M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[bozotheclown]

I think we should make aaro, celaph, Chaqa, and Flum vote before anyone else tips their hand.

My first instinct is to $$vote celaph as a tribute to our fallen comrade Bonatogether. May he rest in peace.

My second instinct is to ##vote Flum here, though perhaps my ego not wanting to be wrong about aaro is weighing on me. Probably worth some review. Of the three you listed (obviously not considering me), I think I kill Chaqa last for the argument I made last night. I'm also not completely sold on town Bozo yet, but for now will bow to people with superior wisdom.

I doubt Chaqa would kill celaph, celaph's most recent position on Chaqa was a town read.

[Chaqa]

How do you not fucking know I think it's aaro by now, Chaqa?

Kgray is the towniest player alive. Bozo is my next bet if I'm wrong on aaro.

It just confuses me how we can have wildly different reads on the situation.

How does VCA make you think I am scum?

I explained this several times. Go read my VCA posts on the bot

[bozotheclown]

It doesn't seem likely aarodactyl would kill celaph when he was likely to vote for me today, although aarodactyl might have wanted celaph eliminated before D10. aarodactyl could have NKed ghug and gotten me mis-killed today, then gone into D10 with Chaqa and kgray, but it is not impossible he reversed celaph and ghug so that a ghug NK did not implicate him today.

[bozotheclown]

It just confuses me how we can have wildly different reads on the situation.

How does VCA make you think I am scum?

I explained this several times. Go read my VCA posts on the bot

The most recent I found was D5:

Bozo does not look too great based on VCA. Reasoning:
1. Voted with Teacon for Jamiet Day 1
2. Voted for by Yoyo Day 1
3. Voted with Bunny on Day 2

However, you did not explain why you think these things are scum indicative. Why do you think I would be likely as scum to vote with teacon D1 on a 2 vote wagon for another scum, and vote with BunnyGo D2 on a 2 vote wagon for town?

[bozotheclown]

Remaining suspects with a very quick-hit VCA of the relevant days

Aerodactyl
Day 1 - Votes limited to Flum and ND. Only voted for by Flum.
Day 2 - Nothing strikes me super suspicious here, at least for scum connections.
Day 5 - Damo voter through and through.

Bozo
Day 1 - Previously stated vote connections to Jamiet and Yoyo.
Day 2 - Jamie cast a vote on Yoyo on Day 2, then on Bozo, before eventually winding up on Maniac and then brain. A bit suspicious to me. Yoyo also voted for him Day 2 at one point, as did damo.
Day 5 - Basically drove the Damo wagon (with ghug, I guess). Either town or heavy bussing.

Celaph
Day 1 - Cast one single vote against Maniac. None against.
Day 2 - Voted for Yoyo before switching to HB.
Day 5 - Joined damo wagon and didn't leave. Town+

Flum
Day 1 - Cast several votes before settling on teacon. Had a few assorted votes againat him.
Day 2 - Voted for Yoyo for a bit (to be fair lots of people were).
Day 5 - Seemed relucant to join the main wagons. Joined damo once it was in the lead when he could have tied it up. Town++

Ghug
Day 1 - Primarily on the ND wagon. No obvious links to any of the scum on D1.
Day 2 - Nothing strikes me as suspicious about his D2.
Day 5 - Day 5 is where I find the most suspicious ghug behavior. He did start the damo wagon, but then left it to help kickstart the celaph wagon. I'm not immediately sure scum!ghug would do this in that situation, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.

K. G. Ray, Esq.
Day 1 - Most suspicious thing with her is the flip off the teacon wagon, then to Bunny, then to ND. It's very odd to me that she left the teacon wagon, only to not return to it and instead go to ND.
Day 2 - Had a very brief vote on damo at one point. Damo also sat his vote on her for *nearly* the entire day.
Day 5 - More or less steadfast on Damo wagon.


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Based on this and the general reads I had already, I would rank people like this:

Scum

Kgray
Bozo
Aero
ghug
Celaph
Flum

Town

Some of these are a bit arbitrary. I rank Bozo high due to VCA and my suspicion he would be willing to bus. Flum is still my strongest townread, but at this point I basically think anyone could be a deep-cover scum.

##Vote kgray

I missed this from D8. Why do you think it is likely 3 scum bussed me D2?

[bozotheclown]

Hmm, I suppose that's plausible.

What do you make of the celaph kill?

tbh I was pretty shocked it wasn't you. I don't think celaph was a likely miskill so that part makes sense, but all things considered I wasn't expecting it.

In terms of it implicating someone... I feel like the person I'm most concerned about based on celaph being the NK is you. But I think I'm missing some things, and I'm not putting much stock into "who would NK who" arguments.

I would have 1000% NKed you last night, for the record.

I think NKing kgray would have made sense for ghug, but no one had ghug as their top scum suspect, so he could have NKed celaph if he was looking for the last PR.

[aarodactyl]

I just caught up on the last couple of pages. I’m typically busier on the weekends and to be honest, I’m feeling a bit burnt out.

