M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[aarodactyl]

But he said "Wait how did that work. Good job Balki."

Yes, and I don't see why you think that's scummy. Because when I saw Balki's flip everything made sense, so I feel like his reaction is similar to mine. Why do you think aaro wouldn't have figured out what Balki was doing once he saw the flip?

You think he meant "wait how did my NK go through, I was certain HR was the priest and would save Balki"? Or "wait how did Balki trick me, I was certain he was the priest who couldn't save himself and that's why I killed him"?

I've gone over this with him already, but here's the gist:

• aaro has no fucking clue what Balki is doing

• Balki flips VT

• People start reacting. Flum and I think it's hilarious that Balki actually baited a kill (something consistent with our previous takes on Balki and our not wanting to kill HR). HR thinks it's funny he's not dead. Celaph says that all the priest noise worked better than he expected. Chaqa yawns because he stayed up too late playing Among Us and planning Chipotle dates with imaginary partners.

• Aaro reacts like Flum and I did, instead of saying "wtf I thought he was going to be priest or scum.

• aaro's reaction also just doesn't pass the town organicity smell test. This bit I don't really expect people to follow, but I feel it strongly in my bones.

uugghhh. I'm so over you saying I didn't have any clue at what balki was doing and then saying that means I did a weird scumslip. I knew there were several options that balki could have been doing. I didn't think he was VT, but that doesn't mean I was sure he wasn't VT. I also had talked the previous night about how I wanted to talk more about the situation the next day.

[ghug]

Yes, and I don't see why you think that's scummy. Because when I saw Balki's flip everything made sense, so I feel like his reaction is similar to mine. Why do you think aaro wouldn't have figured out what Balki was doing once he saw the flip?

You think he meant "wait how did my NK go through, I was certain HR was the priest and would save Balki"? Or "wait how did Balki trick me, I was certain he was the priest who couldn't save himself and that's why I killed him"?

I've gone over this with him already, but here's the gist:

• aaro has no fucking clue what Balki is doing

• Balki flips VT

• People start reacting. Flum and I think it's hilarious that Balki actually baited a kill (something consistent with our previous takes on Balki and our not wanting to kill HR). HR thinks it's funny he's not dead. Celaph says that all the priest noise worked better than he expected. Chaqa yawns because he stayed up too late playing Among Us and planning Chipotle dates with imaginary partners.

• Aaro reacts like Flum and I did, instead of saying "wtf I thought he was going to be priest or scum.

• aaro's reaction also just doesn't pass the town organicity smell test. This bit I don't really expect people to follow, but I feel it strongly in my bones.

uugghhh. I'm so over you saying I didn't have any clue at what balki was doing and then saying that means I did a weird scumslip. I knew there were several options that balki could have been doing. I didn't think he was VT, but that doesn't mean I was sure he wasn't VT. I also had talked the previous night about how I wanted to talk more about the situation the next day.

What were you going to say about the situation the next day?

What happened to being the change?

[Bonatogether]

I'm up too late to be playing mafia but I'm going to ##vote aaro. I think we should vote celaph or flum but it doesn't look like there's enough support for those today.

[ghug]

I'm up too late to be playing mafia but I'm going to ##vote aaro. I think we should vote celaph or flum but it doesn't look like there's enough support for those today.

Why Flum?

Is it because he thought Balki was the priest?

[kgray]

But why is that scummy? Why does scum do that, instead of acknowledging surprise and confusion? Wouldn't scum be *more* likely to play up being confused as to why Balki's gambit worked?

Wait. Never mind. I just re-read this, and I'm not making sense.

I see your point. Scum wouldn't want to admit they didn't know what Balki was doing if they were really tricked by Balki.

Okay.

No, I get what you're saying.

I was even kinda taken by your argument that his reaction mirrored how you felt, but then I went and found your reaction. You said "Oh. Okay, I get it now. Sorry Balki.

Ugh, I don't know. I was writing up a reply about how I think our reactions were different in tone but not necessarily coming from different alignments but I can't really logically defend him. I get your point, and it does seem like he's being inconsistent.

But if he's scum, then he just merged Flum's/your reaction into his, and didn't bother to think about how he was presenting his opinion of Balki's role yesterday/last night. That's weird, and would pretty lazy. Not something I'd expect from him, and I think not something you'd expect since you think he's competent. Don't you think he'd have thought that through more?

Presumably, scum had to make a decision about whether or not to kill Balki based on whether or not they thought he was the Priest. I think that whoever is scum (including aaro) could have thought of a more organic-sounding way to react to either role Balki had - or just not reacted to it.

