M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Fluminator]

Pretty sure it's
##vote Bozo

I'll give more tomorrow. I'm tired. I also want to make sure I'm right because if I'm wrong I suspect I'll be daykilled next. (Especially bad since I assume I won't convince y'all he's scum until at least day 9)

Inb4 Aaro is scum and I look as bad as HR postgame. Oh well

[Chaqa]

@flum- thoughts on our cagey ray?

[Fluminator]

Meta-wise she feels like her townself and for the most part making sense. It is a little weird she's been lowkey buddying/defending me all game and suddenly started scumreading me, but I expect paranoia to seep in a little bit at this stage, as annoying as it is.

Regarding VCA, she was the player who made teacon a viable wagon at 3. If she was bussing I don't think she'd do it in a way where she triggers the momentum of the wagon and then later jumps off losing all the credit of it. It would be the worst of both worlds and I've never seen a bus like that.

Her Damo push and excitement at the flip seemed very genuine as well. She pushed it a hell of a lot more than bozo.
Also her frustration and shading HR throughout this game has been some of the most cathartic posts I have ever read and I don't see her getting that genuinely frustrated as scum.

If she is scum, I will join the people who worship her scum game and I would literally never try to read her again and just push for town to fearkill her at every lylo no questions asked.

[aarodactyl]

This gets into WIFOM but I was one of vecnas top townreads. Why would I have killed them over Tom?

[Fluminator]

Defending yourself out of nowhere like that is scummy aaro lol

[aarodactyl]

Defending yourself out of nowhere like that is scummy aaro lol

I guess it does look scummy. I’ve just been thinking about who’s been killed each night and that one really doesn’t make sense to me

[aarodactyl]

Defending yourself out of nowhere like that is scummy aaro lol

I guess it does look scummy. I’ve just been thinking about who’s been killed each night and that one really doesn’t make sense to me

Also I may be trying to start a conversation so we can hit 10k before I fall asleep

[Fluminator]

Nightkill analysis is actually kind of interesting this game. I never think it's smart to write things off as wifom.

Vecna was killed before the clears for a reason. I'm also wondering which player would fear him enough to nightkill him before then? Damo posted in the first day Vecna usually gets things wrong so unless he was lying he doesn't have a super high opinion of Vecna and I doubt he'd make a fearkill for the sake of fearkilling unless Vecna was pretty accurate this game. I don't know if I see one of the new players fearkilling Vecna either unless he was pretty accurate too. But that wouldn't make much sense for the new town players considering Vecna townread all the new players.

Vecna did scumread Bozo when he died though (but it was in a grouping of other now flipped townies so it's not like he had the entire scumteam nailed). I do think his townreads are generally accurate though and he must have had at least a good chunk of his reads right which leads me to think he was correct on most of his townreads.

Ghug and Kgray are players who might kill Vecna just for the sake of killing him, but I don't think they're scum.
Idk I think Bozo makes the most sense here as he's aware Vecna is usually pretty good, he had a lot of correct townreads, and had his eyes set for him in the future, (but killing him there wouldn't make him look bad at all)

I also think he makes sense killing Balki first. Originally I thought a new/inexperienced person would kill Balki because obvious HR was the priest. But jokes on me lol. Whoever scum was must have picked up on stuff to make them think HR wasn't actually the priest and I think scum Bozo would have picked that up much more likely than newer players.

[dargorygel]

Displaying absolute proof that the capitalistic porcine counter-counter-counter-revolutionaries are attempting to influence our glorious election process, the voting spread includes a wide variety of candidates. Ah for the good old days of only one candidate for office.

Hellenic Riot (1): ghug
Fluminator (1): celaph
Kgray (1): Chaqa
Chaqa (1): aarodactyl
Bozotheclown (1): Fluminator

Not voting:
Bozo, HR, kgray

No one is leading in the polls.

Approximately 1 Day and 10 hours left in this voting cycle.

[bozotheclown]

We are on our way to having 8 one vote wagons.

