M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[ghug]

I don’t think it was retracted. The post just said they were retracting their vote for HR because they thought they were VT. They never said they weren’t priest

I still find it hard to understand how anyone could have read it this way, but you and kgray can't both be scum, so I guess I believe you.

I think my chief issue with your reaction, beyond the tone reading as forced and awkward, is that you were surprised that Balki's ploy (which you weren't aware of before the flip) worked, not that he'd flipped VT (which you hadn't considered as a possibility, and thus should have been surprised by).

Also you were fooled by Balki's claim, which we can surmise is true of the final scum, so you've got that working against you.

I knew it was an option they were VT and that it was a ploy to protect HR. However, I thought it was unlikely. The fact they were VT and the ploy are equivalent to me so I think dissecting my reaction doesn’t make sense.

It’s a fair point that I’d have it in common with the last scum. But also if i was scum, would I have made my surprise so obvious?

You didn't make your surprise at his role obvious! You pretended to be surprised that it worked.

[Hellenic Riot]

Not to mention that the best chance of getting me daykilled in the scenario where Balki was the priest... Was to kill Balki and have him flip priest. Not to keep us both alive when neither of us was remotely interested in getting the other.

[aarodactyl]

There's a fairly obvious flaw in this logic in that the scum patently knew we were both town and therefore that one of us would retract in that scenario... Which meant that that would only work if they thought they could get us miskilled after the retraction. Which is a pretty doubtful strategy given I'd townread Balki and indeed he had townread me.

I think it's not inconceivable that one could get a miskill on you or Balki. Kgray and myself where giving you a hard time for your reads while Balki hasn't looked great most of the game.

I think it's also a little weird that aaro is the only one getting scum read for this. Both flum and myself also expressed surprise earlier. Using this to justify an aaro scum game strikes me as more conf bias than a stand alone argument.

Who said I was scumreading him for it?

I concede that in the scenario where Balki was the priest then perhaps I may have been daykillable, but I'd still like to know just who he expected to die instead (apparently nobody)

I’m purposely not saying who I thought would die last night. I still think Balki was a bad kill and I don’t want to give the last scum any ideas.

If a few people all ask me to share, I can but I don’t think it’s a good idea

[aarodactyl]

Not to mention that the best chance of getting me daykilled in the scenario where Balki was the priest... Was to kill Balki and have him flip priest. Not to keep us both alive when neither of us was remotely interested in getting the other.

To be honest, I didn’t think through a lot of the situations on how priest would resolve. I was going to push the conversation today (as I think I said yesterday). I didn’t want to give more information away at night

[aarodactyl]

Also I’m fine if people keep asking me questions, but can we also examine some other people? I’m worried that the whole day is going to be about me and when I flip town, it’s going to mean the whole day was wasted.

Unfortunately, I don’t have any strong scumreads. It’s basically just Bona at this point and maybe Ghug.

[ghug]

Also I’m fine if people keep asking me questions, but can we also examine some other people? I’m worried that the whole day is going to be about me and when I flip town, it’s going to mean the whole day was wasted.

Unfortunately, I don’t have any strong scumreads. It’s basically just Bona at this point and maybe Ghug.

Be the change.

[aarodactyl]

I still find it hard to understand how anyone could have read it this way, but you and kgray can't both be scum, so I guess I believe you.

I think my chief issue with your reaction, beyond the tone reading as forced and awkward, is that you were surprised that Balki's ploy (which you weren't aware of before the flip) worked, not that he'd flipped VT (which you hadn't considered as a possibility, and thus should have been surprised by).

Also you were fooled by Balki's claim, which we can surmise is true of the final scum, so you've got that working against you.

I knew it was an option they were VT and that it was a ploy to protect HR. However, I thought it was unlikely. The fact they were VT and the ploy are equivalent to me so I think dissecting my reaction doesn’t make sense.

It’s a fair point that I’d have it in common with the last scum. But also if i was scum, would I have made my surprise so obvious?

You didn't make your surprise at his role obvious! You pretended to be surprised that it worked.

