M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Fluminator]

I honestly don't remember anything about therul.

I definitely have a weakness for dumbscum (hi Tomato), but Bona isn't really dumb in the traditional sense. Townreading him because I can't imagine him being cocky enough to sit on the thread and +1 shit all day is that weakness. Townreading him for loudly proclaiming that scum orchestrated a daykill by all voting together or that scum is going to nightkill an inactive player is different.

I really don't get the impression bona is dumbish
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I understand the reason that there is almost never organization going on in the scum thread, and new players hypothesizing stuff like that shows how little they know of forum scum teams. (ie more likely to be town)
Normally that would be a compelling reason to townread a new player, but I'm assuming yoyo was useless as coordinator and not doing anything, so he might be assuming normal coordinators would?

I have considered that point, and I think it's a reasonable one, but it doesn't explain why he'd think all the scum would be voting together D2 to get someone killed, or why he expected an inactive player to be NKed. We know the scum orchestrated a lot of distancing and bussing early on, so I don't think that's how new scum would be trying to scumhunt.

I see a clear motive in that he just wanted shade thrown on brainbomb voters.
What's weird about inactives getting nightkilled? That does happen occasionally. (Heck both Rdr and Neph were quite a bit less active)

I don't see compelling reasons to townread him. I will grant that I don't have much compelling reasons to scumread him outside of POE at this point though.

[Fluminator]

I do not think there is any chance he was trying to fake a town slip by saying Jamie was a goon, and that is the only way he would say that as scum.

It's really easy to blatantly townslip like that imo

The thing that makes me buy it is how unprepared he was to answer when he was questioned on it.

This is the most compelling argument to town-bona. I'll have to rest on it.

[Fluminator]

I am compelled to go back to work for a bit

[Hellenic Riot]

Ghug inspired me to go back over Bona and I'm glad he did because he has jumped up to a top townread, alongside ghug himself & Aarodactyl. I keep flipping between Bozo being obvtown and Bozo being obvscum with zero middle ground whatsoever though

[damo666]

Lol, I forgot I was voting Durga day 4. I don't think wagon analysis can be used for days 3 and 4.

No of course it can't. It just makes looks like more work lol.

Why does it make Chaqa unlikely scum but not Flum, then?

Why pick Chocker over Bozzo or Ballki?
Yeah Floom is unlikely, already said that in a previous post discussing D1 voting.

[aarodactyl]

Ghug inspired me to go back over Bona and I'm glad he did because he has jumped up to a top townread, alongside ghug himself & Aarodactyl. I keep flipping between Bozo being obvtown and Bozo being obvscum with zero middle ground whatsoever though

I'm still doing the reread I promised you. I decided to do the whole game, so it's taking longer though. I'm on N2 right now. Unfortunately, bona is looking new and not scum. the "unfortunately" is because I'm very low on scumreads.

[ghug]

No of course it can't. It just makes looks like more work lol.

Why does it make Chaqa unlikely scum but not Flum, then?

Why pick Chocker over Bozzo or Ballki?
Yeah Floom is unlikely, already said that in a previous post discussing D1 voting.

He was closer to Flum in the alphabetical list, so I noticed him first.

[bozotheclown]

I don’t really understand this. Assuming Durga did track the smuggler: if the smuggler lies they get caught immediately, like bunny did. If they’re honest they might have a chance at surviving one more DK by going head-to-head with the jailer. Either way, once they flip, the person they visited on the night Durga tracked them is outed. So why is lying “better” when it has the same outcome but they die and confirm their teammate earlier? Just in the off-chance that Durga didn’t track them?

If anything, it makes sense for the smuggler to know that, if tracked, they were tracked N1 because Jamie was already outed for killing Neph N2, and they wouldn’t need to be honest about their N2 visit. So damo being smuggler and saying he’d have jailed ghug both nights could be damo protecting the third teammate that he smuggled N2.

I’ll also point out that damo mentioned reads of ghug twice before D3, once to give him a vague townread and once to include him in a list of possible scum who voted for town. So it really makes no sense at all that he’d jail ghug.

This is why I think it was a close call for the smuggler whether to give real or fake targets.

The idea of giving the real target for D1 and a fake target for D2 would have been a good option. Durga never said she caught Jamie D2, but the scum could likely deduce that since teacon probably performed the NK D1. However, I think if damo and ghug are the remaining scum, damo likely did target ghug both days.

Where is this assumption coming from that teacon preformed the N1 kill?

teacon was a goon and was the second largest wagon D1, he would be the logical choice in my opinion.

[bozotheclown]

Seven?

I think I’m looking for two scum in a pool of 11. So, you’re asking me to solve the game.

I believe I’ll have some time to read tomorrow, so expect more clear thoughts then.

Right now? I think ghug and Flum are town. Kgray likely town. Damo likely town.

HR is town of he’s Priest. Scum if he’s not.

New guys I just haven’t focused on at all.

Bozo — not sure. Maniac...? I guess probably town.

Hmmmm so maybe Chaqa is scum. (Checks Chaqa’s Day 1 vote). Damn.

