M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[kgray]

I just caught up on the last couple of pages. I’m typically busier on the weekends and to be honest, I’m feeling a bit burnt out.

It didn’t seem like there was too much to respond to. Mostly I’m glad that bozo isn’t tunneling on me anymore. However, it is weird to me that the tunnel when it did. It could be a ploy to appear more town now that weren’t able to miskill me (and after flum said to examine bozo with their dying breath).

I also don’t think I commented on the last NK. That was honestly because I’m tired of having all of my posts over examined. I think it’s super weird to kill celaph there. I know this is WIFOM but I would have 100% killed Ghug. (I think bozo just said this as well).

I still think kgray and Ghug are town so it brings it down to bozo and Chaqa for me.

##vote chaqa

I know this is your first game here, but kgray and ghug are 2 of the best scum players who play on this site, and both have demonstrated the ability to maintain high post counts as scum.

Alright well if you're going to try to use fear tactics then I'll just point out that last game when I was scum, the following people were all onto me: Vecna, Flum, HR, ghug and Rivera. This game, Rivera was townreading me, Vecna basically said he was more sure I'm town then he's ever been of a townread, and HR and Flum didn't even consider it a possibility that I'm scum. And now I'm ghug's strongest townread.

So if I'm scum again this game then I'm not just one of the best scum players on this site, I'm suddenly, after one game, the best scum player anywhere. And if you're town, bozo, then I guess I'll try to focus on being flattered that you think so highly of my scumgame instead of being frustrated that you're locked into this tunnel.

[kgray]

It just confuses me how we can have wildly different reads on the situation.

Why do you think aaro is town, Chaqa?

Well, There’s only one scum left.

I’m pretty sure ghug is the Priest, so he’s town.

I think you or Bozo is the last scum based on VCA. So there leaves aero town.

If I’m wrong about you both then I’ll take the blame for aero winning.

I think if aaro is scum then I'm the one who takes the blame for the loss...

[bozotheclown]

What about your VCA about me D1:

Okay but teacon joining bozo on Jamie's wagon is the most compelling thing I've seen to townread someone so far this game. I just don't see scum teammates doing that (even if Jamie is scum and it was a bus).

Yeah I still think you get townie points for it. It's somewhat less convincing because Jamie was scum, though, and I also still think the way you excused Jamie for ignoring that but shaded Vecna and damo is suspicious and not like you.

If you were in M1009 you would understand. In any case, I was still suspecting Jamie for other things, so if I was bussing him, why would I not include that as a reason?

[bozotheclown]

How do you not fucking know I think it's aaro by now, Chaqa?

Kgray is the towniest player alive. Bozo is my next bet if I'm wrong on aaro.

You shouldn't underestimate kgray.

Oh my god bozo stop saying this shit please. Did you follow last game at all after you were killed?

no

[bozotheclown]

Yuck. This doesn't feel like town!teacon from last game at all.

Can you tell me why you did not think teacon would say this as town?

Because even with Jamie's flip I think you voting for bo because he subbed out is a really weak reason to scumread someone and it didn't seem like the kind of thing teacon would have gone for last game. In that game, even D1, teacon seemed to think through things more carefully and he had real reasons to scumread people.

Why didn't you point out my poor reason when I voted for Jamie D1?

[bozotheclown]

You shouldn't underestimate kgray.

Oh my god bozo stop saying this shit please. Did you follow last game at all after you were killed?

no

I do know you survived until the end and won as scum.

[kgray]

What about your VCA about me D1:

Yeah I still think you get townie points for it. It's somewhat less convincing because Jamie was scum, though, and I also still think the way you excused Jamie for ignoring that but shaded Vecna and damo is suspicious and not like you.

If you were in M1009 you would understand. In any case, I was still suspecting Jamie for other things, so if I was bussing him, why would I not include that as a reason?

We were talking about it D2, and you never voted for Jamie that day. Maybe because if you had more reasons to be suspicious of him, you'd have to lock it all in with a vote. Or maybe it's because you're town and you really believed town!Jamie would be so locked into his tunnel that he wouldn't care about the oddity of teacon following your vote. I don't know. But I still can't get over the fact that you think I'd defend you like that as scum, especially doing it in a way that cast suspicion on both Jamie and damo. It's bonkers.

