MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

So here's what I need to bring to the attention of the class. Earlier today I re-read some stuff from D1 and I think Ghug is definitely either scum or a PR. If he's the second, then I'm sorry. But assuming the first, I think it is possible that Ghug genuinely scum-slipped in his response to BunnyGo's unethical posts in which he lied about his Role PM.

Here is the post from Ghug which I think is significant - it's not a post from the time of the original exchange (that was on pages 39 and 40), but a little later, on page 49:

Ghug I'm slightly suspicious of. Yes he disliked the style of play, but why overreact? Why claim godfather?

Why ignore me? Why respond to me? Some thoughts:

1) Ignoring me means you either don't know what's going on and decide to keep your head down, or know what's going on and want to see where it goes.

2) Why engage? Could be town motivated, but I don't see why. Town generally likes things to be shaken up. More often you're scum and want to keep yourself and your teammates from getting swept up.

So I need to go reread eventually and see who exactly said what in what order, but those were my prepared hypotheses for the experiment.

I've gotten pretty annoyed at everyone who's done this recently. I wasn't particularly kind to you when you were lying about GM communication last game, and that was less egregious than this to me. I PMed worcej suggesting clarifications on the town PM to help scum when I was town. Don't call it an overreaction just because you don't think what you did was wrong.

I claimed godfather because it was the first scum role that came to mind that fit my flavor name.

You'll note I did respond to you every time you brought it up. I flipped a shit the third or fourth time when it became clear you were actually serious and I found it objectionable.

I have highlighted the problematic line. It's a real "yikes" moment. Ghug says: "it was the first scum role that fit my flavor name"..... How does Ghug have a flavour name? Why, after retracting his "Godfather" claim, did Ghug continue to tell us that he knew his flavour name? There is no "Father Ghug" in the opening flavour and I am very sure there were no flavour names in the Role PMs. I sure don't know what my flavour name is going to be if I flip. This implies to me that Ghug actually thought, for real, that the Vanilla Townies had been told their flavour names (I know this ain't so). So in the heat of the moment, he thought he had to pretend he had a flavour name. Ergo, Ghug is not a VT.

Could it be that the above statement by Ghug _actually_ confirms, in plain sight, that he is not only *not* a VT, but actually the Godfather? Did Bunny truly make him snap so badly that he outed his role? Perhaps I am missing something but I cannot understand why Ghug carried on saying he knew his flavour name, after he stepped back from the "Godfather" part.

Ghug, if I'm wrong here, please feel free to explain to me how you claimed to know your flavour name?

I noticed this last night (which is why Ghug was in my scumreads) but I was reluctant to draw attention to it because I still think it was unfair of Bunny to put Ghug in this position. Nonetheless, the information is out there now. I cannot un-see it or pretend I did not see it. Here it is. I think Ghug is scum.

Lmao

[ghug]

I’ll refrain from comment until after ghug addresses this matter.

You actually think this necessitates a response?

I joked that my name was Father ghug because I was the priest last game. The end.

[President Eden]

I’ll refrain from comment until after ghug addresses this matter.

You actually think this necessitates a response?

I joked that my name was Father ghug because I was the priest last game. The end.

I didn’t want to volunteer that answer, just in case. I expected you would say this.

Now I want to hear what the others have to say about this answer.

[Jamiet99uk]

I’ll refrain from comment until after ghug addresses this matter.

You actually think this necessitates a response?

I joked that my name was Father ghug because I was the priest last game. The end.

I didn’t want to volunteer that answer, just in case. I expected you would say this.

Now I want to hear what the others have to say about this answer.

I would be quite interested in your opinion, Herc.

[aarodactyl]

I’ll refrain from comment until after ghug addresses this matter.

You actually think this necessitates a response?

I joked that my name was Father ghug because I was the priest last game. The end.

I didn’t want to volunteer that answer, just in case. I expected you would say this.

Now I want to hear what the others have to say about this answer.

I haven’t finished my reread of ghug but I think he’s going to be a scum lean. That being said, I highly doubt he’ll end up as godfather. If that were the case, I think he’d be much more careful with jokes like this. I’m also not sure he’d do it as town PR so my guess is he’s a goon, rb, or vt.

My explicit response is that I don’t think Jamie is on to anything but I still think Jamie is town and that ghug is a scum lean.

[e.m.c^42]

I’ll refrain from comment until after ghug addresses this matter.

You actually think this necessitates a response?

I joked that my name was Father ghug because I was the priest last game. The end.

I didn’t want to volunteer that answer, just in case. I expected you would say this.

Now I want to hear what the others have to say about this answer.

I just wanted an excuse to sit on daddy.

[Jamiet99uk]

EEeewwwww

[ghug]

EEeewwwww

I thought you were going to bed.

[e.m.c^42]

In all seriousness, though; I have him as a null-leaning-town read currently, so pressure would certainly be a good thing. At the very least it'll have people give their updated reads. I don't know if it's alignment indicative but he's similar to Chaqa in the sense that he's...more acerbic this game than last.

[e.m.c^42]

It would be nice to see celaph weigh in. Are we perhaps receiving a large wall of text? :D

[President Eden]

I don’t think Tom gave flavor names to the non-VT roles, so I don’t think there was anything for ghug to confuse. We’ve seen on Maniac’s flip that apparently VTs have flavor names, but weren’t informed of them—Maniac clearly had one, but I didn’t get one and I’m sure that Maniac didn’t either. It would be really strange for Tom to assign flavor names to all players but only tell them to the
non-VTs...