Maybe aarodactyl is scum. Has he done anything townie?

Why is damo likely town?

I found the math thing, and the stubbornness about the math thing to be towny. I found his town read of HB without much attempt to make it look well supported to be towny. I found his failure to vote for brain Day 2 to save his town-read HB to be towny.

Very generally: I don’t see Damo making an effort to please anyone or to try to demonstrate consistency.

That is what damo goes for as scum, which is why he is hard to read.

[bozotheclown]

I may miss EOD, please don't let ghug talk anyone out of voting for damo, since ghug was voting for damo until I pointed out why there is a good chance damo is the smuggler.

[Maniac]

##vote celaph

What do you find scummy about celaph?

I'm aware that this only makes sense when you know my alignment, but his D1 vote on me strikes me as a newbie not knowing whether to bus teacon or defend him by taking part in the mis-killing of ND. His vote for me seem to be a veneer of engagement without actually knowing what he was supposed to do.

Then his read list for scum was damo, Chaqa, Yoyo, balki, bona, Ma​niac. Obviously yoyo was scum. Was he right or was he listing him to gain town cred when he flipped? The others in his list seem daykillable. Is he trying to cover all bases and jump on a miskill?

I'm also interested in how a counter wagon plays out.

[ghug]

I may miss EOD, please don't let ghug talk anyone out of voting for damo, since ghug was voting for damo until I pointed out why there is a good chance damo is the smuggler.

Enjoy your candy canes.

[Maniac]

Hey it's page 420

You know what that means.

##Vote damo

I was thinking, and there's only two scum left, so at least half of his wagon must be town, so... :shrug:

Poor maths here. Everyone with two votes on them must have a least half of them as town votes. (Unless someone votes for themselves).

[Chaqa]

Hey it's page 420

You know what that means.

##Vote damo

I was thinking, and there's only two scum left, so at least half of his wagon must be town, so... :shrug:

Poor maths here. Everyone with two votes on them must have a least half of them as town votes. (Unless someone votes for themselves).

I'm pretty fine with either of the main wagons (damo, celaph, kgray). Preference is probably in the order I just lifted.

I would also vote Bozo, which is why I'm unsure about voting *with* all three of them...

[Chaqa]

Like, either Damo is scum and the wagon is all town, or there's two scum on his wagon. That's my take.

[ghug]

Like, either Damo is scum and the wagon is all town, or there's two scum on his wagon. That's my take.

Do you still think that if it's town v town?

[damo666]

Of the 7 players that leaves both Bona and Flum are in the too wierd to be scum category.

This leaves the following 5 in order of my scumreading (gaps indicate strength)

Kgray

Maniac
Celaph


Aaro




Ghug

So you're voting your top town read??? While I don't exactly encourage it, at least a self pres vote on me would make sense.

Try reading again.

[kgray]

I do not think there is any chance he was trying to fake a town slip by saying Jamie was a goon, and that is the only way he would say that as scum.

It's really easy to blatantly townslip like that imo

The thing that makes me buy it is how unprepared he was to answer when he was questioned on it.

I'm still conflicted about this. I don't think he was being honest about using the term "goon" to refer to a general bad guy and not a non-PR scum role. That explanation really feels like he thought he was caught knowing too much and panicked.

And, one thing that I think is odd about bona is his focus on people's reads of him. I think it feels more like a paranoia about being caught than a paranoia that he's being manipulated, which was mostly what I felt in my first game.

[ghug]

It's really easy to blatantly townslip like that imo

The thing that makes me buy it is how unprepared he was to answer when he was questioned on it.

I'm still conflicted about this. I don't think he was being honest about using the term "goon" to refer to a general bad guy and not a non-PR scum role. That explanation really feels like he thought he was caught knowing too much and panicked.

And, one thing that I think is odd about bona is his focus on people's reads of him. I think it feels more like a paranoia about being caught than a paranoia that he's being manipulated, which was mostly what I felt in my first game.

Why would he use "goon" that way if he knew too much in the first place, though? If he's scum, I can't see him not saying that intentionally to fake a townslip, and if he was faking a townslip, he would have had an answer ready.

[kgray]

##vote celaph

What do you find scummy about celaph?

I'm aware that this only makes sense when you know my alignment, but his D1 vote on me strikes me as a newbie not knowing whether to bus teacon or defend him by taking part in the mis-killing of ND. His vote for me seem to be a veneer of engagement without actually knowing what he was supposed to do.

Then his read list for scum was damo, Chaqa, Yoyo, balki, bona, Ma​niac. Obviously yoyo was scum. Was he right or was he listing him to gain town cred when he flipped? The others in his list seem daykillable. Is he trying to cover all bases and jump on a miskill?

I'm also interested in how a counter wagon plays out.

When celaph voted for you, the wagons were very spread out. ND, Jamie, teacon, Neph, emc, ghug, bozo and Durga all had 2 votes. I don't think celaph was picking between you and teacon at all. If anybody who voted you was avoiding the choice of either busing teacon or killing town!ND, it was damo.