M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[ghug]

I mean it's clearly a result of him running out of time to post before the deadline. I don't see how it's alignment indicative at all. And I think the idea that teacon would deliberately put one teammate into each of his categories is silly.

I think forgetting someone when you're scum suggests that that person is a townie. He'd be putting more thought into where he put his teammates, as is demonstrated by how spaced out the five scum we have are.

Yeah I see your point. Maybe. Or maybe he was putting thought into where he put his teammates but he still ran out of time to sort bozo. Last game when I did EON reads I usually placed damo and Bunny last so I could see where it made sense to but them, so I'm not convinced it makes bozo town.

Hmm, I suppose that's plausible.

What do you make of the celaph kill?

[bozotheclown]

I never said aaro didn't want to get miskilled as town... I think indecision and uncertainty are towny (especially for a new player) and don't have anything to do with avoiding a DK.

I know you never said that, but that was my conclusion as to why he might be so careful about his votes. I do not think aarodactyl has looked that indecisive, but he has been careful to explain and defend his votes. What concerned me most was that he has almost always waited and voted for one of the top wagons instead of trying to push any of his own scum reads, but maybe that is because he did not have any scum reads strong enough to push.

Why are you just now considering this when I've been saying this for days?

I have been paying attention to what you have been saying about this, but I think this type of thing is a little more likely from a new scum player than a new town player. I still do not see why you would be so sure aarodactyl is town. I do agree he looked town D3, but he seems capable of pulling off that reaction as scum. Maybe since he is new to forum mafia I should not assume he would be able to fabricate his reactions that well.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo what are your thoughts on ghug?

I think ghug is a good scum player, but I think he is town.

[kgray]

I think forgetting someone when you're scum suggests that that person is a townie. He'd be putting more thought into where he put his teammates, as is demonstrated by how spaced out the five scum we have are.

Yeah I see your point. Maybe. Or maybe he was putting thought into where he put his teammates but he still ran out of time to sort bozo. Last game when I did EON reads I usually placed damo and Bunny last so I could see where it made sense to but them, so I'm not convinced it makes bozo town.

Hmm, I suppose that's plausible.

What do you make of the celaph kill?

tbh I was pretty shocked it wasn't you. I don't think celaph was a likely miskill so that part makes sense, but all things considered I wasn't expecting it.

In terms of it implicating someone... I feel like the person I'm most concerned about based on celaph being the NK is you. But I think I'm missing some things, and I'm not putting much stock into "who would NK who" arguments.

[bozotheclown]

I take back everything good I've ever said about your end of game solving skills if you're town. This is garbage.

##vote bozo

The tone of this post make me scum read you more than town read you.

lmao so now you care about tone... When it's convenient for you to push a miskill. But when it's a reason to townread someone, you'll ignore it.

Cool bozo.

It is true I do not typically care much about tone, because I can't tell when someone is trying to fabricate a tone, but I would not be surprised if you were fabricating a tone there.

[bozotheclown]

Not that odd when the other two wagons are town, and when I was vocally and obnoxiously discouraging a bozo wagon.

I looked at damo's D2 voting also, and he voted for you for most of the day, but he changed his vote to me when you reached 5 votes, your highest vote count for the day, and did not move it back to you until you were down to 3 votes. This makes me think it was possibly a bus, but that damo acted to slow down the momentum on your wagon.

Okay. And do you think my D5 looked like I was busing?

No more than aarodacty, Chaqa, and ghug.

[kgray]

I know you never said that, but that was my conclusion as to why he might be so careful about his votes. I do not think aarodactyl has looked that indecisive, but he has been careful to explain and defend his votes. What concerned me most was that he has almost always waited and voted for one of the top wagons instead of trying to push any of his own scum reads, but maybe that is because he did not have any scum reads strong enough to push.

Why are you just now considering this when I've been saying this for days?

I have been paying attention to what you have been saying about this, but I think this type of thing is a little more likely from a new scum player than a new town player. I still do not see why you would be so sure aarodactyl is town. I do agree he looked town D3, but he seems capable of pulling off that reaction as scum. Maybe since he is new to forum mafia I should not assume he would be able to fabricate his reactions that well.

I don't know how to explain it any better than I already have. When scum were about to be outed, he was talking and participating when he could have continued to stay quiet based on his previous activity. Once Durga called out Jamie and Bunny, he was joking and having a great time, and that's not something that makes sense from scum who's team has just been reduced to half it's original size. It's certainly not something I'd expect a new player (and someone new to this community) to be able to pull off. If he did, then congrats to him. But I don't think it's likely.

