M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[ghug]

I think it usually happens later in the game when he's town. When I played with scum!bozo he was killed unexpectedly at night without getting too much pressure in the game, so he wasn't called out for not doing his tunneling.

So I don't know lol

I did not want to NK you because I knew there was a good chance you had a bomb, but I was outvoted.

So many things worked out well for town in that game, and yet we still managed to mess it up

Y'all did only get one daykill right all game, and it was D1 when we all bussed. The inventor basically creating two permanent docs and the potential for several more in the game was really problematic.

[ghug]

Their EOD post from the day where we killed damo seemed very townie.

What about it made it seem towny?

It seemed like a lot of work and they published it without enough time to have it save them.

The latter point is actually a negative, not a positive, as it creates a potential scum motivation for it.

[kgray]

I remember kgray buying it.

Eh, kind of. I already thought damo was scum, and I'm always suspicious of you. But yeah, if damo turned out to be the smuggler I'd have for sure voted you the next day.

And that's part of why I'm hesitant to give you much credit for damo's DK. Because if you're scum you knew he wasn't the smuggler and wouldn't have been worried about that connection. All of a sudden the biggest push against you disappears when damo flips goon.

This is a weird argument. It's like you've forgotten it's bad for scum when their teammates die.

I don't mean that you'd selfishly bus damo just to "clear" yourself. I'm just saying that if you're scum then you knew damo wouldn't flip smuggler and then you wouldn't be implicated as scum according to bozo's theory, and you would obviously be a bigger deep threat than damo. So you busing isn't out of the question.

And I think there are worlds where you as scum do try to get a celaph wagon going, and hope that you get a miskill over damo dying, and then jump back to damo when it doesn't look like that's going to happen for the towncred. It's no what I think is the most likely scenario, but it's definitely possible.

[ghug]

What about it made it seem towny?

It seemed like a lot of work and they published it without enough time to have it save them.

The latter point is actually a negative, not a positive, as it creates a potential scum motivation for it.

Oh, I misread.

In any case, I had time to see celaph's post before I voted damo, and it definitely made me feel better about doing so.

[ghug]

Eh, kind of. I already thought damo was scum, and I'm always suspicious of you. But yeah, if damo turned out to be the smuggler I'd have for sure voted you the next day.

And that's part of why I'm hesitant to give you much credit for damo's DK. Because if you're scum you knew he wasn't the smuggler and wouldn't have been worried about that connection. All of a sudden the biggest push against you disappears when damo flips goon.

This is a weird argument. It's like you've forgotten it's bad for scum when their teammates die.

I don't mean that you'd selfishly bus damo just to "clear" yourself. I'm just saying that if you're scum then you knew damo wouldn't flip smuggler and then you wouldn't be implicated as scum according to bozo's theory, and you would obviously be a bigger deep threat than damo. So you busing isn't out of the question.

And I think there are worlds where you as scum do try to get a celaph wagon going, and hope that you get a miskill over damo dying, and then jump back to damo when it doesn't look like that's going to happen for the towncred. It's no what I think is the most likely scenario, but it's definitely possible.

Sure, a bus would have made even less sense if damo had been the snuggler, but it doesn't make more sense because he wasn't.

[Hellenic Riot]

This is a weird argument. It's like you've forgotten it's bad for scum when their teammates die.

I don't mean that you'd selfishly bus damo just to "clear" yourself. I'm just saying that if you're scum then you knew damo wouldn't flip smuggler and then you wouldn't be implicated as scum according to bozo's theory, and you would obviously be a bigger deep threat than damo. So you busing isn't out of the question.

And I think there are worlds where you as scum do try to get a celaph wagon going, and hope that you get a miskill over damo dying, and then jump back to damo when it doesn't look like that's going to happen for the towncred. It's no what I think is the most likely scenario, but it's definitely possible.

Sure, a bus would have made even less sense if damo had been the snuggler, but it doesn't make more sense because he wasn't.

It does if your motivation was just to shove it in Bozo's face

[kgray]

This is a weird argument. It's like you've forgotten it's bad for scum when their teammates die.

I don't mean that you'd selfishly bus damo just to "clear" yourself. I'm just saying that if you're scum then you knew damo wouldn't flip smuggler and then you wouldn't be implicated as scum according to bozo's theory, and you would obviously be a bigger deep threat than damo. So you busing isn't out of the question.

And I think there are worlds where you as scum do try to get a celaph wagon going, and hope that you get a miskill over damo dying, and then jump back to damo when it doesn't look like that's going to happen for the towncred. It's no what I think is the most likely scenario, but it's definitely possible.

Sure, a bus would have made even less sense if damo had been the snuggler, but it doesn't make more sense because he wasn't.

Yes it does, if you're scum and damo was the smuggler you'd have been under a huge amount of pressure after his flip. You would have had to try a lot harder for a miskill.

[kgray]

I don't mean that you'd selfishly bus damo just to "clear" yourself. I'm just saying that if you're scum then you knew damo wouldn't flip smuggler and then you wouldn't be implicated as scum according to bozo's theory, and you would obviously be a bigger deep threat than damo. So you busing isn't out of the question.

And I think there are worlds where you as scum do try to get a celaph wagon going, and hope that you get a miskill over damo dying, and then jump back to damo when it doesn't look like that's going to happen for the towncred. It's no what I think is the most likely scenario, but it's definitely possible.

Sure, a bus would have made even less sense if damo had been the snuggler, but it doesn't make more sense because he wasn't.

Yes it does, if you're scum and damo was the smuggler you'd have been under a huge amount of pressure after his flip. You would have had to try a lot harder for a miskill.