[ghug]

Oh my god bozo stop saying this shit please. Did you follow last game at all after you were killed?

no

I do know you survived until the end and won as scum.

Only because town had the misfortune of Jamie being town.

[bozotheclown]

damo voting for me after Jamie did was odd, but if he was distancing from kgray, he could have been trying to slow the momentum on her wagon. If so, it worked, as I was up to 6 votes at a time that kgray only had 3.

I really can't believe you think I'd go so far out of my way, as scum, to protect you when you were a competing wagon to me.

Well, it probably kept me from voting for you D2 after I switched to Balki, and 3 scum voted for me, so it could have been distancing from them.

[ghug]

Ok, where I'm at is that Chaqa is his typical dumb, wrong self. kgray has entirely changed back to how she was playing in the other game I saw her as town, and played as scum in ways that matched how she told me she would play as scum, so this would have to be the biggest unexpected meta turnaround ever. If she's scum, she deserves to win this. Bozo appears to be putting real effort into hunting right now, even if you don't like what he's saying.

It's aaro.

[bozotheclown]

My first instinct is to $$vote celaph as a tribute to our fallen comrade Bonatogether. May he rest in peace.

My second instinct is to ##vote Flum here, though perhaps my ego not wanting to be wrong about aaro is weighing on me. Probably worth some review. Of the three you listed (obviously not considering me), I think I kill Chaqa last for the argument I made last night. I'm also not completely sold on town Bozo yet, but for now will bow to people with superior wisdom.

I doubt Chaqa would kill celaph, celaph's most recent position on Chaqa was a town read.

And celaph's most recent post was that he'd kill you. So if we're doing this, you get scumpoints for it.

True, that is why I do not think aarodactyl would kill celaph.

[Chaqa]

I keep going back to Day 1.

Kgray was on Teacon when it was 5-4-4 (teacon-ND-Maniac).

She leaves to vote Bunny with Balki. This itself is not necessarily scummy.

Eight minutes later, it's now 5-5-3 (teacon-ND-Maniac).

Kgray votes... FOR ND.

When she had been on the teacon wagon previously.

Kgray on voting preferences and teacon and ND:

Why didn't you ask me that?

You're being pretty open with your thoughts, wherewas I'm getting less with which to read HR.

Why teacon over ND and Maniac?

Well I was also pretty open in listing 5 people who I'd vote for, and teacon wasn't on that list. I'm pretty surprised you didn't mention that.

I don't get the argument for scum!Maniac and although I'd be perfectly fine with ND dying and I do scumread him, teacon feels better right now. I hated his vote for Jamie and he feels really different from last game.

Just... I don't follow the logic of the Day 1 votes.

If you were moving back to a main wagon, why did you not go back to teacon?

Sheeping off teacon onto a Balki-led Bunny wagon, then moving back to ND... it's the most clear evidence of someone trying to save teacon we have.

Personally I think we should have DK'd you on principle days ago.

[kgray]

Can you tell me why you did not think teacon would say this as town?

Because even with Jamie's flip I think you voting for bo because he subbed out is a really weak reason to scumread someone and it didn't seem like the kind of thing teacon would have gone for last game. In that game, even D1, teacon seemed to think through things more carefully and he had real reasons to scumread people.

Why didn't you point out my poor reason when I voted for Jamie D1?

Because I didn't think that it was scummy coming from you. I think I said this...?

[Chaqa]

Ok, where I'm at is that Chaqa is his typical dumb, wrong self. kgray has entirely changed back to how she was playing in the other game I saw her as town, and played as scum in ways that matched how she told me she would play as scum, so this would have to be the biggest unexpected meta turnaround ever. If she's scum, she deserves to win this. Bozo appears to be putting real effort into hunting right now, even if you don't like what he's saying.

It's aaro.

I really think it's Kgray. I was scum with her last game and I don't think we can possibly overestimate her skill.

[bozotheclown]

Aww, I'd have killed you too

I do not think NKing ghug would have been kgray's best option as scum, since her mis-kill targets would likely be me and aarodactyl. kgray could have NKed celaph to make today me vs. aarodactyl, where kgray might have expected to be the deciding vote, with myself and ghug voting for aarodactyl and Chaqa and aarodactyl voting for me. If she voted me out, she could NK Chaqa next to go into D10 with aarodactyl and ghug. This possibility is what concerns me about kgray potentially pocketing aarodactyl. This post may also be an example of her pocketing ghug.

