MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

2200 words on the dot. What the fuck is wrong with me.

Night all.

[aarodactyl]

@ghug I have a summary of PE's post, but I'd suggest just reading it. It felt very good and imo very towny.

Conclusions/TLDR
- Hellenic Riot very likely town
- If ND is also town then the stagnant ND wagon looks like the safe place for mafia to camp while shading the other wagons, which at least had a relatively high investment level. The Maniac wagon was also fine though, and mostly mafia would just pick whatever is safe and consistent.
- If ND is mafia then the Maniac wagon is where they ended up. Bussing is possible, but we can catch out bussers later when they don't start dying like they should. ND voters are probably town here.
- Demon is fine I was wrong earlier
- Chaqa town
- Jamie, Donny Dude, Bonatogether sus

[ghug]

Jesus christ dude

[ghug]

I feel like you could have said all of that with about half the words. Tryharding is tourny when you're chasing a scent, but you're not even drawing new conclusions on people.

[President Eden]

I feel like you could have said all of that with about half the words. Tryharding is tourny when you're chasing a scent, but you're not even drawing new conclusions on people.

Who was sussing Jamie before I posted? There’s been passing mentions of Donny and Bona but no one has pushed on either of them too much. (And I’ll acknowledge I didn’t push on Bona much either... yet)

[ghug]

I feel like you could have said all of that with about half the words. Tryharding is tourny when you're chasing a scent, but you're not even drawing new conclusions on people.

Who was sussing Jamie before I posted? There’s been passing mentions of Donny and Bona but no one has pushed on either of them too much. (And I’ll acknowledge I didn’t push on Bona much either... yet)

I assumed you already had all of those (plus a Demon one, which did evolve).

Your wagon analysis isn't leading to anything. Better?

Did you know that you picked two relative noobs and Jamie to scumread?

[Donny Dude]

Thoughts

Unless Nd is scum, I don't see the start of the HR wagon as being something scum would push unless there was some other concern of theirs at first. Maniac and nd were pretty much at an even split. Even then, maniac was still a viable candidate so no need to kick a third wagon into motion. This plus Hr looking townish to me means that this may have been a tv?vt. Although worcej's slot will hopefully become more able to be defined and help solve. Though this could change emc and brainbomb are more likely to be town than not from vc and above. I think even if nd is scum, maniac still had a viable chance anyways so the third one. I think if nd/worcej is town then this theory of mine does not hold as much weight. IT also assumes hr is town, but if scum then not pushed by scum on hr.
I think this has been said, but the nd and maniac wagons should be looked at in more detail.

[Donny Dude]

I feel like you could have said all of that with about half the words. Tryharding is tourny when you're chasing a scent, but you're not even drawing new conclusions on people.

Who was sussing Jamie before I posted? There’s been passing mentions of Donny and Bona but no one has pushed on either of them too much. (And I’ll acknowledge I didn’t push on Bona much either... yet)

I assumed you already had all of those (plus a Demon one, which did evolve).

Your wagon analysis isn't leading to anything. Better?

Did you know that you picked two relative noobs and Jamie to scumread?

I'm offended.

[President Eden]

I feel like you could have said all of that with about half the words. Tryharding is tourny when you're chasing a scent, but you're not even drawing new conclusions on people.

Who was sussing Jamie before I posted? There’s been passing mentions of Donny and Bona but no one has pushed on either of them too much. (And I’ll acknowledge I didn’t push on Bona much either... yet)

I assumed you already had all of those (plus a Demon one, which did evolve).

Your wagon analysis isn't leading to anything. Better?

Did you know that you picked two relative noobs and Jamie to scumread?

Not yet it isn’t. I could easily have written an obiwanobiwan level tome if I had infinite energy to analyze everything on day 1.

I didn’t “pick” suspects. I reread, and assessed my gut reactions from EOD, and confirmed a couple of suspicions while discarding another.

