M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[kgray]

18.

I'm going to do Ghug's thing where I list my reads from my top townreads, down to nulls and then scumreads, with a line above which I will *not* vote, as things currently stand. This could of course change - someone above the line could scumslip; an investigative could out them, etc.

------------
SOLID TOWNS
------------
Jamiet99uk
Kgray
Vecna
Durga
Celaph
------------
LEANING TOWN
------------
Fluminator
Damo666
Hamilton Brian
BunnyGo
Aarodactyl

"WON'T VOTE" LINE

------------
NULLS
------------
Ghug
Brainbomb
Balki
Bonatogether
worcej
Nephthys
------------
LEANING SCUM
------------
EMC
Maniac
VashtaNeurotic
Chaqatheclown
------------
STRONG SCUMS
------------
Bozotheclown
Yoyoyozotheclown

Keen observers will note that Brainbomb has trended downwards from a townread to a null, while BunnyGo had trended to a townlean from a scumlean. Some people (Hi Balki!) will criticise me for putting three lurkers in my six scumreads, but I refer you to my previous comments on lurking being scum-indicative.

For Durga's benefit I have grouped these in alphabetical order. Each group within the list is not ranked (for example I'm not suggesting Ghug is more null than Worcej.

What's the point of quoting this? You think Jamie listed 3 of his teammates in the "leaning town" group? Why?

[kgray]

I get the feeling kgray has been pocketing aarodactyl with her strong town read of him in preparation for D10. We probably should not have let kgray off the hook for saving teacon D1.

##VOTE kgray

Are you serious.

You really think I got the teacon wagon going and didn't even stay on it long enough to get credit for it? I just wanted my teammate to die but I didn't even try to make myself look good in the process?

I'm townreading aaro because I think he's town. Just because you're hyperfocusing on all these pointless NAI details doesn't mean that other people find those things scummy.

It's ridiculous that you switch from being convinced he's scum to scumreading me for disagreeing with you.

[kgray]

Look at how spread out his teammates are.

Are you missing that bozo's name is weirdly attached to bona's?

I've pointrd this out several times. I see it as a reason to townread bozo.

I mean it's clearly a result of him running out of time to post before the deadline. I don't see how it's alignment indicative at all. And I think the idea that teacon would deliberately put one teammate into each of his categories is silly.

[kgray]

I get the feeling kgray has been pocketing aarodactyl with her strong town read of him in preparation for D10. We probably should not have let kgray off the hook for saving teacon D1.

##VOTE kgray

Are you serious.

You really think I got the teacon wagon going and didn't even stay on it long enough to get credit for it? I just wanted my teammate to die but I didn't even try to make myself look good in the process?

I'm townreading aaro because I think he's town. Just because you're hyperfocusing on all these pointless NAI details doesn't mean that other people find those things scummy.

It's ridiculous that you switch from being convinced he's scum to scumreading me for disagreeing with you.

I take back everything good I've ever said about your end of game solving skills if you're town. This is garbage.

##vote bozo

[kgray]

Damo jumped off of bozo and onto to kgray to bring it from 5-4-3 (bozo-HB-kgray) to 4-4-4.

He and Jamie were two of the first three votes on that bozo wagon, so jumping off a heavy bus like that the minute it gathers steam would be odd.

Not that odd when the other two wagons are town, and when I was vocally and obnoxiously discouraging a bozo wagon.

[kgray]

18.

I'm going to do Ghug's thing where I list my reads from my top townreads, down to nulls and then scumreads, with a line above which I will *not* vote, as things currently stand. This could of course change - someone above the line could scumslip; an investigative could out them, etc.

------------
SOLID TOWNS
------------
Jamiet99uk
Kgray
Vecna
Durga
Celaph
------------
LEANING TOWN
------------
Fluminator
Damo666
Hamilton Brian
BunnyGo
Aarodactyl

"WON'T VOTE" LINE

------------
NULLS
------------
Ghug
Brainbomb
Balki
Bonatogether
worcej
Nephthys
------------
LEANING SCUM
------------
EMC
Maniac
VashtaNeurotic
Chaqatheclown
------------
STRONG SCUMS
------------
Bozotheclown
Yoyoyozotheclown

Keen observers will note that Brainbomb has trended downwards from a townread to a null, while BunnyGo had trended to a townlean from a scumlean. Some people (Hi Balki!) will criticise me for putting three lurkers in my six scumreads, but I refer you to my previous comments on lurking being scum-indicative.

For Durga's benefit I have grouped these in alphabetical order. Each group within the list is not ranked (for example I'm not suggesting Ghug is more null than Worcej.

What's the point of quoting this? You think Jamie listed 3 of his teammates in the "leaning town" group? Why?

If anything, based on your analyzing of scum's reads, this makes me even more suspicious of Chaqa or you.

[bozotheclown]

I get the feeling kgray has been pocketing aarodactyl with her strong town read of him in preparation for D10. We probably should not have let kgray off the hook for saving teacon D1.

