M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[ghug]

Looking back at my D1 posts, it looks like my only townread was flum because I thought that voting off new players was a good idea. Which in retrospect is a strange choice to make. But for historical accuracy I'll switch my answer to flum, worcej, since it was correctly pointed out that I got confused about when tea was flipped.

Having to reread your own posts to find out who you were town reading seems like something a scum might have to do.

I did this some too. Really big game will do this.

I'm feeling good about aaro being the last scum, and my girlfriend is annoyed that I'm ignoring her for mafia again, so I'm gonna fuck off for a while.

[Bonatogether]

but celaph...

[kgray]

Aaro said he was cool with everyone claiming who they could have visited because of the holy info, then claimed Durga twice, then said he would have visited Vash night one, and then finally claimed Chaqa and "worked".

Normally I hate this but maybe it looks ok given that he'd have to be smuggler?

Yeah and he seemed pretty clear about the point of the hypo-jailer claims being to see who was lying.

But we don't actually *know* there's a smuggler. It feels kind of safe to assume that, but really there could just be one more goon.

Also, his worcej answer doesn't really hold up. He said he was townleaning worcej D2 but he voted for worcej D2 with only 4 hours left in the day saying he had no read on worcej at all.

[bozotheclown]

Aaro said he was cool with everyone claiming who they could have visited because of the holy info, then claimed Durga twice, then said he would have visited Vash night one, and then finally claimed Chaqa and "worked".

Normally I hate this but maybe it looks ok given that he'd have to be smuggler?

aarodactyl seemed very aware of the implications of Durga's claim, if he was the smuggler, I think he would know not to give away his targets, so I am not sure there is anything to be concluded by his multiple attempts to male a believable jailer claim.

[kgray]

Christ do you guys ever shut the fuck up? How am I ever going to read through all this

Hello, who are you? Your name is vaguely familiar. I'm afraid if you want to play Mafia you'll need to wait until the Mafia 63 sign-ups open.

fake, you two talk all the time in the mafia QT.

This was in the middle of a bunch of joke posts from aaro but it seems especially bold now knowing that yoyo was actually scum.

I just don't see why he suddenly becomes so jokey and seems so much more comfortable when two of his teammates have been outed if he's scum.

[bozotheclown]

Aaro said he was cool with everyone claiming who they could have visited because of the holy info, then claimed Durga twice, then said he would have visited Vash night one, and then finally claimed Chaqa and "worked".

Normally I hate this but maybe it looks ok given that he'd have to be smuggler?

Yeah and he seemed pretty clear about the point of the hypo-jailer claims being to see who was lying.

But we don't actually *know* there's a smuggler. It feels kind of safe to assume that, but really there could just be one more goon.

Also, his worcej answer doesn't really hold up. He said he was townleaning worcej D2 but he voted for worcej D2 with only 4 hours left in the day saying he had no read on worcej at all.

aarodactyl made the post he reference about worcej just after changing his vote to Hamilton.

[bozotheclown]

You can say whatever the hell you want.

If you're a VT, this ends better for us if you're covering for the jailer by being plausible enough to draw a nightkill.

I mean I'm operating on the assumption that we do this mass info gathering today and then the jailer outs tonight as previously planned with Durga still doing the Player X reveal at EoN. No need to cancel that plan.

I guess if player X lies about their visiting, we don’t have to reveal jailer?

aarodactyl brings up the possibility of the scum giving fake targets not long after BunnyGo has done so.

[bozotheclown]

My conclusion about D3 is that aarodactyl had a good understanding of the setup and for the most part said the right things about how town should be proceeding, which is not necessarily alignment indicative.

[bozotheclown]

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town
-brain (going back and reading, I agree with a lot of their reads and they are in line what has happened since).
-vash (based only on voting)
-kgray (I don't feel strongly about the their voting record after looking back at the posts. Also rdr seems to think they were town, and they seemed to have good d1 reads)

Scum
-bunny (he's done a lot of things that I am suspicious of. Including the QT thing with Cel and the weird interaction with trying to get jamie to scumslip. I'm still not sure about this read though)
-HB (I sussed them yesterday for their reaction to the QT thing and also for voting for ND. Their D1 posting was mostly casual talk and then pushing the ND wagon. Also I don't like their reads from day 68)
-Balki (I still think they're likely scum based on their voting. However not enough to jump on that wagon yet)

I'm going to jump on the HB wagon for now since it's my strongest feeling. I'm very open to switching though.

