M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[aarodactyl]

aarodactyl suggested DKing damo with 30 minutes left in D4, when damo had no votes and Jamie had 12, but aarodactyl did not mention damo at all N4, and was hesitant to vote for damo D5.

Voting late in the round isn’t the same as being hesitant. Also explaining my vote isn’t the same as well.

Also the reason I wanted to switch to damo D4 was because Jamie hadn’t met the active standards and was going to be day killed.

Suggesting damo implied he was your top scum read, though, and you did not make a case for him being the DK D5.

I said I’d be down to vote for them and then there was a huge wagon. Why would I need to talk people into it? But also I recall pointing out some things like how maniacs analysis of the aggregate list actually threw the most sus on damo

[bozotheclown]

Voting late in the round isn’t the same as being hesitant. Also explaining my vote isn’t the same as well.

Also the reason I wanted to switch to damo D4 was because Jamie hadn’t met the active standards and was going to be day killed.

Suggesting damo implied he was your top scum read, though, and you did not make a case for him being the DK D5.

I said I’d be down to vote for them and then there was a huge wagon. Why would I need to talk people into it? But also I recall pointing out some things like how maniacs analysis of the aggregate list actually threw the most sus on damo

You had been consistent in your scum reads of damo or Bonatogether, you had then as your top 2 scum in your N3 list, so I would expect you to try to convince others that they are scum. If you thought damo was scum, why wouldn't you try to talk others into voting for him if you want town to win?

[bozotheclown]

Also, why did you wait so long today to vote for Bonatogether?

I scumread Bona less than I did a few days ago and I wanted to see if I’d have other options.

Who else do you suspect could be the last scum?

[ghug]

Also, why did you wait so long today to vote for Bonatogether?

I scumread Bona less than I did a few days ago and I wanted to see if I’d have other options.

What other options? Why haven't you made any effort to create other options if you're not happy with Bona?

[Fluminator]

It's okay I forgive you kgray

Oh goodie

Do you think scum thought Balki was the Priest?

I do not know. I think that's most likely. The only other alternative is someone made a suboptimal move to frame one of the newer players. But why go through that effort instead of an easy Balki daykill? I don't see anyone's ego being that large to make the game that much more difficult intentionally.
As much as I rib on Chaqa he's usually a very competent scum player and not someone who'd make that mistake either.
Bozo might be the only player galaxybrained enough left to do something like that intentionally as a triple bluff or something idk.

I think we'll find out soon. If Bona flips town I'll do a deeper dive into it.

[Fluminator]

If Aaro is scum, I'm not seeing it.
(Oblgatory "I might be wrong" so I don't potentially look foolish eog")

[aarodactyl]

Suggesting damo implied he was your top scum read, though, and you did not make a case for him being the DK D5.

I said I’d be down to vote for them and then there was a huge wagon. Why would I need to talk people into it? But also I recall pointing out some things like how maniacs analysis of the aggregate list actually threw the most sus on damo

You had been consistent in your scum reads of damo or Bonatogether, you had then as your top 2 scum in your N3 list, so I would expect you to try to convince others that they are scum. If you thought damo was scum, why wouldn't you try to talk others into voting for him if you want town to win?

To be fair, whenever I play games based on reads, I’m never that confident my choices. You don’t know that because this is my first game on here. I stated my reasons for thinking damo was scum. I’m not going to yell at people to vote based on that. Also there was a lot of pushback to me calling out all of damos math as scummy. Given that all of the other vocal players know damo better than me, I want going to push it too much.

[Fluminator]

@bona, when you wake up tomorrow can you please explain why you still want to wagon me even though I'm probably town. Do you town read everyone else more?

Bona, you missed answering this.

[kgray]

I still can't get over the feeling that the scum would have been delighted to see me claim and hardpush Flum D5 (Unless Flum is scum), and that they'd have found a way or at least an option to join a Flum wagon. Aaro ruled it out pretty much immediately and narrowed himself down to Damo and Bona. I just don't see him doing that as scum... Whereas Bona went back and found a lot of reasons to scumread Flum.