I am really frustrated that you're now finally considering that I may be right about him, and not just because you're using it as a reason to scumread me. How does Flum and celaph flipping town make you question your scumread of aaro? If anything, the list of possible scum is smaller, so I'd expect you to continue to suspect your top scumread.

[kgray]

The tone of this post make me scum read you more than town read you.

lmao so now you care about tone... When it's convenient for you to push a miskill. But when it's a reason to townread someone, you'll ignore it.

Cool bozo.

It is true I do not typically care much about tone, because I can't tell when someone is trying to fabricate a tone, but I would not be surprised if you were fabricating a tone there.

I'm not fabricating anything bozo, I'm genuinely frustrated by you

[ghug]

Yeah I see your point. Maybe. Or maybe he was putting thought into where he put his teammates but he still ran out of time to sort bozo. Last game when I did EON reads I usually placed damo and Bunny last so I could see where it made sense to but them, so I'm not convinced it makes bozo town.

Hmm, I suppose that's plausible.

What do you make of the celaph kill?

tbh I was pretty shocked it wasn't you. I don't think celaph was a likely miskill so that part makes sense, but all things considered I wasn't expecting it.

In terms of it implicating someone... I feel like the person I'm most concerned about based on celaph being the NK is you. But I think I'm missing some things, and I'm not putting much stock into "who would NK who" arguments.

I would have 1000% NKed you last night, for the record.

[kgray]

Hmm, I suppose that's plausible.

What do you make of the celaph kill?

tbh I was pretty shocked it wasn't you. I don't think celaph was a likely miskill so that part makes sense, but all things considered I wasn't expecting it.

In terms of it implicating someone... I feel like the person I'm most concerned about based on celaph being the NK is you. But I think I'm missing some things, and I'm not putting much stock into "who would NK who" arguments.

I would have 1000% NKed you last night, for the record.

Aww, I'd have killed you too

[bozotheclown]

Why are you just now considering this when I've been saying this for days?

I have been paying attention to what you have been saying about this, but I think this type of thing is a little more likely from a new scum player than a new town player. I still do not see why you would be so sure aarodactyl is town. I do agree he looked town D3, but he seems capable of pulling off that reaction as scum. Maybe since he is new to forum mafia I should not assume he would be able to fabricate his reactions that well.

I don't know how to explain it any better than I already have. When scum were about to be outed, he was talking and participating when he could have continued to stay quiet based on his previous activity. Once Durga called out Jamie and Bunny, he was joking and having a great time, and that's not something that makes sense from scum who's team has just been reduced to half it's original size. It's certainly not something I'd expect a new player (and someone new to this community) to be able to pull off. If he did, then congrats to him. But I don't think it's likely.

I am really frustrated that you're now finally considering that I may be right about him, and not just because you're using it as a reason to scumread me. How does Flum and celaph flipping town make you question your scumread of aaro? If anything, the list of possible scum is smaller, so I'd expect you to continue to suspect your top scumread.

I thought Fluminator might have been trying to pocket aarodactyl, but now I know his town read of aarodactyl was real. I also do not see why aarodactyl would NK celaph, with Fluminator gone it was very likely I would be celaph's top scum read today. If aarodactyl did not want to NK me, I would expect him to at least NK you or ghug. It seems to me whoever NKed celaph wanted today to be me vs. aarodactyl, which could be anyone except aarodactyl.

[Chaqa]

VCA has been pointing at kgray or Bozo.

My gut tells me Bozo more than kgray.

Ghug is probably town.

Aero is the wildcard for me. I don’t have a solid handle on him since I largely go off VCA and meta and I haven’t played with him bfore

[ghug]

VCA has been pointing at kgray or Bozo.

My gut tells me Bozo more than kgray.

Ghug is probably town.

Aero is the wildcard for me. I don’t have a solid handle on him since I largely go off VCA and meta and I haven’t played with him bfore

Why does VCA say bozo and not aaro?

[bozotheclown]

VCA has been pointing at kgray or Bozo.

My gut tells me Bozo more than kgray.

Ghug is probably town.

Aero is the wildcard for me. I don’t have a solid handle on him since I largely go off VCA and meta and I haven’t played with him bfore

I (almost) never bus.