It didn’t seem like there was too much to respond to. Mostly I’m glad that bozo isn’t tunneling on me anymore. However, it is weird to me that the tunnel when it did. It could be a ploy to appear more town now that weren’t able to miskill me (and after flum said to examine bozo with their dying breath).

I also don’t think I commented on the last NK. That was honestly because I’m tired of having all of my posts over examined. I think it’s super weird to kill celaph there. I know this is WIFOM but I would have 100% killed Ghug. (I think bozo just said this as well).

I still think kgray and Ghug are town so it brings it down to bozo and Chaqa for me.

##vote chaqa

[bozotheclown]

tbh I was pretty shocked it wasn't you. I don't think celaph was a likely miskill so that part makes sense, but all things considered I wasn't expecting it.

In terms of it implicating someone... I feel like the person I'm most concerned about based on celaph being the NK is you. But I think I'm missing some things, and I'm not putting much stock into "who would NK who" arguments.

I would have 1000% NKed you last night, for the record.

Aww, I'd have killed you too

I do not think NKing ghug would have been kgray's best option as scum, since her mis-kill targets would likely be me and aarodactyl. kgray could have NKed celaph to make today me vs. aarodactyl, where kgray might have expected to be the deciding vote, with myself and ghug voting for aarodactyl and Chaqa and aarodactyl voting for me. If she voted me out, she could NK Chaqa next to go into D10 with aarodactyl and ghug. This possibility is what concerns me about kgray potentially pocketing aarodactyl. This post may also be an example of her pocketing ghug.

[kgray]

VCA has been pointing at kgray or Bozo.

My gut tells me Bozo more than kgray.

Ghug is probably town.

Aero is the wildcard for me. I don’t have a solid handle on him since I largely go off VCA and meta and I haven’t played with him bfore

I guess I already know the answer to this, but I'd like you to confirm that by "VCA points to kgray" you mean that you think it's likely that I got the teacon wagon going but then did a suspicious-looking switch off of him and onto my other scum teammate and then finally left my vote on town when it was still possible that teacon would be killed and I'd lose all the credit I could have gotten for busing him. And please also consider Flum's opinion on this - I'm not asking you to sheep him, but just think about what he said about that.

You can just +1 this post if you really think I'd do that as scum.

I’m voting Bozo currently.

Well thanks for the karma I guess

[kgray]

What about your VCA about me D1:

I think youre vastly underestimating the amount of history some people here have with Bozo.

Okay but teacon joining bozo on Jamie's wagon is the most compelling thing I've seen to townread someone so far this game. I just don't see scum teammates doing that (even if Jamie is scum and it was a bus).

Yeah I still think you get townie points for it. It's somewhat less convincing because Jamie was scum, though, and I also still think the way you excused Jamie for ignoring that but shaded Vecna and damo is suspicious and not like you.

[bozotheclown]

I just caught up on the last couple of pages. I’m typically busier on the weekends and to be honest, I’m feeling a bit burnt out.

It didn’t seem like there was too much to respond to. Mostly I’m glad that bozo isn’t tunneling on me anymore. However, it is weird to me that the tunnel when it did. It could be a ploy to appear more town now that weren’t able to miskill me (and after flum said to examine bozo with their dying breath).

I also don’t think I commented on the last NK. That was honestly because I’m tired of having all of my posts over examined. I think it’s super weird to kill celaph there. I know this is WIFOM but I would have 100% killed Ghug. (I think bozo just said this as well).

I still think kgray and Ghug are town so it brings it down to bozo and Chaqa for me.

##vote chaqa

I know this is your first game here, but kgray and ghug are 2 of the best scum players who play on this site, and both have demonstrated the ability to maintain high post counts as scum.

[kgray]

The tone of this post make me scum read you more than town read you.

lmao so now you care about tone... When it's convenient for you to push a miskill. But when it's a reason to townread someone, you'll ignore it.

Cool bozo.

If I were scum, why do you think I would try to push a mis-kill of you?

As opposed to pushing a miskill of someone else? Presumably because Chaqa is suspicious of me for my D1 voting and because ghug said I need to be looked at more.

[kgray]

You don’t think it’s Bozo or kgray?

Flum seemed to think it’s Bozo. I think it’s one of those two.

How do you not fucking know I think it's aaro by now, Chaqa?

Kgray is the towniest player alive. Bozo is my next bet if I'm wrong on aaro.

You shouldn't underestimate kgray.

Oh my god bozo stop saying this shit please. Did you follow last game at all after you were killed?

[kgray]

damo voting for me after Jamie did was odd, but if he was distancing from kgray, he could have been trying to slow the momentum on her wagon. If so, it worked, as I was up to 6 votes at a time that kgray only had 3.

I really can't believe you think I'd go so far out of my way, as scum, to protect you when you were a competing wagon to me.

[kgray]

That makes a lot of sense. Better than the rest of the subjective d1 crapshoot elimination. ##vote jamiet

Yuck. This doesn't feel like town!teacon from last game at all.

Can you tell me why you did not think teacon would say this as town?