Wait. We're saying the same thing.

[Fluminator]

I mean no disrespect to bozo with this question, but can someone link me to one of his games where he's gained such a great reputation as a town player?

[kgray]

I mean no disrespect to bozo with this question, but can someone link me to one of his games where he's gained such a great reputation as a town player?

M1010 and M1015

[Hellenic Riot]

I mean no disrespect to bozo with this question, but can someone link me to one of his games where he's gained such a great reputation as a town player?

Schrödinger's Bozo can solve a game without even being in it

[Chaqa]

I mean no disrespect to bozo with this question, but can someone link me to one of his games where he's gained such a great reputation as a town player?

IDK specific games but my general impression of Bozo has always been he has a very very good mind for mechanical analysis, but not necessarily for reading people.

[kgray]

I mean no disrespect to bozo with this question, but can someone link me to one of his games where he's gained such a great reputation as a town player?

M1010 and M1015

And what I think is funny about it is both of those games he'd solved it and was DK'd right before kylo and the "good" players who were still alive (xorxes in one and HR in the other) didn't listen to him.

[kgray]

I mean no disrespect to bozo with this question, but can someone link me to one of his games where he's gained such a great reputation as a town player?

M1010 and M1015

And what I think is funny about it is both of those games he'd solved it and was DK'd right before kylo and the "good" players who were still alive (xorxes in one and HR in the other) didn't listen to him.

And yet I'm not listening to him here

[bozotheclown]

I think it usually happens later in the game when he's town. When I played with scum!bozo he was killed unexpectedly at night without getting too much pressure in the game, so he wasn't called out for not doing his tunneling.

So I don't know lol

I did call him out that game for throwing shade instead of actually pushing his reads that game too.

I feel like Bozo having spent almost every day on seth, throwing shade on other growing wagons to jump on them when they grow and get a miskill, and then going back to voting seth inconsequentially every round has been his contributions to the game.
Usually town Bozo is a bit more inspired then this.

Can any people who townread Bozo give me a reason?

That was the day before he blew up on your bomb though, so I didn't get to see if bozo changed his tactics right after being called out on it.

I'm still a little suspicious that we called him out on playing his scum meta this game too, and as soon as we did, he starts the tunneling we expect from town bozo.
I'm also looking back through Vecna's reads and he scumread bozo, and bozo strikes me as the type of player to kill Vecna before the clears for that, and Balki.

But I'm not locked in on him yet.

He's not doing what he did that game, though, right? He's not sticking with one tunnel but finding reasons to hop on other miskill wagons.

I agree that he started tunneling after he was called out on it, and his first target was you, who were (I think) the first to call him out. But his D2 was still pretty solvey. He didn't focus on every single detail, but it's a big game, and I thought he was hunting. And then we had two confirmed scum and a large distraction, and nobody was really being very solvey for a few days.

I think him doing the tunneling thing after being called out makes sense for town!bozo and I don't find it suspicious. Although bozo himself wants us to view potentially scummy things as being scummy, so I guess he can have half a scumpoint for that

I found 2 definitions of tunneling on mafia websites:

"Tunneling is when a player is so convinced that another is scum that they are unwilling to look at other cases or consider that they might be wrong."

"Tunneling – Consistently pressuring one person to the point it interferes with their gameplay (on town or mafia)."

I try not to do the first.

[ghug]

I don't mean that you'd selfishly bus damo just to "clear" yourself. I'm just saying that if you're scum then you knew damo wouldn't flip smuggler and then you wouldn't be implicated as scum according to bozo's theory, and you would obviously be a bigger deep threat than damo. So you busing isn't out of the question.

And I think there are worlds where you as scum do try to get a celaph wagon going, and hope that you get a miskill over damo dying, and then jump back to damo when it doesn't look like that's going to happen for the towncred. It's no what I think is the most likely scenario, but it's definitely possible.

Sure, a bus would have made even less sense if damo had been the snuggler, but it doesn't make more sense because he wasn't.

Yes it does, if you're scum and damo was the smuggler you'd have been under a huge amount of pressure after his flip. You would have had to try a lot harder for a miskill.

"Sure, a bus would have made even less sense if damo had been the snuggler"

[kgray]

Sure, a bus would have made even less sense if damo had been the snuggler, but it doesn't make more sense because he wasn't.

Yes it does, if you're scum and damo was the smuggler you'd have been under a huge amount of pressure after his flip. You would have had to try a lot harder for a miskill.

"Sure, a bus would have made even less sense if damo had been the snuggler"

redundant

[Hellenic Riot]

I mean no disrespect to bozo with this question, but can someone link me to one of his games where he's gained such a great reputation as a town player?

M1010 and M1015

And what I think is funny about it is both of those games he'd solved it and was DK'd right before kylo and the "good" players who were still alive (xorxes in one and HR in the other) didn't listen to him.

Technically I did actually listen to him that kylo, it just didn't matter because the entire town daykilled me instead

[kgray]

M1010 and M1015

And what I think is funny about it is both of those games he'd solved it and was DK'd right before kylo and the "good" players who were still alive (xorxes in one and HR in the other) didn't listen to him.

Technically I did actually listen to him that kylo, it just didn't matter because the entire town daykilled me instead

The entire town including yourself haha

[Hellenic Riot]

And what I think is funny about it is both of those games he'd solved it and was DK'd right before kylo and the "good" players who were still alive (xorxes in one and HR in the other) didn't listen to him.

Technically I did actually listen to him that kylo, it just didn't matter because the entire town daykilled me instead

The entire town including yourself haha

I voted summit until it was clear that I was going to die