##VOTE kgray

Are you serious.

You really think I got the teacon wagon going and didn't even stay on it long enough to get credit for it? I just wanted my teammate to die but I didn't even try to make myself look good in the process?

I'm townreading aaro because I think he's town. Just because you're hyperfocusing on all these pointless NAI details doesn't mean that other people find those things scummy.

It's ridiculous that you switch from being convinced he's scum to scumreading me for disagreeing with you.

Yes, I am serious.

If you are scum, I do not think you wanted teacon to die, I think you saved him in the end. Vecna saying teacon was town and Balki voting for BunnyGo when you floated BunnyGo as a wagon gave you the opportunity to explain your vote moves that resulted in saving teacon.

I was never convinced aarodactyl was scum, although he was my top scum suspect, and I still do not rule him out. However, you (and Fluminator) helped convince me that the things I suspected him for most could just be a result of him not wanting to get mis-killed as town.

[kgray]

I get the feeling kgray has been pocketing aarodactyl with her strong town read of him in preparation for D10. We probably should not have let kgray off the hook for saving teacon D1.

##VOTE kgray

Are you serious.

You really think I got the teacon wagon going and didn't even stay on it long enough to get credit for it? I just wanted my teammate to die but I didn't even try to make myself look good in the process?

I'm townreading aaro because I think he's town. Just because you're hyperfocusing on all these pointless NAI details doesn't mean that other people find those things scummy.

It's ridiculous that you switch from being convinced he's scum to scumreading me for disagreeing with you.

Yes, I am serious.

If you are scum, I do not think you wanted teacon to die, I think you saved him in the end. Vecna saying teacon was town and Balki voting for BunnyGo when you floated BunnyGo as a wagon gave you the opportunity to explain your vote moves that resulted in saving teacon.

I was never convinced aarodactyl was scum, although he was my top scum suspect, and I still do not rule him out. However, you (and Fluminator) helped convince me that the things I suspected him for most could just be a result of him not wanting to get mis-killed as town.

I never said aaro didn't want to get miskilled as town... I think indecision and uncertainty are towny (especially for a new player) and don't have anything to do with avoiding a DK.

[bozotheclown]

Are you missing that bozo's name is weirdly attached to bona's?

I've pointrd this out several times. I see it as a reason to townread bozo.

I mean it's clearly a result of him running out of time to post before the deadline. I don't see how it's alignment indicative at all. And I think the idea that teacon would deliberately put one teammate into each of his categories is silly.

I think ghug is saying teacon would not forget to rank one of his teammates as a result of an editing error, especially since he was obviously being careful to spread out his teammates. I would expect you to understand ghug's point, even if you do not agree with it.

[kgray]

I've pointrd this out several times. I see it as a reason to townread bozo.

I mean it's clearly a result of him running out of time to post before the deadline. I don't see how it's alignment indicative at all. And I think the idea that teacon would deliberately put one teammate into each of his categories is silly.

I think ghug is saying teacon would not forget to rank one of his teammates as a result of an editing error, especially since he was obviously being careful to spread out his teammates. I would expect you to understand ghug's point, even if you do not agree with it.

Well I guess our expectations of each other are too high, then.

[kgray]

@bozo what are your thoughts on ghug?

[bozotheclown]

Are you serious.

You really think I got the teacon wagon going and didn't even stay on it long enough to get credit for it? I just wanted my teammate to die but I didn't even try to make myself look good in the process?

I'm townreading aaro because I think he's town. Just because you're hyperfocusing on all these pointless NAI details doesn't mean that other people find those things scummy.

It's ridiculous that you switch from being convinced he's scum to scumreading me for disagreeing with you.

Yes, I am serious.

If you are scum, I do not think you wanted teacon to die, I think you saved him in the end. Vecna saying teacon was town and Balki voting for BunnyGo when you floated BunnyGo as a wagon gave you the opportunity to explain your vote moves that resulted in saving teacon.

I was never convinced aarodactyl was scum, although he was my top scum suspect, and I still do not rule him out. However, you (and Fluminator) helped convince me that the things I suspected him for most could just be a result of him not wanting to get mis-killed as town.

I never said aaro didn't want to get miskilled as town... I think indecision and uncertainty are towny (especially for a new player) and don't have anything to do with avoiding a DK.

I know you never said that, but that was my conclusion as to why he might be so careful about his votes. I do not think aarodactyl has looked that indecisive, but he has been careful to explain and defend his votes. What concerned me most was that he has almost always waited and voted for one of the top wagons instead of trying to push any of his own scum reads, but maybe that is because he did not have any scum reads strong enough to push.

[kgray]

Yes, I am serious.

If you are scum, I do not think you wanted teacon to die, I think you saved him in the end. Vecna saying teacon was town and Balki voting for BunnyGo when you floated BunnyGo as a wagon gave you the opportunity to explain your vote moves that resulted in saving teacon.