Because even with Jamie's flip I think you voting for bo because he subbed out is a really weak reason to scumread someone and it didn't seem like the kind of thing teacon would have gone for last game. In that game, even D1, teacon seemed to think through things more carefully and he had real reasons to scumread people.

[kgray]

You don’t think it’s Bozo or kgray?

Flum seemed to think it’s Bozo. I think it’s one of those two.

How do you not fucking know I think it's aaro by now, Chaqa?

Kgray is the towniest player alive. Bozo is my next bet if I'm wrong on aaro.

It just confuses me how we can have wildly different reads on the situation.

Why do you think aaro is town, Chaqa?

[Chaqa]

Remaining suspects with a very quick-hit VCA of the relevant days

Aerodactyl
Day 1 - Votes limited to Flum and ND. Only voted for by Flum.
Day 2 - Nothing strikes me super suspicious here, at least for scum connections.
Day 5 - Damo voter through and through.

Bozo
Day 1 - Previously stated vote connections to Jamiet and Yoyo.
Day 2 - Jamie cast a vote on Yoyo on Day 2, then on Bozo, before eventually winding up on Maniac and then brain. A bit suspicious to me. Yoyo also voted for him Day 2 at one point, as did damo.
Day 5 - Basically drove the Damo wagon (with ghug, I guess). Either town or heavy bussing.

Celaph
Day 1 - Cast one single vote against Maniac. None against.
Day 2 - Voted for Yoyo before switching to HB.
Day 5 - Joined damo wagon and didn't leave. Town+

Flum
Day 1 - Cast several votes before settling on teacon. Had a few assorted votes againat him.
Day 2 - Voted for Yoyo for a bit (to be fair lots of people were).
Day 5 - Seemed relucant to join the main wagons. Joined damo once it was in the lead when he could have tied it up. Town++

Ghug
Day 1 - Primarily on the ND wagon. No obvious links to any of the scum on D1.
Day 2 - Nothing strikes me as suspicious about his D2.
Day 5 - Day 5 is where I find the most suspicious ghug behavior. He did start the damo wagon, but then left it to help kickstart the celaph wagon. I'm not immediately sure scum!ghug would do this in that situation, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.

K. G. Ray, Esq.
Day 1 - Most suspicious thing with her is the flip off the teacon wagon, then to Bunny, then to ND. It's very odd to me that she left the teacon wagon, only to not return to it and instead go to ND.
Day 2 - Had a very brief vote on damo at one point. Damo also sat his vote on her for *nearly* the entire day.
Day 5 - More or less steadfast on Damo wagon.


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Based on this and the general reads I had already, I would rank people like this:

Scum

Kgray
Bozo
Aero
ghug
Celaph
Flum

Town

Some of these are a bit arbitrary. I rank Bozo high due to VCA and my suspicion he would be willing to bus. Flum is still my strongest townread, but at this point I basically think anyone could be a deep-cover scum.

##Vote kgray

I missed this from D8. Why do you think it is likely 3 scum bussed me D2?

I don’t necessarily think an exact number bussed, but in general I’ve always found scum vote for their teammates early to distance themselves. Or, the sometimes completely avoid them.

[kgray]

I think we should make aaro, celaph, Chaqa, and Flum vote before anyone else tips their hand.

My first instinct is to $$vote celaph as a tribute to our fallen comrade Bonatogether. May he rest in peace.

My second instinct is to ##vote Flum here, though perhaps my ego not wanting to be wrong about aaro is weighing on me. Probably worth some review. Of the three you listed (obviously not considering me), I think I kill Chaqa last for the argument I made last night. I'm also not completely sold on town Bozo yet, but for now will bow to people with superior wisdom.

I doubt Chaqa would kill celaph, celaph's most recent position on Chaqa was a town read.

And celaph's most recent post was that he'd kill you. So if we're doing this, you get scumpoints for it.

[Chaqa]

How do you not fucking know I think it's aaro by now, Chaqa?

Kgray is the towniest player alive. Bozo is my next bet if I'm wrong on aaro.

It just confuses me how we can have wildly different reads on the situation.

Why do you think aaro is town, Chaqa?

Well, There’s only one scum left.

I’m pretty sure ghug is the Priest, so he’s town.

I think you or Bozo is the last scum based on VCA. So there leaves aero town.

If I’m wrong about you both then I’ll take the blame for aero winning.

[kgray]

I would have 1000% NKed you last night, for the record.

Aww, I'd have killed you too

I do not think NKing ghug would have been kgray's best option as scum, since her mis-kill targets would likely be me and aarodactyl. kgray could have NKed celaph to make today me vs. aarodactyl, where kgray might have expected to be the deciding vote, with myself and ghug voting for aarodactyl and Chaqa and aarodactyl voting for me. If she voted me out, she could NK Chaqa next to go into D10 with aarodactyl and ghug. This possibility is what concerns me about kgray potentially pocketing aarodactyl. This post may also be an example of her pocketing ghug.

I'm offended that you think I'd take ghug to the final 3 as scum.