MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

##VOTE aarodactyl

Let’s try this one. Aaro, you’ve been around making helpful comments throughout the game, but I sense that when the chips were down at the end of day 1, you weren’t really worried about finding the right answer.
Specifically, you, like me, didn’t like Maniac’s rules bit and thought it was suspicious. Fair enough—but then you seemed very unenthusiastic about Maniac as a wagon once it actually got momentum. You said you were around for EOD, and you in fact were, and that you would be open to other wagons. But you apparently didn’t want the HR, rdrivera, OR Eden wagons...
And now we’re about halfway into day 2 and again, you’ve been around seeming helpful and productive, but I don’t really get where you’re coming to clear conclusions on people. In the event that you’re town, I don’t mean to disrespect your efforts, but “filler” is the description that comes to mind.

Dazzle me!

[Donny Dude]

At first look, ghug's response is not all that great. It laughs it off when I think a town person even a pr would take the accusation seriously and write out a response. Just shading on it seems scum indicative to me. But then it occurs to me that ghug and jamiet are not exactly buddies. This can be seen in an earlier post where ghug ranks jamiet on the same level as noobs To ghug this is just a joke from an incompetent so why address it. Even so, he waits for others to post a defense instead of doing it himself. The survivalistic trait I would expect to see from townperson who could be on the chopping block is not there.
Ghug, If the above accusation had come from say me would you laugh it off?

[Donny Dude]

I need to reevaluate ghug.

[President Eden]

@Jamie — ghug first coined the “Father Ghug The Godfather” bit almost a day before the post you quoted as being angry with BG. I don’t think there’s an inconsistency here. I hate to be a wet blanket, and I think ghug isn’t a bad shot, but I don’t think this is the silver bullet we were hoping for.

@ghug — What situation are you describing? I think BG pretending he got the wrong role PM after getting essentially copscanned guilty is a very different situation with regard to what I’m talking about. If BG were mafia here then he would be banking on having a correct understanding of the way the flavor names worked for all roles, and would be taking the risk of looking like he was fishing for power roles, or of accidentally outing a teammate (as this happened day 1 before mafia could communicate), for... what gain exactly? Town cred that he could get somewhere else without making people mad? The incentives don’t really line up to me for him to be mafia. I think BG has a very wide range as mafia, so I’m not putting him as lock town, but I would say at least 70% to be town and probably more.

[celaph]

Been away for a while so these responses go back a bit including some things from earlier in the night that I choose to reread to get a better sense of them. I've also seen that there have been posts since I've started writing this that probably merit and answer.

The argument between PE and Jamie (example post here) reminds me a lot of Flum/HR last game. Inclined to think this is TvT.

Regarding a question from bb: I'm curious why you chose to mention rdr and HR of all people. The short answer is no and the longer answer is that it feels wrong to rate people's mafia skills on a 1D scale. I really struggle with town Maniac's and how he acts as I seem to always find it scummy. HR had a bright move last game by claiming PR, but his reads were way off. And rdr seems like a strong player, but I've seen way less of him than the other two.

I'm getting good feelings from aaro, likely town. See: N1 pg. 87 and D2 page 98.

I'm liking Donny's performance today more than I was yesterday. He's made some quality observations like this one on aaro. I think this question for aaro is natural and smart.

Comments like this have made emc far more memorable for me than last game. Part of that is that he is coming across as more jovial and happy (see his approach to calling ghug daddy as an example). Overall, leaning town on him. @chaqa @vecna I recall you both having notable reads of EMC last game, do you like what you're seeing this game?

I know that there has been a lot more discussion on ghug since then, but his reads list shows very little evidence that ghug believes strongly in these kills. Telling aaro to do certain things or else get tunneled reek of similar levels of apathy. Rather unfortunately, I don't think this is scum indicative for ghug. Not sure I would be giving him as many town points for it as Durga was later on.

I've got some questions for bona

• In your EoN1 reads list you list Vecna's performances D1 and N1 as doodoo, yet your overall read on him is null. Why is there this discrepancy?
• In your D2 reads list so say that I'm trying to fake town play. What are you seeing in my messages that feels fake? I didn't post between these two reads lists so why did your mind change? Lastly, why do you say that I'm less accurate? Do you know who the mafia are and know that I'm missing them?

On the topic of Bona, their comment about using hammer to get them out, showed way less resistance to being the DK than I remember from last game.

In terms of Jamie's poll I would say b, but highly dependent on other factors like if you scum/town read them independently of this info. Also, while I agree that PE's 70% number is correct in some sense, I think PRs tend to be worth >1 scum member so we should weigh the odds a bit.