[bozotheclown]

Nightkill analysis is actually kind of interesting this game. I never think it's smart to write things off as wifom.

Vecna was killed before the clears for a reason. I'm also wondering which player would fear him enough to nightkill him before then? Damo posted in the first day Vecna usually gets things wrong so unless he was lying he doesn't have a super high opinion of Vecna and I doubt he'd make a fearkill for the sake of fearkilling unless Vecna was pretty accurate this game. I don't know if I see one of the new players fearkilling Vecna either unless he was pretty accurate too. But that wouldn't make much sense for the new town players considering Vecna townread all the new players.

Vecna did scumread Bozo when he died though (but it was in a grouping of other now flipped townies so it's not like he had the entire scumteam nailed). I do think his townreads are generally accurate though and he must have had at least a good chunk of his reads right which leads me to think he was correct on most of his townreads.

Ghug and Kgray are players who might kill Vecna just for the sake of killing him, but I don't think they're scum.
Idk I think Bozo makes the most sense here as he's aware Vecna is usually pretty good, he had a lot of correct townreads, and had his eyes set for him in the future, (but killing him there wouldn't make him look bad at all)

I also think he makes sense killing Balki first. Originally I thought a new/inexperienced person would kill Balki because obvious HR was the priest. But jokes on me lol. Whoever scum was must have picked up on stuff to make them think HR wasn't actually the priest and I think scum Bozo would have picked that up much more likely than newer players.

Why are you arguing that damo wouldn't NK Vecna when we know that he participated in NKing Vecna?

[bozotheclown]

I still think the way aarodactyl has been very careful with his votes and been concerned with how his votes look makes him a good scum candidate.

##VOTE aarodactyl

[bozotheclown]

That's all fair. I don't think you're doing anything offensive. It's just been frustrating to watch all this energy going into investigating me when I was at the top of the townclear lists of a lot of players on D5.

I'm going to stop promising to look into things because I'm honestly getting burned out. There's a reasonable chance I still will, but we'll see. (on a side note, promising too much and then not following through has been something I've been working on professionally as well)

If you don't want to go out and retreat, just spit some thoughts out based on what you already know. It's OK to be wrong (unless you're Flum).

I hate being wrong, but here I got. I'm sorry in advance to bozo is these reads don't line up to what I've said in the past. My opinion of people changes a lot and it's not going to necessarily to be the same as past posts.

• Kgray: seems like they're trying to solve the game, but maybe they're just very good scum. I enjoy how they're defending me though.
• Ghug: see kgray's entry but change the last sentence to "I don't like how they're attacking me though."
• flum: I've had a hard time getting a read on them, but apparently that's standard? If they're the last scum, I'd like some credit for being the first person in the game to vote for them.
• Bozo: I really don't like the tunneling, but I think they're town. I'm disappointed we didn't do more with the aggregate list from a few days ago. It might be worth to look back at that.
• HR: priest
• celaph: they're clear from their EOD post when it looked they were going to be killed? Besides that, I'd think they're were potentially scum based on how little I feel like they've been posting.
• Chaqa: my gut doesn't like how chaqa has been playing this game, but that doesn't mean they're scum. I don't like that they just didn't answer the jailer question (I think someone brought this up recently, but I haven't fact checked this) especially because the last scum is probably smuggler. I'm looking back and I don't think they made a list for bozo's thing either. Also when I was looking back, it looks like Durga noted a weird exchange between bunny and chaqa and seemed like the exchange that bunny did with jamie. Thinking about it, I think people should reread chaqa.

Are you actually curious or are you just hoping to compare it against all my previous reads?

both

At least you’re honest. I don’t think it’s Ghug, Kgray, celaph, and HR. And it’s not me. That leaves you (bozo), flum, and Chaqa. From scummiest to least scummy, I would say Chaqa you and then flum. It’s all pretty close.

I do want it to be Ghug based on how hard they’re pushing for me but they seem town.