I wasn’t pretending anything since I’m not scum. Also I’m saying those two things are the same to me.

Also when did I say I didn’t think Balki could have been VT? I thought it was unlikely but of course it was a possibility

[aarodactyl]

Also I’m fine if people keep asking me questions, but can we also examine some other people? I’m worried that the whole day is going to be about me and when I flip town, it’s going to mean the whole day was wasted.

Unfortunately, I don’t have any strong scumreads. It’s basically just Bona at this point and maybe Ghug.

Be the change.

Fair. That’s part of the point of the post but also I’ll actually start a discussion on someone later today. I’m about to go get groceries

[ghug]

I knew it was an option they were VT and that it was a ploy to protect HR. However, I thought it was unlikely. The fact they were VT and the ploy are equivalent to me so I think dissecting my reaction doesn’t make sense.

It’s a fair point that I’d have it in common with the last scum. But also if i was scum, would I have made my surprise so obvious?

You didn't make your surprise at his role obvious! You pretended to be surprised that it worked.

I wasn’t pretending anything since I’m not scum. Also I’m saying those two things are the same to me.

Also when did I say I didn’t think Balki could have been VT? I thought it was unlikely but of course it was a possibility

They're not the same.. One was the sentiment others were expressing already (being surprised that scum had chosen to kill him). The other is the thing that surprised you (that he was a VT). You went with the first one.

I don't see evidence you were seriously considering Balki-as-VT as possibility, and you've said very recently you thought it was unlikely. I don't think there's a meaningful semantic distinction there.

[ghug]

Also I’m fine if people keep asking me questions, but can we also examine some other people? I’m worried that the whole day is going to be about me and when I flip town, it’s going to mean the whole day was wasted.

Unfortunately, I don’t have any strong scumreads. It’s basically just Bona at this point and maybe Ghug.

Be the change.

Fair. That’s part of the point of the post but also I’ll actually start a discussion on someone later today. I’m about to go get groceries

Which grocery store do you go to?

[aarodactyl]

Be the change.

Fair. That’s part of the point of the post but also I’ll actually start a discussion on someone later today. I’m about to go get groceries

Which grocery store do you go to?

I’m in Capitol Hill so I live within walking distance of like 8 grocery stores. We usually go to qfc but today we drove to south seattle Costco

[aarodactyl]

You didn't make your surprise at his role obvious! You pretended to be surprised that it worked.

I wasn’t pretending anything since I’m not scum. Also I’m saying those two things are the same to me.

Also when did I say I didn’t think Balki could have been VT? I thought it was unlikely but of course it was a possibility

They're not the same.. One was the sentiment others were expressing already (being surprised that scum had chosen to kill him). The other is the thing that surprised you (that he was a VT). You went with the first one.

I don't see evidence you were seriously considering Balki-as-VT as possibility, and you've said very recently you thought it was unlikely. I don't think there's a meaningful semantic distinction there.

Oh. I was saying that “Balki is VT” and “Balki was doing a ploy” were the same. I must have misread something you wrote. Those and “scum deciding to kill Balki” are different so you’re right there. Both surprised me. I don’t remember exactly what I said but from what I remember, I expressed surprised that the ploy worked (like you said above). I guess it’s fair to question why I didn’t say I was surprised by the role, but I will say I’m allowed to be surprised by more than one thing.

[aarodactyl]

I’m going out again but considering we have 25 hours left in this phase, I don’t think there’s too much of a rush for the post I want to write. My SO works this evening so I’ll write something up then

[kgray]

I reread ghug's posts D5 when I thought damo being the smuggler would implicate him. I could not find anything too suspicious, but ghug is good as scum.

Why did you just reread that? damo wasn't the smuggler, so I wouldn't expect you to find anything there that implicates ghug.

[kgray]

@ghug you asked me why I thought Balki was a bad kill. The reason is that town was going to have to resolve that eventually by killing either him or HR. And until then, we wouldn’t fully trust either of them.

