaged, I can get behind a scum read, but not right now. And besides lack of engagement, I don't see anything that seems out of place to me. town lean
3. Brainbomb: I like playing with them, but I'm getting scummy vibes from them. I'm also super confused by their D1 voting. They went on maniac when it was a 4-4 split. However, they jumped off at 6-6 to the HR train. They switched back to maniac when it was looking super close at EOD. This all kind of makes sense to me, but at the same time, it feels like of like they were balancing the ND and Manic trains and if ND flips scum, it's going to make me suspicious. It also seems scummy because it felt like they were pushing the maniac wagon a fair bit. scum lean.
4. Bozotheclown: I'm down to vote them out because of all the colored texted. It just seems distracting and makes rereading their D1 on peterbot very unpleasant. They've also contributed very little. scum lean
5. BunnyGo: the AM/GM stuff was a lot D1 and wasn't really helpful at all. The weird bit about DMs and flavor names might have been a weird ploy to get PR to slip. They also argued with jamie about the spirit of the game. To be honest, they were the biggest D1 poster and most of it felt anti-town at best. And then they've been missing for 2 days. I think scum. (they're back now. I'm not going to factor that in for now because I want to publish this. It does mean they're probably going to stop looking quite as scummy. I think town!bunny does quite a bit of the D1 stuff)
6. Celaph: I think their posting day 1 seemed just like their posting last game (so town). I also think switching from ND to Maniac to avoid a last second tie is a pretty town move. If ND was town, scum!celaph doesn't switch, and to be honest, if ND is scum, I don't think scum!celaph can afford to switch there. I don't like how much they've lurked since EOD1, but I didn't like that last game as well. I can't really hold that against them. town lean.
7. Chaqa: I really dislike how they refused to pick a wagon when the two wagons were tied D1. They seem a lot more active than last game, and also a lot more constructive. I think that's NAI because they needed to change up their scum meta after winning last game. (NAI but they're getting a dog tomorrow. I hope that goes well) scum lean
8. Damo666: I like their entrance to the game with them calling out bozo. I also like how they handled EOD1. I also feel like they're acting differently than last game. I think it also feels more natural. I'll put them at townlean.
9. DemonRHK: dead
10. Donny Dude: Their day 1 seems pretty townie until close to EOD. Taking a breather then voting maniac and then talking a lot about how it should have been obvious Maniac was town. Seems to focus on celaph a fair bit. This is kind of strange to me as well since it's hard to read someone you haven't played with before. I'm also not super happy they told Flum I was joking. I'm going to put them as a null read. I think that I would have down a scum lean if I'd played with them before.
11. Durga/Fluminator: I really appreciated how Durga tried to keep the game civil, and I'm sorry that she left. And to be honest, keeping the game civil is a very town thing to do, and I'm not going to scumread the slot just because she subbed. Her play felt different from last game, but to mean that points to being VT instead of being PR. I like having flum around, so I'm going to be biased and put them as townlean. A more honest rating would be null.
12. E.m.c.^42: There's a lot of calling ghug daddy and not a lot of reads on people. Also their EOD1 voting was all over the place and ended up breaking the maniac/ND tie. Obviously this doesn't mean much unless ND is scum (and to be honest I townread celaph for also breaking the tie). However, I think they're a scumlean for me.
13. ghug: I'm giving ghug seven scum points for their given reason for voting for ND round 1. They fought with bunny for a while about the rules. I'm not sure how to think about this because it didn't feel like scum theater (and I'm scumreading bunny), but I guess they're allowed to have an honest fight. Asking to get bunny modkilled is sus in my eyes. Since there's no way that would actually happen. No offense, but ghug is coming across as kind of mean on this reread. In general people thought his voting and the way he talked about it afterwards was scummy. All of that being said, this feels exactly like ghug from last game, so I'm going to dial my read back to a scumlean.
14. Hamilton Brian: I honestly forgot HB was playing. When I looked back, my impression was that HB had a wild NYE and has posted a couple of good sounding posts. However, that's easy to do as scum and it could be very well be them lurking. I'm going to put them at null and give them the benefit of the doubt that new years got them behind. However, if they keep on being behind on the thread, they're going to plummet in my ratings a lot.
15. Hellenic Riot: Besides the wagon on them at the end of D1, I wouldn't have remember they were playing. Looking back, it seems like they posted a lot, especially near EOD. Most of it just seems to be defensive because of the train. They have a nice EOD post, but I don't think they were in real danger of being voted out when it happened. So I'd take the post as townie, but not as much as if they were going to be eliminated there. I think I'm going to put them at townlean. I'd like to also note that I did an awful job at reading them last game.
16. Jamiet99uk: I'm getting tired, and Jamie has a lot of posts, and I don't want to reread them. I remember a lot of it from when I was first reading through everything. He seems very town. There's a lot of effort going into his posts and a lot of his anger at PE seemed real. The whole interaction with PE really seemed TvT, so good job if that ended up being scum theater. Town
17. Maniac: dead
18. ND/Worcej: I think ND lurking and then getting subbed is NAI. I think if they posted a lot, they'd just get baited by town into getting DKed. Worcej came in on the defense, but honestly, what else was he going to do? That's pretty NAI to me. They haven't posted quite as much as I'd expect, but we still have a lot of the day left and they're sick. null
19. President Eden: Not going to reread them either (just like jamiet). They seem incredibly town. They've putting in a ton of effort, and their points are compelling (even if I don't agree with all the conclusions). I was sort of worried when they came in shitposting a lot, but they seem like a very valuable town player to have around.
20. Rdrivera2005: they died before I could learn anything about them last game, so take all of this with a grain of salt. If ND is town, I like how they started the HR train. If ND is scum, I really don't like it. Most of their posts seem high quality, and I think that is pretty townie. But also I think they're falling into lurker territory for me. I know it's a rough time to be active, so I'm ok with giving it some leeway for now. I'm going to stick them at null, but if they don't start posting more, they're going to fall for me.
21. Vecna: They're not posting a lot. And the posting they're doing isn't even close to the style of last game. It's super weird to me. I think someone just said to give lurkers leeway for now because IRL stuff happens, but the tone of their posts is so weird (even when they probably weren't drunk). I'm going to stick them as scum.