Not to mention his reasons to scumread Flum didn't really hold up when I questioned him, and the only tangible thing he scurmead Flum for was your push. When I pointed out that your push was filled with holes, he didn't respond.

[kgray]

I still can't get over the feeling that the scum would have been delighted to see me claim and hardpush Flum D5 (Unless Flum is scum), and that they'd have found a way or at least an option to join a Flum wagon. Aaro ruled it out pretty much immediately and narrowed himself down to Damo and Bona. I just don't see him doing that as scum... Whereas Bona went back and found a lot of reasons to scumread Flum.

aarodactyl was sticking to his N3 scum reads, and only eliminated you when it was explained that you claimed PR.

K but why is that scummy?

[aarodactyl]

Also, why did you wait so long today to vote for Bonatogether?

I scumread Bona less than I did a few days ago and I wanted to see if I’d have other options.

What other options? Why haven't you made any effort to create other options if you're not happy with Bona?

I haven’t had that much time to play mafia recently. I’ve been very tired and all the chances that would have been good, I’ve ended up sleeping instead (and before you call this out because I said I played among us and made latkes yesterday, that was preceded by an hour long nap).

I know that’s not satisfying to hear, but I can’t do much about that. My plan was to look back at everyone’s posting stats and try to find some value in that. There are some people that have posted consistently all game and then there are others than dipped out for days 3 and 4. I’m pretty suspicious of people in that latter group but I haven’t gone through to find out who they are exactly.

Pretty much all that’s left in this game is reads so I was hoping a more experienced player would have a suggestion and start a train. And then I would decide between that person and Bona. I didn’t want a Bona train to take off early because as we saw with damo and celaph, late trains can be helpful.

[bozotheclown]

I said I’d be down to vote for them and then there was a huge wagon. Why would I need to talk people into it? But also I recall pointing out some things like how maniacs analysis of the aggregate list actually threw the most sus on damo

You had been consistent in your scum reads of damo or Bonatogether, you had then as your top 2 scum in your N3 list, so I would expect you to try to convince others that they are scum. If you thought damo was scum, why wouldn't you try to talk others into voting for him if you want town to win?

To be fair, whenever I play games based on reads, I’m never that confident my choices. You don’t know that because this is my first game on here. I stated my reasons for thinking damo was scum. I’m not going to yell at people to vote based on that. Also there was a lot of pushback to me calling out all of damos math as scummy. Given that all of the other vocal players know damo better than me, I want going to push it too much.

Also, doubling down on bad math seems pretty scummy to me. However, I don't know damo enough to be solid in this read. Does this seem like something he'd do from previous games?

It looks like you initiated the "pushback" by asking this question.

[aarodactyl]

Also, why did you wait so long today to vote for Bonatogether?

I scumread Bona less than I did a few days ago and I wanted to see if I’d have other options.

Who else do you suspect could be the last scum?

I haven’t done the investigative work I’ve wanted to (see my recent response to Ghug) but you and Chaqa come to mind. Also it’s weird to me how much Ghug is fixated on me but tbh it’s probably NAI at scummiest.

[bozotheclown]

I still can't get over the feeling that the scum would have been delighted to see me claim and hardpush Flum D5 (Unless Flum is scum), and that they'd have found a way or at least an option to join a Flum wagon. Aaro ruled it out pretty much immediately and narrowed himself down to Damo and Bona. I just don't see him doing that as scum... Whereas Bona went back and found a lot of reasons to scumread Flum.

Not to mention his reasons to scumread Flum didn't really hold up when I questioned him, and the only tangible thing he scurmead Flum for was your push. When I pointed out that your push was filled with holes, he didn't respond.

Any reason to scum read Fluminator is good.