I say, what sound do you hear when Celaph tells a joke?

Celaphter

You managed to both make me facepalm and earn a +1 (if I was allowed to give them). I'm impressed.

[ghug]

@Jamie — ghug first coined the “Father Ghug The Godfather” bit almost a day before the post you quoted as being angry with BG. I don’t think there’s an inconsistency here. I hate to be a wet blanket, and I think ghug isn’t a bad shot, but I don’t think this is the silver bullet we were hoping for.

@ghug — What situation are you describing? I think BG pretending he got the wrong role PM after getting essentially copscanned guilty is a very different situation with regard to what I’m talking about. If BG were mafia here then he would be banking on having a correct understanding of the way the flavor names worked for all roles, and would be taking the risk of looking like he was fishing for power roles, or of accidentally outing a teammate (as this happened day 1 before mafia could communicate), for... what gain exactly? Town cred that he could get somewhere else without making people mad? The incentives don’t really line up to me for him to be mafia. I think BG has a very wide range as mafia, so I’m not putting him as lock town, but I would say at least 70% to be town and probably more.

He made this big show over Jamie (his teammate) using the word communist, and he asked celaph (new town) about the "QT" with the intent of eliciting a reaction over the unfamiliar term.

[ghug]

##VOTE aarodactyl

Let’s try this one. Aaro, you’ve been around making helpful comments throughout the game, but I sense that when the chips were down at the end of day 1, you weren’t really worried about finding the right answer.
Specifically, you, like me, didn’t like Maniac’s rules bit and thought it was suspicious. Fair enough—but then you seemed very unenthusiastic about Maniac as a wagon once it actually got momentum. You said you were around for EOD, and you in fact were, and that you would be open to other wagons. But you apparently didn’t want the HR, rdrivera, OR Eden wagons...
And now we’re about halfway into day 2 and again, you’ve been around seeming helpful and productive, but I don’t really get where you’re coming to clear conclusions on people. In the event that you’re town, I don’t mean to disrespect your efforts, but “filler” is the description that comes to mind.

Dazzle me!

##VOTE aaro cause I promised to tunnel him

[President Eden]

@Jamie — ghug first coined the “Father Ghug The Godfather” bit almost a day before the post you quoted as being angry with BG. I don’t think there’s an inconsistency here. I hate to be a wet blanket, and I think ghug isn’t a bad shot, but I don’t think this is the silver bullet we were hoping for.

@ghug — What situation are you describing? I think BG pretending he got the wrong role PM after getting essentially copscanned guilty is a very different situation with regard to what I’m talking about. If BG were mafia here then he would be banking on having a correct understanding of the way the flavor names worked for all roles, and would be taking the risk of looking like he was fishing for power roles, or of accidentally outing a teammate (as this happened day 1 before mafia could communicate), for... what gain exactly? Town cred that he could get somewhere else without making people mad? The incentives don’t really line up to me for him to be mafia. I think BG has a very wide range as mafia, so I’m not putting him as lock town, but I would say at least 70% to be town and probably more.

He made this big show over Jamie (his teammate) using the word communist, and he asked celaph (new town) about the "QT" with the intent of eliciting a reaction over the unfamiliar term.

Damn I forgot both those episodes even happened. Bunny why ya gotta have such an insane mafia range man?

[aarodactyl]

##VOTE aarodactyl

Let’s try this one. Aaro, you’ve been around making helpful comments throughout the game, but I sense that when the chips were down at the end of day 1, you weren’t really worried about finding the right answer.
Specifically, you, like me, didn’t like Maniac’s rules bit and thought it was suspicious. Fair enough—but then you seemed very unenthusiastic about Maniac as a wagon once it actually got momentum. You said you were around for EOD, and you in fact were, and that you would be open to other wagons. But you apparently didn’t want the HR, rdrivera, OR Eden wagons...
And now we’re about halfway into day 2 and again, you’ve been around seeming helpful and productive, but I don’t really get where you’re coming to clear conclusions on people. In the event that you’re town, I don’t mean to disrespect your efforts, but “filler” is the description that comes to mind.

Dazzle me!

##VOTE aaro cause I promised to tunnel him

I voted for Bunny at 10 hours into the day. That's within your 12 hours.

[e.m.c^42]

Lol celaph, I feel like you only find me more memorable because I'm talking more.