I'm offended that you think I'd take ghug to the final 3 as scum.

aarodactyl and ghug seem like a good combination for you as scum.

[kgray]

damo voting for me after Jamie did was odd, but if he was distancing from kgray, he could have been trying to slow the momentum on her wagon. If so, it worked, as I was up to 6 votes at a time that kgray only had 3.

I really can't believe you think I'd go so far out of my way, as scum, to protect you when you were a competing wagon to me.

Well, it probably kept me from voting for you D2 after I switched to Balki, and 3 scum voted for me, so it could have been distancing from them.

No my dude, it's because you were my strongest townread. There's not a bigger conspiracy here

[Chaqa]

I do not think NKing ghug would have been kgray's best option as scum, since her mis-kill targets would likely be me and aarodactyl. kgray could have NKed celaph to make today me vs. aarodactyl, where kgray might have expected to be the deciding vote, with myself and ghug voting for aarodactyl and Chaqa and aarodactyl voting for me. If she voted me out, she could NK Chaqa next to go into D10 with aarodactyl and ghug. This possibility is what concerns me about kgray potentially pocketing aarodactyl. This post may also be an example of her pocketing ghug.

I'm offended that you think I'd take ghug to the final 3 as scum.

aarodactyl and ghug seem like a good combination for you as scum.

If we get it right today we won't need to worry about F3.

[bozotheclown]

Yeah I still think you get townie points for it. It's somewhat less convincing because Jamie was scum, though, and I also still think the way you excused Jamie for ignoring that but shaded Vecna and damo is suspicious and not like you.

If you were in M1009 you would understand. In any case, I was still suspecting Jamie for other things, so if I was bussing him, why would I not include that as a reason?

We were talking about it D2, and you never voted for Jamie that day. Maybe because if you had more reasons to be suspicious of him, you'd have to lock it all in with a vote. Or maybe it's because you're town and you really believed town!Jamie would be so locked into his tunnel that he wouldn't care about the oddity of teacon following your vote. I don't know. But I still can't get over the fact that you think I'd defend you like that as scum, especially doing it in a way that cast suspicion on both Jamie and damo. It's bonkers.

I think it would make sense for you to distance from Jamie and damo.

[kgray]

Ok, where I'm at is that Chaqa is his typical dumb, wrong self. kgray has entirely changed back to how she was playing in the other game I saw her as town, and played as scum in ways that matched how she told me she would play as scum, so this would have to be the biggest unexpected meta turnaround ever. If she's scum, she deserves to win this. Bozo appears to be putting real effort into hunting right now, even if you don't like what he's saying.

It's aaro.

I'm back to thinking you're right about bozo... But why can't Chaqa be his typical dumb self and also be scum? I just don't get why people think he could only act this way as town.

[kgray]

I keep going back to Day 1.

Kgray was on Teacon when it was 5-4-4 (teacon-ND-Maniac).

She leaves to vote Bunny with Balki. This itself is not necessarily scummy.

Eight minutes later, it's now 5-5-3 (teacon-ND-Maniac).

Kgray votes... FOR ND.

When she had been on the teacon wagon previously.

Kgray on voting preferences and teacon and ND:

You're being pretty open with your thoughts, wherewas I'm getting less with which to read HR.

Why teacon over ND and Maniac?

Well I was also pretty open in listing 5 people who I'd vote for, and teacon wasn't on that list. I'm pretty surprised you didn't mention that.

I don't get the argument for scum!Maniac and although I'd be perfectly fine with ND dying and I do scumread him, teacon feels better right now. I hated his vote for Jamie and he feels really different from last game.

Just... I don't follow the logic of the Day 1 votes.

If you were moving back to a main wagon, why did you not go back to teacon?

Sheeping off teacon onto a Balki-led Bunny wagon, then moving back to ND... it's the most clear evidence of someone trying to save teacon we have.

Personally I think we should have DK'd you on principle days ago.

Please read my posts from D2 where I've explained this over and over and over. I'm not doing it again.