[ghug]

Who was sussing Jamie before I posted? There’s been passing mentions of Donny and Bona but no one has pushed on either of them too much. (And I’ll acknowledge I didn’t push on Bona much either... yet)

I assumed you already had all of those (plus a Demon one, which did evolve).

Your wagon analysis isn't leading to anything. Better?

Did you know that you picked two relative noobs and Jamie to scumread?

I'm offended.

At least I didn't call you Jamie

[ghug]

Who was sussing Jamie before I posted? There’s been passing mentions of Donny and Bona but no one has pushed on either of them too much. (And I’ll acknowledge I didn’t push on Bona much either... yet)

I assumed you already had all of those (plus a Demon one, which did evolve).

Your wagon analysis isn't leading to anything. Better?

Did you know that you picked two relative noobs and Jamie to scumread?

Not yet it isn’t. I could easily have written an obiwanobiwan level tome if I had infinite energy to analyze everything on day 1.

I didn’t “pick” suspects. I reread, and assessed my gut reactions from EOD, and confirmed a couple of suspicions while discarding another.

So could anyone.

Idk I'm probably just unimpressed with your style again. It appealed to me more when I was also a tryhardy teenager.

[Donny Dude]

I assumed you already had all of those (plus a Demon one, which did evolve).

Your wagon analysis isn't leading to anything. Better?

Did you know that you picked two relative noobs and Jamie to scumread?

I'm offended.

At least I didn't call you Jamie

That's true.

[bozotheclown]

Another interesting thing I noticed about M49 is that D1 came down to me vs. ND
where ND was scum. ND had the lowest D1 post count, was absent at EOD, and never posted again after D1, being replaced N1. Also, his replacement survived until the end of the game.

Is this a low effort attempt to scum read my slot because it happened once before?

Why are you disparaging my post by calling it low effort?

[bozotheclown]

Looks like I have small shoes to fill.

Was the wagon on my former self justified in any way?

Yes, ND had not voted so he knew he was going to get subbed, so getting subbed for not meeting the voting requirement could have been his way of avoiding asking to be subbed D1 as scum have done in the past 2 games.

Looks like I got my question answered.

Is this the best theory you have to push atm bozo?

Yes, I think it might be, between the correlation of scum subbing out D1 and the similarities of ND's D1 to his D1 in M49.

Also, you making a priority of trying to discredit ND voters does not look good:

GM NOTE:

WORCEJ HAS REPLACED ND

Looks like I have small shoes to fill.

Was the wagon on my former self justified in any way?

Looks like I have small shoes to fill.

Was the wagon on my former self justified in any way?

Just the lurking and the memes

So no...

Never change webDip... never change...

[bozotheclown]

Looks like I have small shoes to fill.

Was the wagon on my former self justified in any way?

Yes, ND had not voted so he knew he was going to get subbed, so getting subbed for not meeting the voting requirement could have been his way of avoiding asking to be subbed D1 as scum have done in the past 2 games.

Bozo does you latest at the time of writing this post prove or dissprove your nd theory?

Sorry, I do not understand what you are asking here.

[Vecna]

guys im lurking because im a PR, NK please

[damo666]

Strongest townreads: PE HR Chaqa Jamie

Scumreads: none yet

In isolation I don't think we can learn that much from D1 voting. However if we flip Worcej that could be very helpful so in the absence of any major event I will be voting worcej tomorrow assuming I survive the night.

If you are vt Worcej I know you will understand. I am gambling you are not town PR (I'm hoping ND would have made more of an effort).

[damo666]

guys im lurking because im a PR, NK please

If you are town this is not helpful regardless of role.

[damo666]

Worcej replacing ND..

Loving the irony.

Explain the irony?

It's lost. Never mind. Not important.

[damo666]

guys im lurking because im a PR, NK please

If you are town this is not helpful regardless of role.

In fact if Vecna is not the NK he may be an interesting counter wagon to Worcej.