And I don't see any reason to brush off the scenario where aaro is town who just realized what Balki was doing and was surprised by it and its effectiveness. Nothing about his reaction makes me think that's not possible.

[celaph]

@bona, when you wake up tomorrow can you please explain why you still want to wagon me even though I'm probably town. Do you town read everyone else more?

[ghug]

Wait. Never mind. I just re-read this, and I'm not making sense.

I see your point. Scum wouldn't want to admit they didn't know what Balki was doing if they were really tricked by Balki.

Okay.

No, I get what you're saying.

I was even kinda taken by your argument that his reaction mirrored how you felt, but then I went and found your reaction. You said "Oh. Okay, I get it now. Sorry Balki.

Ugh, I don't know. I was writing up a reply about how I think our reactions were different in tone but not necessarily coming from different alignments but I can't really logically defend him. I get your point, and it does seem like he's being inconsistent.

But if he's scum, then he just merged Flum's/your reaction into his, and didn't bother to think about how he was presenting his opinion of Balki's role yesterday/last night. That's weird, and would pretty lazy. Not something I'd expect from him, and I think not something you'd expect since you think he's competent. Don't you think he'd have thought that through more?

Presumably, scum had to make a decision about whether or not to kill Balki based on whether or not they thought he was the Priest. I think that whoever is scum (including aaro) could have thought of a more organic-sounding way to react to either role Balki had - or just not reacted to it.

And I don't see any reason to brush off the scenario where aaro is town who just realized what Balki was doing and was surprised by it and its effectiveness. Nothing about his reaction makes me think that's not possible.

"

[kgray]

No, I get what you're saying.

I was even kinda taken by your argument that his reaction mirrored how you felt, but then I went and found your reaction. You said "Oh. Okay, I get it now. Sorry Balki.

Ugh, I don't know. I was writing up a reply about how I think our reactions were different in tone but not necessarily coming from different alignments but I can't really logically defend him. I get your point, and it does seem like he's being inconsistent.

But if he's scum, then he just merged Flum's/your reaction into his, and didn't bother to think about how he was presenting his opinion of Balki's role yesterday/last night. That's weird, and would pretty lazy. Not something I'd expect from him, and I think not something you'd expect since you think he's competent. Don't you think he'd have thought that through more?

Presumably, scum had to make a decision about whether or not to kill Balki based on whether or not they thought he was the Priest. I think that whoever is scum (including aaro) could have thought of a more organic-sounding way to react to either role Balki had - or just not reacted to it.

And I don't see any reason to brush off the scenario where aaro is town who just realized what Balki was doing and was surprised by it and its effectiveness. Nothing about his reaction makes me think that's not possible.

"

You're so redundant.

[ghug]

No, I get what you're saying.

I was even kinda taken by your argument that his reaction mirrored how you felt, but then I went and found your reaction. You said "Oh. Okay, I get it now. Sorry Balki.

Ugh, I don't know. I was writing up a reply about how I think our reactions were different in tone but not necessarily coming from different alignments but I can't really logically defend him. I get your point, and it does seem like he's being inconsistent.

But if he's scum, then he just merged Flum's/your reaction into his, and didn't bother to think about how he was presenting his opinion of Balki's role yesterday/last night. That's weird, and would pretty lazy. Not something I'd expect from him, and I think not something you'd expect since you think he's competent. Don't you think he'd have thought that through more?

Presumably, scum had to make a decision about whether or not to kill Balki based on whether or not they thought he was the Priest. I think that whoever is scum (including aaro) could have thought of a more organic-sounding way to react to either role Balki had - or just not reacted to it.

And I don't see any reason to brush off the scenario where aaro is town who just realized what Balki was doing and was surprised by it and its effectiveness. Nothing about his reaction makes me think that's not possible.

"

This largely comes down to us disagreeing, which is fine. I think we understand each other clearly enough that we're not going to move each other much, so I think we should listen to whichever scumbucket suggested we talk about other people.

I will say that thinking he's competent isn't the same as thinking he's good. We hold new players to a lower standard for a reason. There will be cracks in his scum game if he's scum, they'll just be harder to see behind his demonstrating an understanding of the game and a willingness to talk, and a lack of meta knowledge on him. I think this could be one of those cracks. I think the hesitance to vote that bozo points out could be another. There's a lack of anything to warrant a strong townread in my eyes. There were some weird interactions with Bunny. It adds up.

[kgray]

Alright ghug, who do you want to talk about?