I want to add a caveat that I'm rating both PE and Jamiet really town and a large part of that is how high effort they've been. I want to balance this with saying that's also exactly how I'd expect them to be playing if they got godfather. That's gets very into WIFOM, and it's only D2. If I think about it too much, I'll probably go crazy.

[President Eden]

I didnt forget @emc I just gave him a separate message to show how much I care.

[aarodactyl]

Liking this aaro pressure - keep it up.

Can you fill me in on the backstory? Has he been promising stuff?

People were saying I haven't been producing enough reads, and I mentioned I had been working on a long post. And then I kept mentioning it without delivering. Just like the reread that I promised last game

[President Eden]

Welcome to tier 1 aaro

##UNVOTE

[BunnyGo]

Liking this aaro pressure - keep it up.

Can you fill me in on the backstory? Has he been promising stuff?

People were saying I haven't been producing enough reads, and I mentioned I had been working on a long post. And then I kept mentioning it without delivering. Just like the reread that I promised last game

Holy wall of text aaro. Why did that bump him to tier 1 @pres?

[President Eden]

I'm gonna take a little time to digest aaro's actual points before riffing off of them. I skimmed them and loved what I saw.

celaph, the reason I said "I want to townread you for this" to aaro was because I actually did townread aaro for the earnest explanation of his thought process in his second game, but I wanted to put at least token pressure on him to deliver the goods, because I got the feeling it was going to be strong work and I didn't want to let him coast if I were wrong.

I think two of our blessed trio of new friends are town and I honestly don't feel that bad about Bona. I think aaro said it best, the stuff that concerns me is easily explained by being busy IRL, and I do know Bona has been busy lately.

[aarodactyl]

That might also be my last high quality post until EOD. The people I've comfortable voting for as of right now are vecna, bunny, and bozo. I'm sure this will change somewhat by EOD. For now, I'm going to park my vote on ##vote bozo. I know they aren't one of my two stronger scum reads, but I want to put some pressure on them. I'm also guessing Vecna and Bunny will trend a bit townier now that they seem to be back.

[BunnyGo]

I'm gonna take a little time to digest aaro's actual points before riffing off of them. I skimmed them and loved what I saw.

celaph, the reason I said "I want to townread you for this" to aaro was because I actually did townread aaro for the earnest explanation of his thought process in his second game, but I wanted to put at least token pressure on him to deliver the goods, because I got the feeling it was going to be strong work and I didn't want to let him coast if I were wrong.

I think two of our blessed trio of new friends are town and I honestly don't feel that bad about Bona. I think aaro said it best, the stuff that concerns me is easily explained by being busy IRL, and I do know Bona has been busy lately.

Having read them, they aren't bad. But he'd put in all the same effort as scum. The action itself is NAI or even slight scum lean for him. As town he'd be more comfortable saying "sorry...life, not happening." As scum he'd be sure to make it happen. So there's a (very) slight scum bias that he did this. Not enough to tilt on its own.