[aarodactyl]

You had been consistent in your scum reads of damo or Bonatogether, you had then as your top 2 scum in your N3 list, so I would expect you to try to convince others that they are scum. If you thought damo was scum, why wouldn't you try to talk others into voting for him if you want town to win?

To be fair, whenever I play games based on reads, I’m never that confident my choices. You don’t know that because this is my first game on here. I stated my reasons for thinking damo was scum. I’m not going to yell at people to vote based on that. Also there was a lot of pushback to me calling out all of damos math as scummy. Given that all of the other vocal players know damo better than me, I want going to push it too much.

Also, doubling down on bad math seems pretty scummy to me. However, I don't know damo enough to be solid in this read. Does this seem like something he'd do from previous games?

It looks like you initiated the "pushback" by asking this question.

If stating my opinion, saying that I’m not completely sure, and then asking people for input is scummy then I’m going to get DKed in every game I play.

[kgray]

aarodactyl suggested DKing damo with 30 minutes left in D4, when damo had no votes and Jamie had 12, but aarodactyl did not mention damo at all N4, and was hesitant to vote for damo D5.

Voting late in the round isn’t the same as being hesitant. Also explaining my vote isn’t the same as well.

Also the reason I wanted to switch to damo D4 was because Jamie hadn’t met the active standards and was going to be day killed.

Suggesting damo implied he was your top scum read, though, and you did not make a case for him being the DK D5.

Bozo do you believe that he was trying to start a damo wagon because he thought Jamie would be modkilled? And if you do, do you really think he does that if he's scum with both of them?

[kgray]

It's okay I forgive you kgray

Oh goodie

Do you think scum thought Balki was the Priest?

I do not know. I think that's most likely. The only other alternative is someone made a suboptimal move to frame one of the newer players. But why go through that effort instead of an easy Balki daykill? I don't see anyone's ego being that large to make the game that much more difficult intentionally.
As much as I rib on Chaqa he's usually a very competent scum player and not someone who'd make that mistake either.
Bozo might be the only player galaxybrained enough left to do something like that intentionally as a triple bluff or something idk.

I think we'll find out soon. If Bona flips town I'll do a deeper dive into it.

You think Balki would have been daykilled if HR had died last night?

[bozotheclown]

I still can't get over the feeling that the scum would have been delighted to see me claim and hardpush Flum D5 (Unless Flum is scum), and that they'd have found a way or at least an option to join a Flum wagon. Aaro ruled it out pretty much immediately and narrowed himself down to Damo and Bona. I just don't see him doing that as scum... Whereas Bona went back and found a lot of reasons to scumread Flum.

aarodactyl was sticking to his N3 scum reads, and only eliminated you when it was explained that you claimed PR.

K but why is that scummy?

I didn't say it was, but it would be a reason not to town read him for not scum reading Fluminator. As town he may not have changed him mind, but as scum he might not want to explain a change in reads.

[kgray]

I still can't get over the feeling that the scum would have been delighted to see me claim and hardpush Flum D5 (Unless Flum is scum), and that they'd have found a way or at least an option to join a Flum wagon. Aaro ruled it out pretty much immediately and narrowed himself down to Damo and Bona. I just don't see him doing that as scum... Whereas Bona went back and found a lot of reasons to scumread Flum.

Not to mention his reasons to scumread Flum didn't really hold up when I questioned him, and the only tangible thing he scurmead Flum for was your push. When I pointed out that your push was filled with holes, he didn't respond.

Any reason to scum read Fluminator is good.

lol okay bozo. I don't think aaro is scum. You don't think bona is scum. What to vote Flum together?

[kgray]

I'm going to feel so stupid if aaro does turn out to be scum, but literally everything he's doing that you're scumreading him for can be explained by him being a new player. He doesn't push hard to get wagons on his scumreads - fine. He asks experienced players about people's meta - fine. He isn't confident in his vote - fine.

I get that you can see a scum motivation for it but there's an equally plausible town explanation for it too.