I knew ghug was claiming “Father Ghug, the Priest” from very early as an obvious
joke, and Godfather is the obvious punny continuation from that. I was vaguely hoping ghug was mafia and would fuck up his explanation, but since he didn’t, I think this is NAI.

However I think this makes Jamie one of my top town reads.
I also belatedly realized that BG would be an absolute madman to run this gambit as mafia, so BG is town as well.

[e.m.c^42]

Possibly a slip of some sort, but just as likely it's just speaking in context in response - but for the sake of Bungo's ego it's probably better that it's one over the other, lmao

[Jamiet99uk]

EEeewwwww

I thought you were going to bed.

I said I was going to bed soon.

You sound annoyed, Don Ghuggo. Try this little tip: When you pretend you are calm, and adopt the characteristics of a calm person, you'll convince yourself you're calm in no time.

[ghug]

I don’t think Tom gave flavor names to the non-VT roles, so I don’t think there was anything for ghug to confuse. We’ve seen on Maniac’s flip that apparently VTs have flavor names, but weren’t informed of them—Maniac clearly had one, but I didn’t get one and I’m sure that Maniac didn’t either. It would be really strange for Tom to assign flavor names to all players but only tell them to the
non-VTs...

I knew ghug was claiming “Father Ghug, the Priest” from very early as an obvious
joke, and Godfather is the obvious punny continuation from that. I was vaguely hoping ghug was mafia and would fuck up his explanation, but since he didn’t, I think this is NAI.

However I think this makes Jamie one of my top town reads.
I also belatedly realized that BG would be an absolute madman to run this gambit as mafia, so BG is town as well.

He did similar things to a teammate and a townie last game as scum.

[ghug]

EEeewwwww

I thought you were going to bed.

I said I was going to bed soon.

You sound annoyed, Don Ghuggo. Try this little tip: When you pretend you are calm, and adopt the characteristics of a calm person, you'll convince yourself you're calm in no time.

Honest question: why hasn't this worked for you?

[Jamiet99uk]

I don’t think Tom gave flavor names to the non-VT roles, so I don’t think there was anything for ghug to confuse. We’ve seen on Maniac’s flip that apparently VTs have flavor names, but weren’t informed of them—Maniac clearly had one, but I didn’t get one and I’m sure that Maniac didn’t either. It would be really strange for Tom to assign flavor names to all players but only tell them to the
non-VTs...

I knew ghug was claiming “Father Ghug, the Priest” from very early as an obvious
joke, and Godfather is the obvious punny continuation from that. I was vaguely hoping ghug was mafia and would fuck up his explanation, but since he didn’t, I think this is NAI.

However I think this makes Jamie one of my top town reads.
I also belatedly realized that BG would be an absolute madman to run this gambit as mafia, so BG is town as well.

Hercules, my friend, if you re-read the quote from Ghug that I included in my post, does it not seem to you that Ghug was very annoyed with BunnyGo, and not in fact in a calm or joking mood at all? His tone struck me as angry and tetchy. A strange time for jokes.

[Jamiet99uk]

I thought you were going to bed.

I said I was going to bed soon.

You sound annoyed, Don Ghuggo. Try this little tip: When you pretend you are calm, and adopt the characteristics of a calm person, you'll convince yourself you're calm in no time.

Honest question: why hasn't this worked for you?

I'm perfectly calm at the moment, thank you.

Goodnight.

[ghug]

I said I was going to bed soon.

You sound annoyed, Don Ghuggo. Try this little tip: When you pretend you are calm, and adopt the characteristics of a calm person, you'll convince yourself you're calm in no time.

Honest question: why hasn't this worked for you?

I'm perfectly calm at the moment, thank you.

Goodnight.

Sleep tight, babe.

[Jamiet99uk]

When I awake, I am sure that lots more people will be voting for Ghug.

Do not worry, Ghug. You tried your best, you just slipped up. It's only a game. Rub a generous amount of lavender oil into your temples, close your eyes, and imagine you are drifting gently on the surface of a calm lake.

Sweet dreams now.

[ghug]

I don’t think Tom gave flavor names to the non-VT roles, so I don’t think there was anything for ghug to confuse. We’ve seen on Maniac’s flip that apparently VTs have flavor names, but weren’t informed of them—Maniac clearly had one, but I didn’t get one and I’m sure that Maniac didn’t either. It would be really strange for Tom to assign flavor names to all players but only tell them to the
non-VTs...

I knew ghug was claiming “Father Ghug, the Priest” from very early as an obvious
joke, and Godfather is the obvious punny continuation from that. I was vaguely hoping ghug was mafia and would fuck up his explanation, but since he didn’t, I think this is NAI.

However I think this makes Jamie one of my top town reads.
I also belatedly realized that BG would be an absolute madman to run this gambit as mafia, so BG is town as well.

Hercules, my friend, if you re-read the quote from Ghug that I included in my post, does it not seem to you that Ghug was very annoyed with BunnyGo, and not in fact in a calm or joking mood at all? His tone struck me as angry and tetchy. A strange time for jokes.

You got annoyed at him too. You don't believe there's a good reason for me to be annoyed?