Even though you said it is close, I don't see how I ended up as your second highest scum suspect based on your first list, where you said you think I am town.

[Fluminator]

Nightkill analysis is actually kind of interesting this game. I never think it's smart to write things off as wifom.

Vecna was killed before the clears for a reason. I'm also wondering which player would fear him enough to nightkill him before then? Damo posted in the first day Vecna usually gets things wrong so unless he was lying he doesn't have a super high opinion of Vecna and I doubt he'd make a fearkill for the sake of fearkilling unless Vecna was pretty accurate this game. I don't know if I see one of the new players fearkilling Vecna either unless he was pretty accurate too. But that wouldn't make much sense for the new town players considering Vecna townread all the new players.

Vecna did scumread Bozo when he died though (but it was in a grouping of other now flipped townies so it's not like he had the entire scumteam nailed). I do think his townreads are generally accurate though and he must have had at least a good chunk of his reads right which leads me to think he was correct on most of his townreads.

Ghug and Kgray are players who might kill Vecna just for the sake of killing him, but I don't think they're scum.
Idk I think Bozo makes the most sense here as he's aware Vecna is usually pretty good, he had a lot of correct townreads, and had his eyes set for him in the future, (but killing him there wouldn't make him look bad at all)

I also think he makes sense killing Balki first. Originally I thought a new/inexperienced person would kill Balki because obvious HR was the priest. But jokes on me lol. Whoever scum was must have picked up on stuff to make them think HR wasn't actually the priest and I think scum Bozo would have picked that up much more likely than newer players.

Why are you arguing that damo wouldn't NK Vecna when we know that he participated in NKing Vecna?

I don't see him taking the lead on that with a new player scum partner. And I don't see a new scum player taking the lead on that either.

[Fluminator]

I still think the way aarodactyl has been very careful with his votes and been concerned with how his votes look makes him a good scum candidate.

##VOTE aarodactyl

This is pretty typical new player behavior as any alignment. It's NAI.

[Chaqa]

Snow all cleaned up. We got like a foot, maybe more? Hard to tell with how much it’s been drifting

[kgray]

@kgray

Tell me who to vote

Oh no. I don't want control of your vote, I don't even know who I want to vote for.

Something really makes me think it's Flum. I think it's a tone thing? I remember him trolling a lot more and being more jokey as town and as 3p before, and he hasn't seemed that way to me this game. And he kind of seemed frustrated when you didn't die last night, rather than excited about having another townclear.

It also could be Chaqa. I think VCA is a pretty easy way to make "reads" as scum, and basing it all on D1 votes is lazy either way. He also knew last game how I struggled to come up with scumreads because we talked about it in scumchat, and I feel like he should realize I'm not faking my reads here. But I can also see this as just being how he plays as town. Oh, and that thing where he said he thought someone was bussing damo because he was suspecting the last scum was between you and Balki (neither were voting damo) makes me think he's struggling to keep his stories straight. But it's not like that couldn't come from town....

I really don't think it's aaro. I'd be more likely to vote bozo over aaro, I think, but I do still think bozo is town. I'm accepting ghug as town for now. Celaph seems really towny to me too, although if there's a new player who's hiding behind competence to get townreads I think it's more likely to be him than aaro. His boldness reads as towny, although he's not inexperienced with forum mafia and said he's spent a lot of time on the webDip forum, so I could see him being comfortable with his hot-takes type posting as either alignment.

I really just don't know.

[kgray]

Meta-wise she feels like her townself and for the most part making sense. It is a little weird she's been lowkey buddying/defending me all game and suddenly started scumreading me, but I expect paranoia to seep in a little bit at this stage, as annoying as it is.

Regarding VCA, she was the player who made teacon a viable wagon at 3. If she was bussing I don't think she'd do it in a way where she triggers the momentum of the wagon and then later jumps off losing all the credit of it. It would be the worst of both worlds and I've never seen a bus like that.