I was never convinced aarodactyl was scum, although he was my top scum suspect, and I still do not rule him out. However, you (and Fluminator) helped convince me that the things I suspected him for most could just be a result of him not wanting to get mis-killed as town.

I never said aaro didn't want to get miskilled as town... I think indecision and uncertainty are towny (especially for a new player) and don't have anything to do with avoiding a DK.

I know you never said that, but that was my conclusion as to why he might be so careful about his votes. I do not think aarodactyl has looked that indecisive, but he has been careful to explain and defend his votes. What concerned me most was that he has almost always waited and voted for one of the top wagons instead of trying to push any of his own scum reads, but maybe that is because he did not have any scum reads strong enough to push.

Why are you just now considering this when I've been saying this for days?

[bozotheclown]

I get the feeling kgray has been pocketing aarodactyl with her strong town read of him in preparation for D10. We probably should not have let kgray off the hook for saving teacon D1.

##VOTE kgray

Are you serious.

You really think I got the teacon wagon going and didn't even stay on it long enough to get credit for it? I just wanted my teammate to die but I didn't even try to make myself look good in the process?

I'm townreading aaro because I think he's town. Just because you're hyperfocusing on all these pointless NAI details doesn't mean that other people find those things scummy.

It's ridiculous that you switch from being convinced he's scum to scumreading me for disagreeing with you.

I take back everything good I've ever said about your end of game solving skills if you're town. This is garbage.

##vote bozo

The tone of this post make me scum read you more than town read you.

[kgray]

Are you serious.

You really think I got the teacon wagon going and didn't even stay on it long enough to get credit for it? I just wanted my teammate to die but I didn't even try to make myself look good in the process?

I'm townreading aaro because I think he's town. Just because you're hyperfocusing on all these pointless NAI details doesn't mean that other people find those things scummy.

It's ridiculous that you switch from being convinced he's scum to scumreading me for disagreeing with you.

I take back everything good I've ever said about your end of game solving skills if you're town. This is garbage.

##vote bozo

The tone of this post make me scum read you more than town read you.

lmao so now you care about tone... When it's convenient for you to push a miskill. But when it's a reason to townread someone, you'll ignore it.

Cool bozo.

[bozotheclown]

Damo jumped off of bozo and onto to kgray to bring it from 5-4-3 (bozo-HB-kgray) to 4-4-4.

He and Jamie were two of the first three votes on that bozo wagon, so jumping off a heavy bus like that the minute it gathers steam would be odd.

Not that odd when the other two wagons are town, and when I was vocally and obnoxiously discouraging a bozo wagon.

I looked at damo's D2 voting also, and he voted for you for most of the day, but he changed his vote to me when you reached 5 votes, your highest vote count for the day, and did not move it back to you until you were down to 3 votes. This makes me think it was possibly a bus, but that damo acted to slow down the momentum on your wagon.

[kgray]

Damo jumped off of bozo and onto to kgray to bring it from 5-4-3 (bozo-HB-kgray) to 4-4-4.

He and Jamie were two of the first three votes on that bozo wagon, so jumping off a heavy bus like that the minute it gathers steam would be odd.

Not that odd when the other two wagons are town, and when I was vocally and obnoxiously discouraging a bozo wagon.

I looked at damo's D2 voting also, and he voted for you for most of the day, but he changed his vote to me when you reached 5 votes, your highest vote count for the day, and did not move it back to you until you were down to 3 votes. This makes me think it was possibly a bus, but that damo acted to slow down the momentum on your wagon.

Okay. And do you think my D5 looked like I was busing?

[ghug]

Are you missing that bozo's name is weirdly attached to bona's?

I've pointrd this out several times. I see it as a reason to townread bozo.

I mean it's clearly a result of him running out of time to post before the deadline. I don't see how it's alignment indicative at all. And I think the idea that teacon would deliberately put one teammate into each of his categories is silly.

I think forgetting someone when you're scum suggests that that person is a townie. He'd be putting more thought into where he put his teammates, as is demonstrated by how spaced out the five scum we have are.

[ghug]

What's the point of quoting this? You think Jamie listed 3 of his teammates in the "leaning town" group? Why?

If anything, based on your analyzing of scum's reads, this makes me even more suspicious of Chaqa or you.

I quoted it for reference. I find it interesting that he only nulled town, and that he slight townread a bunch of teammates.

[kgray]

I've pointrd this out several times. I see it as a reason to townread bozo.

I mean it's clearly a result of him running out of time to post before the deadline. I don't see how it's alignment indicative at all. And I think the idea that teacon would deliberately put one teammate into each of his categories is silly.

I think forgetting someone when you're scum suggests that that person is a townie. He'd be putting more thought into where he put his teammates, as is demonstrated by how spaced out the five scum we have are.

Yeah I see your point. Maybe. Or maybe he was putting thought into where he put his teammates but he still ran out of time to sort bozo. Last game when I did EON reads I usually placed damo and Bunny last so I could see where it made sense to but them, so I'm not convinced it makes bozo town.