[aarodactyl]

##VOTE aarodactyl

Let’s try this one. Aaro, you’ve been around making helpful comments throughout the game, but I sense that when the chips were down at the end of day 1, you weren’t really worried about finding the right answer.
Specifically, you, like me, didn’t like Maniac’s rules bit and thought it was suspicious. Fair enough—but then you seemed very unenthusiastic about Maniac as a wagon once it actually got momentum. You said you were around for EOD, and you in fact were, and that you would be open to other wagons. But you apparently didn’t want the HR, rdrivera, OR Eden wagons...
And now we’re about halfway into day 2 and again, you’ve been around seeming helpful and productive, but I don’t really get where you’re coming to clear conclusions on people. In the event that you’re town, I don’t mean to disrespect your efforts, but “filler” is the description that comes to mind.

Dazzle me!

I'm working on a big post that I'm hoping to get done at some point tonight. It's not going to be as grand as some of your's this game, but I'm trying to reread everyone. I'm about half done. I'm going through alphabetically. This is what I have so far:

Tier 1 Definitely Don’t Shoot:
Tier 2 Don’t Shoot: Bona, Celaph
Tier 3 Probably Don’t Shoot: Donny Dude
Tier 4 Could Shoot: Brainbomb, Bozo
Tier 5 Shoot: BunnyGo

I have reason for these. I can post those now if you want, but they'll be in my larger post later tonight.

[ghug]

##VOTE aarodactyl

Let’s try this one. Aaro, you’ve been around making helpful comments throughout the game, but I sense that when the chips were down at the end of day 1, you weren’t really worried about finding the right answer.
Specifically, you, like me, didn’t like Maniac’s rules bit and thought it was suspicious. Fair enough—but then you seemed very unenthusiastic about Maniac as a wagon once it actually got momentum. You said you were around for EOD, and you in fact were, and that you would be open to other wagons. But you apparently didn’t want the HR, rdrivera, OR Eden wagons...
And now we’re about halfway into day 2 and again, you’ve been around seeming helpful and productive, but I don’t really get where you’re coming to clear conclusions on people. In the event that you’re town, I don’t mean to disrespect your efforts, but “filler” is the description that comes to mind.

Dazzle me!

##VOTE aaro cause I promised to tunnel him

I voted for Bunny at 10 hours into the day. That's within your 12 hours.

Didn't leave an impression sorry

[e.m.c^42]

Reads and opinions this game are certainly multitudes weaker than last game, imo.

[aarodactyl]

##VOTE aarodactyl

Let’s try this one. Aaro, you’ve been around making helpful comments throughout the game, but I sense that when the chips were down at the end of day 1, you weren’t really worried about finding the right answer.
Specifically, you, like me, didn’t like Maniac’s rules bit and thought it was suspicious. Fair enough—but then you seemed very unenthusiastic about Maniac as a wagon once it actually got momentum. You said you were around for EOD, and you in fact were, and that you would be open to other wagons. But you apparently didn’t want the HR, rdrivera, OR Eden wagons...
And now we’re about halfway into day 2 and again, you’ve been around seeming helpful and productive, but I don’t really get where you’re coming to clear conclusions on people. In the event that you’re town, I don’t mean to disrespect your efforts, but “filler” is the description that comes to mind.

Dazzle me!

Also, I didn't like the Maniac wagon in the way that no one likes a D1 wagon. The other wagons felt like they came out of nowhere and I didn't have any reason to scumread HR or rdr (and you're one of my top townreads).

[e.m.c^42]

Reads and opinions this game are certainly multitudes weaker than last game, imo.

(to clarify; my own, follow up to the post responding to Celaph)

[celaph]

I don't think that ghug makes for a good kill today.

Rereading town PR ghug from last game I felt that much of his play now aligns with his play this game. He was very open that his D1 vote last game was more for someone he didn't want to play with than for someone who was particularly scummy. He
said as much.

[celaph]

Lol celaph, I feel like you only find me more memorable because I'm talking more.

It's quite possible this is true. Why have you been posting more?

[aarodactyl]

Lol celaph, I feel like you only find me more memorable because I'm talking more.

It's quite possible this is true. Why have you been posting more?

They're excited to be playing with their dad.

[aarodactyl]

Also, I just went back to working on my reads, and it looks like I skipped damo by accident when I rated donny. (just saying this before bozo does a tunnel or something)

[celaph]

Tier 2 Don’t Shoot: Bona, Celaph

I have reason for these. I can post those now if you want, but they'll be in my larger post later tonight.

I'm looking forward to this post because I'm curious what in either bona or I's post history looks so nice.