Her Damo push and excitement at the flip seemed very genuine as well. She pushed it a hell of a lot more than bozo.
Also her frustration and shading HR throughout this game has been some of the most cathartic posts I have ever read and I don't see her getting that genuinely frustrated as scum.

If she is scum, I will join the people who worship her scum game and I would literally never try to read her again and just push for town to fearkill her at every lylo no questions asked.

Ugghhhhh but this seems so towny to me. I hate how easily buddied I am.

[kgray]

Nightkill analysis is actually kind of interesting this game. I never think it's smart to write things off as wifom.

Vecna was killed before the clears for a reason. I'm also wondering which player would fear him enough to nightkill him before then? Damo posted in the first day Vecna usually gets things wrong so unless he was lying he doesn't have a super high opinion of Vecna and I doubt he'd make a fearkill for the sake of fearkilling unless Vecna was pretty accurate this game. I don't know if I see one of the new players fearkilling Vecna either unless he was pretty accurate too. But that wouldn't make much sense for the new town players considering Vecna townread all the new players.

Vecna did scumread Bozo when he died though (but it was in a grouping of other now flipped townies so it's not like he had the entire scumteam nailed). I do think his townreads are generally accurate though and he must have had at least a good chunk of his reads right which leads me to think he was correct on most of his townreads.

Ghug and Kgray are players who might kill Vecna just for the sake of killing him, but I don't think they're scum.
Idk I think Bozo makes the most sense here as he's aware Vecna is usually pretty good, he had a lot of correct townreads, and had his eyes set for him in the future, (but killing him there wouldn't make him look bad at all)

I also think he makes sense killing Balki first. Originally I thought a new/inexperienced person would kill Balki because obvious HR was the priest. But jokes on me lol. Whoever scum was must have picked up on stuff to make them think HR wasn't actually the priest and I think scum Bozo would have picked that up much more likely than newer players.

I think Chaqa makes sense as killing Vecna too. He pushed us hard to NK Vecna last game because that was our best hope at getting a miskill, and we did the whole RB/fake RB thing to make sure it happened. I agreed with him, to be fair, but at least last game scum!Chaqa was afraid of Vecna.

He also seemed to think there was a good chance Balki was the priest.

[Chaqa]

Nightkill analysis is actually kind of interesting this game. I never think it's smart to write things off as wifom.

Vecna was killed before the clears for a reason. I'm also wondering which player would fear him enough to nightkill him before then? Damo posted in the first day Vecna usually gets things wrong so unless he was lying he doesn't have a super high opinion of Vecna and I doubt he'd make a fearkill for the sake of fearkilling unless Vecna was pretty accurate this game. I don't know if I see one of the new players fearkilling Vecna either unless he was pretty accurate too. But that wouldn't make much sense for the new town players considering Vecna townread all the new players.

Vecna did scumread Bozo when he died though (but it was in a grouping of other now flipped townies so it's not like he had the entire scumteam nailed). I do think his townreads are generally accurate though and he must have had at least a good chunk of his reads right which leads me to think he was correct on most of his townreads.

Ghug and Kgray are players who might kill Vecna just for the sake of killing him, but I don't think they're scum.
Idk I think Bozo makes the most sense here as he's aware Vecna is usually pretty good, he had a lot of correct townreads, and had his eyes set for him in the future, (but killing him there wouldn't make him look bad at all)

I also think he makes sense killing Balki first. Originally I thought a new/inexperienced person would kill Balki because obvious HR was the priest. But jokes on me lol. Whoever scum was must have picked up on stuff to make them think HR wasn't actually the priest and I think scum Bozo would have picked that up much more likely than newer players.

I think Chaqa makes sense as killing Vecna too. He pushed us hard to NK Vecna last game because that was our best hope at getting a miskill, and we did the whole RB/fake RB thing to make sure it happened. I agreed with him, to be fair, but at least last game scum!Chaqa was afraid of Vecna.

He also seemed to think there was a good chance Balki was the priest.

These are completely fair points. Wrong, but fair.