There's a fairly obvious flaw in this logic in that the scum patently knew we were both town and therefore that one of us would retract in that scenario... Which meant that that would only work if they thought they could get us miskilled after the retraction. Which is a pretty doubtful strategy given I'd townread Balki and indeed he had townread me.

I get your point, but I can see where aaro's coming from. There were plenty of people that thought you were scummy enough to be up for the daykill if you turned out to not be the priest. If you retracted and Balki didn't, I'd have voted for you. It *is* odd that scum killed Balki, and they definitely narrowed things down for me.

So it seems likely that the final scum is someone who believed Balki was the priest but didn't believe that town would "disobey" and vote for one of you. So they killed what they thought was the final PR, which would lead to your miskill. Right?

That makes me think maybe Flum? Maybe Chaqa?

But I also dislike NK wifom arguments, so I don't know if this is really worth exploring. My main point is, I don't see how this is scummy from aaro. I agree with him.

[dargorygel]

Since nothing has changed…
Here is a repeat of the last VC.

Bona-together again (2): Chaqa 2.0, reFlum
aarodactyls (2):ghoogles, bozothesecond
Ununvote (1): bonabona

Not doing their duty:
aaroaaro, celaph twice, Hellenic Riot Riot, KK gray

No one is going to be DKed at the moment.

[kgray]

(Also, I may or may not have forgotten to send an order last night because I was so checked out and the idea that Balki would be believed there was incomprehensible)

Worst. Townclear. Ever.

[ghug]

@ghug you asked me why I thought Balki was a bad kill. The reason is that town was going to have to resolve that eventually by killing either him or HR. And until then, we wouldn’t fully trust either of them.

There's a fairly obvious flaw in this logic in that the scum patently knew we were both town and therefore that one of us would retract in that scenario... Which meant that that would only work if they thought they could get us miskilled after the retraction. Which is a pretty doubtful strategy given I'd townread Balki and indeed he had townread me.

I get your point, but I can see where aaro's coming from. There were plenty of people that thought you were scummy enough to be up for the daykill if you turned out to not be the priest. If you retracted and Balki didn't, I'd have voted for you. It *is* odd that scum killed Balki, and they definitely narrowed things down for me.

So it seems likely that the final scum is someone who believed Balki was the priest but didn't believe that town would "disobey" and vote for one of you. So they killed what they thought was the final PR, which would lead to your miskill. Right?

That makes me think maybe Flum? Maybe Chaqa?

But I also dislike NK wifom arguments, so I don't know if this is really worth exploring. My main point is, I don't see how this is scummy from aaro. I agree with him.

You think Flum thought Balki was the priest? Based on what?

[bozotheclown]

I reread ghug's posts D5 when I thought damo being the smuggler would implicate him. I could not find anything too suspicious, but ghug is good as scum.

Why did you just reread that? damo wasn't the smuggler, so I wouldn't expect you to find anything there that implicates ghug.

I said I reread his posts on D5, to see if there was anything to support him being scum with damo.

[Fluminator]

@ghug you asked me why I thought Balki was a bad kill. The reason is that town was going to have to resolve that eventually by killing either him or HR. And until then, we wouldn’t fully trust either of them.

There's a fairly obvious flaw in this logic in that the scum patently knew we were both town and therefore that one of us would retract in that scenario... Which meant that that would only work if they thought they could get us miskilled after the retraction. Which is a pretty doubtful strategy given I'd townread Balki and indeed he had townread me.

I get your point, but I can see where aaro's coming from. There were plenty of people that thought you were scummy enough to be up for the daykill if you turned out to not be the priest. If you retracted and Balki didn't, I'd have voted for you. It *is* odd that scum killed Balki, and they definitely narrowed things down for me.

So it seems likely that the final scum is someone who believed Balki was the priest but didn't believe that town would "disobey" and vote for one of you. So they killed what they thought was the final PR, which would lead to your miskill. Right?

That makes me think maybe Flum? Maybe Chaqa?

But I also dislike NK wifom arguments, so I don't know if this is really worth exploring. My main point is, I don't see how this is scummy from aaro. I agree with him.

I'm actually offended you think I might have thought Balki was the priest.