##vote HB

Going back to this post where aarodactyl voted for Hamilton D2, aarodactyl saying Hamilton was "pushing the ND wagon" D1 was not really accurate, Hamilton seemed rather uncertain on ND up until he voted for him at EOD. This could have been a case where aarodactyl was fabricating a read on Hamilton. I also think BunnyGo questioning Jamie about the potential scum slip was an odd thing for aarodactyl to scum read BunnyGo for, BunnyGo had me believing he was town based on that.

[Fluminator]

I don't remember being scared. What was I scared about?
I forget if those were fake townslips, but this setup was legitimately so confusing to me.

[Fluminator]

I feel like it's best we daykill Bona today, and then get paranoid about deep threats after that. We basically have to kill him before lylo anyway, and if we do it now we'll have a lot of townies still alive to reanalyze in the night.

Maybe I'm just being lazy at this point.

[ghug]

I feel like it's best we daykill Bona today, and then get paranoid about deep threats after that. We basically have to kill him before lylo anyway, and if we do it now we'll have a lot of townies still alive to reanalyze in the night.

Maybe I'm just being lazy at this point.

You don't want to trust me on Bona without reservation and then make fun of me if I'm wrong?

[Fluminator]

Tell your girlfriend I say hi.

[Fluminator]

You know what, maybe Celaph isn't town. Maybe it was scum vs. scum.
Bona is sus.
Aaro is probably sus too if I reread him.

Lets just kill all the new players.
I've come full circle.

[Chaqa]

You know what, maybe Celaph isn't town. Maybe it was scum vs. scum.
Bona is sus.
Aaro is probably sus too if I reread him.

Lets just kill all the new players.
I've come full circle.

I say we kill him.

[ghug]

You know what, maybe Celaph isn't town. Maybe it was scum vs. scum.
Bona is sus.
Aaro is probably sus too if I reread him.

Lets just kill all the new players.
I've come full circle.

She says I shouldn't trust a Canadian.

Apartment they eat people down there.

[ghug]

Apparently*

[aarodactyl]

Ok. I just checked this before going to bed and wow there’s a lot of posts about me. I’m going to respond to some of them now the rest in the morning.

[aarodactyl]

These are aarodactyl's final votes, excluding D3 and D4. He always seemed to leave himself an option to change his vote, and was not committed to scum reading the town he helped miskill:

Sorry I haven’t been posting much. I just caught up on everything and didn’t realize EOD was so close. I’m going to switch to

##vote ND

My reason behind this is that the initial fighting seemed like a way to clog up discussion. And everything after that has seemed like a way to get attention off themselves. Also I’d be lying if I didn’t say that their posts have also been too abrasive for me, so I won’t be too sad if I’m wrong with the read.

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I'm going to jump on the HB wagon for now since it's my strongest feeling. I'm very open to switching though.

##vote HB

Sorry I haven’t been keeping up with the game for the last couple of days. Based on conversation, a lot of what’s being discussed is tied to how people have played in previous games and that’s fairly inaccessible for me.

For now, I agree with flipping Damo. Him, Bona, and HR were my top scumreads. And HR is apparently priest now (though seemingly allergic to actually saying it), there doesn’t seem to be support for a Bona wagon. Also since a lot of people are discussing Damo, we’ll probably get some info from flipping them.

##vote Damo

I’ve been thinking a lot about this and I also don’t feel good about voting for either maniac or Bona. I think flipping them still gives good info but I doubt either are scum. My biggest reason to townread Bona is that he didn’t vote with any of the scum D1 and D2 and that seems like too obvious. I feel like that much distancing is too strong of a signal and the scum were probably too smart for that. That argument only applies to maniac for D1 so I guess I’d feel better about that vote.

I think my vote is still on HR and I think we should make sure we do that in the next one or two DKs but I’ll join the ##vote maniac wagon for today.

I’m very hesitant about voting in general. On D1, I voted ND for behavioral reason and I wasn’t sure they were scum. On D2, I wasn’t going to vote for brain because I was pretty sure they were town. I think I had listed HB as a scum read but I don’t remember feeling strongly about it. I scumread damo was a lot time so it’s not surprisingly I was fine jumping on the D5 train. I didn’t feel great about maniac but they were acting strange all game.

[aarodactyl]

@ghug you asked me why I thought Balki was a bad kill. The reason is that town was going to have to resolve that eventually by killing either him or HR. And until then, we wouldn’t fully trust either of them.