MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[e.m.c^42]

Vecna, are you back in a vaguely lucid state of reality? We do miss your scintillating personality awfully so, myself all the more than usual.

[aarodactyl]

You see everything I see.

Ghug I'm slightly suspicious of. Yes he disliked the style of play, but why overreact? Why claim godfather?

Why ignore me? Why respond to me? Some thoughts:

1) Ignoring me means you either don't know what's going on and decide to keep your head down, or know what's going on and want to see where it goes.

2) Why engage? Could be town motivated, but I don't see why. Town generally likes things to be shaken up. More often you're scum and want to keep yourself and your teammates from getting swept up.

So I need to go reread eventually and see who exactly said what in what order, but those were my prepared hypotheses for the experiment.

I've gotten pretty annoyed at everyone who's done this recently. I wasn't particularly kind to you when you were lying about GM communication last game, and that was less egregious than this to me. I PMed worcej suggesting clarifications on the town PM to help scum when I was town. Don't call it an overreaction just because you don't think what you did was wrong.

I claimed godfather because it was the first scum role that came to mind that fit my flavor name.

You'll note I did respond to you every time you brought it up. I flipped a shit the third or fourth time when it became clear you were actually serious and I found it objectionable.

All fair as well. I'm not saying you're objectively wrong, I'm saying that it hasn't been a standardized rule and I don't think anyone can say I'm objectively wrong either.

You're objectively wrong

[aarodactyl]

It's not against the rules to lie or mislead about the contents of your role PM.

The manner in which you did so is tantamount to accusing the GM of fucking up, as I explained in detail before, because you are claiming that the GM sent information to you that they did not send to other people. That's impossible to explicitly prove or disprove without GM intervention which the GM is not going to do because that would break the game.

You may not technically have broken the rules as they are currently written but your behaviour is extremely distasteful and rather unkind to the GM. I think we will now have to review these rules after this game because of people like you who don't get this.

The method in which I did it was tantamount to baiting someone not knowing what was in the PMs. Anyone who knew would know that I was full of it. Anyone not paying attention wouldn't. I accused the GM of nothing.

You did last game

[BunnyGo]

You're objectively wrong

[ghug]

I've gotten pretty annoyed at everyone who's done this recently. I wasn't particularly kind to you when you were lying about GM communication last game, and that was less egregious than this to me. I PMed worcej suggesting clarifications on the town PM to help scum when I was town. Don't call it an overreaction just because you don't think what you did was wrong.

I claimed godfather because it was the first scum role that came to mind that fit my flavor name.

You'll note I did respond to you every time you brought it up. I flipped a shit the third or fourth time when it became clear you were actually serious and I found it objectionable.

All fair as well. I'm not saying you're objectively wrong, I'm saying that it hasn't been a standardized rule and I don't think anyone can say I'm objectively wrong either.

You're objectively wrong

+1 this post

[Chaqa]

I'll ##Vote Maniac

I don't want ND to be Day 1'd twice in a row. That's a dick move.

You never seem to have this reservation with NK'ing the same people early over and over again

This isn't really true.

[Jamiet99uk]

I've looked back and I don't understand what it is that President Eden wants me to answer.

I want your read on Maniac:

Sorry what did you ask me, PE, that I haven't answered? I missed your question.

Oh I just wanted to know how you felt about Maniac at this point. He appears to be the main counterwagon to ND.

Oh, I see. Sorry, yes. I continue to hate Maniac's "rules", that opinion is unchanged. But also I continue to fear that this is just Maniac-the-bad-townie because I've certainly seen that before. There was a game, only a couple of
games ago, where Maniac was a Vengeful (a town PR that can kill someone *after* they die), and I was a Doc, and Maniac spent an entire day phase loudly demanding to be the centre of attention - a day which was almost completely wasted as a result, and then during the Night phase I had to use my Docsave to protect myself because I *knew* Maniac would try to kill me with his Vengeful power, which indeed he did. So his cock-stroking ego-fest wasted a day and night of my time and I fear that Maniac's "rule 1" would just subject us to that again. Sadly, none of this is scum-indicative for Maniac, just egotistical idiot-indicative.

[Jamiet99uk]

@ghug @Jamie @celaph @durga

will you move your vote if ND reappears?

It would depend what ND does upon his re-appearance.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Hellenic Riot:

You voted me out of nowhere, having not mentioned me even once prior to your naked vote.

Please explain yourself.

[damo666]

Damo looks very sketchy so far.

@Damo: Could you explain your vote for Maniac, and provide an update on your current thoughts about Bozo? Thanks.

My vote on Maniac is due to his rules nonsense and also I think his methods aren't helpful to town even if he is town.

I was wary of Bozo because of the colours and his abnormal light-heartedness however I think the colours was some mad dark mode = scum nonsense theory he was investigating (or spoofing?) and the light-heartedness is NAI (actually probably tending townwards because as scum he would be conscious to not be abnormal). Summary: defo not a D1 DK.

Damo are you scum again?

No ghug.

[e.m.c^42]

For some reason tempted to vote vecna, light of my life, darlin' of my heart.

[damo666]

@ghug @Jamie @celaph @durga

will you move your vote if ND reappears?

That depends on what content is delivered

Good answer

[ghug]

My vote on Maniac is due to his rules nonsense and also I think his methods aren't helpful to town even if he is town.

I was wary of Bozo because of the colours and his abnormal light-heartedness however I think the colours was some mad dark mode = scum nonsense theory he was investigating (or spoofing?) and the light-heartedness is NAI (actually probably tending townwards because as scum he would be conscious to not be abnormal). Summary: defo not a D1 DK.

Damo are you scum again?

No ghug.

Just wanted to check, thanks.

[e.m.c^42]

For some reason tempted to vote vecna, light of my life, darlin' of my heart.

Or HR, actually. He hasn't nibbled at anyone much at all.

[aarodactyl]

I don't think that's a bad kill just because of how starkly different the openings are from M62 to now, but I'm hesitant about going for it while NYE is causing activity noise. If he doesn't come back by day 2 I'd join it, but the only reason to be suspicious of him is inactivity, and there's a pretty reasonable NAI explanation for it right now.

To be fair, their D1 last game got them townread and then DKed anyways. My theory is they're lurking for D1 and then are going to get much more active once there's info to go off of and not just personality.

[damo666]

@ghug @Jamie @celaph @durga

will you move your vote if ND reappears?

It would depend what ND does upon his re-appearance.

OK

[aarodactyl]

It's just amusing Chaqa bc when you're town you lurk and usually just get miskilled and you don't put any effort into the game, whereas ghug might get most things wrong but at least he tries?

Lmao I'm not claiming to be perfect but most things wrong is harsh.

I think there is a lot of bias due to how much you tunneled on my last game. And IMO, that's what let Chaqa win.

[ghug]

@ghug @Jamie @celaph @durga

will you move your vote if ND reappears?

It would depend what ND does upon his re-appearance.

OK

You like this answer from Durga but not Jamie?

[damo666]

It would depend what ND does upon his re-appearance.

OK

You like this answer from Durga but not Jamie?

Like'em both. And yours.

[ghug]

It's just amusing Chaqa bc when you're town you lurk and usually just get miskilled and you don't put any effort into the game, whereas ghug might get most things wrong but at least he tries?

Lmao I'm not claiming to be perfect but most things wrong is harsh.

I think there is a lot of bias due to how much you tunneled on my last game. And IMO, that's what let Chaqa win.

I was wrong to tunnel you, but there were also several miskills that I wasn't super happy with, so it's not really reasonable to put it all on me just because I was last.

My townreading Chaqa was more problematic, really.