[aarodactyl]

I've gone over this with him already, but here's the gist:

• aaro has no fucking clue what Balki is doing

• Balki flips VT

• People start reacting. Flum and I think it's hilarious that Balki actually baited a kill (something consistent with our previous takes on Balki and our not wanting to kill HR). HR thinks it's funny he's not dead. Celaph says that all the priest noise worked better than he expected. Chaqa yawns because he stayed up too late playing Among Us and planning Chipotle dates with imaginary partners.

• Aaro reacts like Flum and I did, instead of saying "wtf I thought he was going to be priest or scum.

• aaro's reaction also just doesn't pass the town organicity smell test. This bit I don't really expect people to follow, but I feel it strongly in my bones.

uugghhh. I'm so over you saying I didn't have any clue at what balki was doing and then saying that means I did a weird scumslip. I knew there were several options that balki could have been doing. I didn't think he was VT, but that doesn't mean I was sure he wasn't VT. I also had talked the previous night about how I wanted to talk more about the situation the next day.

What were you going to say about the situation the next day?

What happened to being the change?

I played among us and made latkes. Both took much longer than expected.

I was going to talk about the possible permutations and what we wanted to do about them. I wanted one of them to eventually retract their claims.

[ghug]

Ugh, I don't know. I was writing up a reply about how I think our reactions were different in tone but not necessarily coming from different alignments but I can't really logically defend him. I get your point, and it does seem like he's being inconsistent.

But if he's scum, then he just merged Flum's/your reaction into his, and didn't bother to think about how he was presenting his opinion of Balki's role yesterday/last night. That's weird, and would pretty lazy. Not something I'd expect from him, and I think not something you'd expect since you think he's competent. Don't you think he'd have thought that through more?

Presumably, scum had to make a decision about whether or not to kill Balki based on whether or not they thought he was the Priest. I think that whoever is scum (including aaro) could have thought of a more organic-sounding way to react to either role Balki had - or just not reacted to it.

And I don't see any reason to brush off the scenario where aaro is town who just realized what Balki was doing and was surprised by it and its effectiveness. Nothing about his reaction makes me think that's not possible.

"

You're so redundant.

You don't even have redundancy to distinguish yourself anymore.

[ghug]

Alright ghug, who do you want to talk about?

aaro said he wanted to talk about me. I like talking about me.

[kgray]

"

You're so redundant.

You don't even have redundancy to distinguish yourself anymore.

True, I'm just one of the 4 new players in this game, and we all blend together so much.

[kgray]

Alright ghug, who do you want to talk about?

aaro said he wanted to talk about me. I like talking about me.

But I don't want to talk about you. It's hard for me to read you, or to trust my read of you... But I haven't gotten any paranoid feelings about you so I think you're town and I'm willing to just assume that for a while.

[ghug]

Alright ghug, who do you want to talk about?

aaro said he wanted to talk about me. I like talking about me.

But I don't want to talk about you. It's hard for me to read you, or to trust my read of you... But I haven't gotten any paranoid feelings about you so I think you're town and I'm willing to just assume that for a while.

That probably means I'm scum.

[kgray]

aaro said he wanted to talk about me. I like talking about me.

But I don't want to talk about you. It's hard for me to read you, or to trust my read of you... But I haven't gotten any paranoid feelings about you so I think you're town and I'm willing to just assume that for a while.

That probably means I'm scum.

Yeah, but this is around the point in the game in M60 when I was pretty suspicious of you based on how you interacted with just one flipped scum. So this game where we have a bunch more scum flipped and I haven't seen that, I'm not as worried. You could have changed up your scum game.... but bozo said he doesn't think you're scum, so I'll trust both of us on that for now.

[celaph]

Alright ghug, who do you want to talk about?

aaro said he wanted to talk about me. I like talking about me.

But I don't want to talk about you. It's hard for me to read you, or to trust my read of you... But I haven't gotten any paranoid feelings about you so I think you're town and I'm willing to just assume that for a while.

Who do you want to talk about then?

[dargorygel]

Welcome, one and all to today’s Mafia Derby Stakes!
Coming around turn four, AARODACTYL takes the lead by a nose!

Aarodactyl (3): ghug, bozo, bona
Bona (2): Chaqa, Flum

Not leaving the starting gate (voting wise)
aaro, celaph, HR, kgray

11 Hours and around Four Mintes left in this race.
(wait… commies don’t do horse racing… nvm….)

[dargorygel]

(and we need more mintes, apparantly.)