[kgray]

VCA has been pointing at kgray or Bozo.

My gut tells me Bozo more than kgray.

Ghug is probably town.

Aero is the wildcard for me. I don’t have a solid handle on him since I largely go off VCA and meta and I haven’t played with him bfore

I guess I already know the answer to this, but I'd like you to confirm that by "VCA points to kgray" you mean that you think it's likely that I got the teacon wagon going but then did a suspicious-looking switch off of him and onto my other scum teammate and then finally left my vote on town when it was still possible that teacon would be killed and I'd lose all the credit I could have gotten for busing him. And please also consider Flum's opinion on this - I'm not asking you to sheep him, but just think about what he said about that.

You can just +1 this post if you really think I'd do that as scum.

[ghug]

VCA has been pointing at kgray or Bozo.

My gut tells me Bozo more than kgray.

Ghug is probably town.

Aero is the wildcard for me. I don’t have a solid handle on him since I largely go off VCA and meta and I haven’t played with him bfore

I guess I already know the answer to this, but I'd like you to confirm that by "VCA points to kgray" you mean that you think it's likely that I got the teacon wagon going but then did a suspicious-looking switch off of him and onto my other scum teammate and then finally left my vote on town when it was still possible that teacon would be killed and I'd lose all the credit I could have gotten for busing him. And please also consider Flum's opinion on this - I'm not asking you to sheep him, but just think about what he said about that.

You can just +1 this post if you really think I'd do that as scum.

The bigger VCA thing with you is how it kinda looks like you were saved D2, but I doubt Chaqa has noticed that.

[kgray]

VCA has been pointing at kgray or Bozo.

My gut tells me Bozo more than kgray.

Ghug is probably town.

Aero is the wildcard for me. I don’t have a solid handle on him since I largely go off VCA and meta and I haven’t played with him bfore

I guess I already know the answer to this, but I'd like you to confirm that by "VCA points to kgray" you mean that you think it's likely that I got the teacon wagon going but then did a suspicious-looking switch off of him and onto my other scum teammate and then finally left my vote on town when it was still possible that teacon would be killed and I'd lose all the credit I could have gotten for busing him. And please also consider Flum's opinion on this - I'm not asking you to sheep him, but just think about what he said about that.

You can just +1 this post if you really think I'd do that as scum.

The bigger VCA thing with you is how it kinda looks like you were saved D2, but I doubt Chaqa has noticed that.

Saved by who?

[ghug]

I guess I already know the answer to this, but I'd like you to confirm that by "VCA points to kgray" you mean that you think it's likely that I got the teacon wagon going but then did a suspicious-looking switch off of him and onto my other scum teammate and then finally left my vote on town when it was still possible that teacon would be killed and I'd lose all the credit I could have gotten for busing him. And please also consider Flum's opinion on this - I'm not asking you to sheep him, but just think about what he said about that.

You can just +1 this post if you really think I'd do that as scum.

The bigger VCA thing with you is how it kinda looks like you were saved D2, but I doubt Chaqa has noticed that.

Saved by who?

Don't remember, and I've just wasted hours of my life playing the worst game in the history of Diplomacy with everyone's favorite dead tracker, so I need to sleep. Ask me tomorrow.

[Chaqa]

VCA has been pointing at kgray or Bozo.

My gut tells me Bozo more than kgray.

Ghug is probably town.

Aero is the wildcard for me. I don’t have a solid handle on him since I largely go off VCA and meta and I haven’t played with him bfore

Why does VCA say bozo and not aaro?

I had a post about this the other day. I’ll revisit it later tomorrow

[Chaqa]

VCA has been pointing at kgray or Bozo.

My gut tells me Bozo more than kgray.

Ghug is probably town.

Aero is the wildcard for me. I don’t have a solid handle on him since I largely go off VCA and meta and I haven’t played with him bfore

I guess I already know the answer to this, but I'd like you to confirm that by "VCA points to kgray" you mean that you think it's likely that I got the teacon wagon going but then did a suspicious-looking switch off of him and onto my other scum teammate and then finally left my vote on town when it was still possible that teacon would be killed and I'd lose all the credit I could have gotten for busing him. And please also consider Flum's opinion on this - I'm not asking you to sheep him, but just think about what he said about that.

You can just +1 this post if you really think I'd do that as scum.

I’m voting Bozo currently.