M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Fluminator]

I do want to say scum usually don't buddy people by outright cozying up to them and doing everything they say. Scum analyze what reads people are having and thinking, and then saying that themself pretending it was independent thought.

(I don't know why I'm saying this as it's a tactic I usually use as scum. I guess I have to change it now next scum game)

But this is why Balki saying he's townreading almost everyone feels a little weak after ghug made a point of saying it a couple times.

[kgray]

My current thinking about kgray:

- she’s been asking towny questions and appearing to be solving all game.
- she’d likely do that as either alignment.
- it was weird that she voted for ND instead of teacon there at the end.

Part of this is process of elimination too, I suppose. I’m not feeling great about any vote right now.

Presently, I’m ##vote kgray

I will ISO her before EOD to put that to the test more.

For those townreading kgray — I know she’s acting generally solvey. What has she done that is alignment indicative?

Sorry what’s in your POE that makes asking towny questions and being solvey something that gets me into your scumpool?

- I’m saying that your general solviness is likely NAI because you’re a good player. (Wouldn’t you agree with this?)
- My POE is just that I’m having trouble figuring out who is scum. I am finding a reason to town read almost everyone.

I would have agreed I’m a good scum player before last game, sure. I feel like my ego was checked a bit in that game though

[Chaqa]

I meant to quote some post there. IDK which one, I'm tired.

My biggest hesitation to vote damo right now is who is on his wagon.

I would prefer if some group of Flum, Tom, HR, Balki, and Maniac could find a consensus choice or two for us to wagon on.

[kgray]

Uh oh kgray, now you have to admit you're scum or that you're bad at scum.

tbh if I were scum this game I’d take Vecna’s over the top endorsement as a personal win even if we lost.

[Chaqa]

I still don't know how you guys remember so many past games and remember details of them so well.

I do think Damo is playing subpar. I was scum with him last game and I'm not getting the exact same vibes, but I'm not necessarily feeling town vibes either. He's always been one of the harder players for me to read, so I say we should probably DK him at some point to be safe.

M5whichever is the one where you got killed for pretending to go on a date.

That one really had me worked up because I did actually have a date and ya'll were being ridiculous.

[ghug]

I still don't know how you guys remember so many past games and remember details of them so well.

I do think Damo is playing subpar. I was scum with him last game and I'm not getting the exact same vibes, but I'm not necessarily feeling town vibes either. He's always been one of the harder players for me to read, so I say we should probably DK him at some point to be safe.

M5whichever is the one where you got killed for pretending to go on a date.

That one really had me worked up because I did actually have a date and ya'll were being ridiculous.

Hope you wore a mask.

[Fluminator]

Sorry what’s in your POE that makes asking towny questions and being solvey something that gets me into your scumpool?

- I’m saying that your general solviness is likely NAI because you’re a good player. (Wouldn’t you agree with this?)
- My POE is just that I’m having trouble figuring out who is scum. I am finding a reason to town read almost everyone.

I would have agreed I’m a good scum player before last game, sure. I feel like my ego was checked a bit in that game though

Why you won! lol
I feel like you're just so obvious as townie that it's very hard to replicate as scum.

Maybe you should start doing blatantly anti-town things in preparation for future scum games like at least one person has done this game *cough cough*

[ghug]

M5whichever is the one where you got killed for pretending to go on a date.

That one really had me worked up because I did actually have a date and ya'll were being ridiculous.

Hope you wore a mask.

Unrelatedly, I hope you took precautions against the coronavirus.

[kgray]

I do want to say scum usually don't buddy people by outright cozying up to them and doing everything they say. Scum analyze what reads people are having and thinking, and then saying that themself pretending it was independent thought.

(I don't know why I'm saying this as it's a tactic I usually use as scum. I guess I have to change it now next scum game)

But this is why Balki saying he's townreading almost everyone feels a little weak after ghug made a point of saying it a couple times.

I think Balki repeating what ghug says just makes ghug redundant.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Sorry what’s in your POE that makes asking towny questions and being solvey something that gets me into your scumpool?

- I’m saying that your general solviness is likely NAI because you’re a good player. (Wouldn’t you agree with this?)
- My POE is just that I’m having trouble figuring out who is scum. I am finding a reason to town read almost everyone.

I would have agreed I’m a good scum player before last game, sure. I feel like my ego was checked a bit in that game though

I don’t know what happened last game. And I’ve never actually seen you play scum. I’m basically just assuming that you’re able to give off the same town vibes when you’re scum.

Basically, I’m having a hard time sorting anyone based on vibes or solviness, and so I’m feeling like I should focus on vote analysis.

[Chaqa]

That one really had me worked up because I did actually have a date and ya'll were being ridiculous.

Hope you wore a mask.

Unrelatedly, I hope you took precautions against the coronavirus.

Toxic.

[Chaqa]

Can we bring back #fuckGhug?

If we don’t, no one will

[Fluminator]

As i lie in bed waiting for sleep to take me, I've decided that basically everyone active tonight staying up late trying to solve the game is pretty solid town. It really felt like townies trying to solve a case and no one posturing.

This means
Ghug
Kgray
Chaqa
Aaro
Cephas
are all reasonably solid townreads.

My list of people I'll consider are:
Balki waa not quite there. Sorry Balki
Maniac
Bona
Bozo: (but he'd probably be my last choice in this group)
Damo

[celaph]

As i lie in bed waiting for sleep to take me, I've decided that basically everyone active tonight staying up late trying to solve the game is pretty solid town. It really felt like townies trying to solve a case and no one posturing.

This means
Ghug
Kgray
Chaqa
Aaro
Cephas
are all reasonably solid townreads.

My list of people I'll consider are:
Balki waa not quite there. Sorry Balki
Maniac
Bona
Bozo: (but he'd probably be my last choice in this group)
Damo

I'm rather curious how my name has become cephas in two of your recent messages.

[celaph]

I'll rephrase:

I get what you're saying, but I feel strongly that it is wrong.

Sure, fair enough. Why have you refused to allow towntells from celaph and aaro influence your reads of them, despite agreeing with (or pointing out in the first place) that those things are towny?

They have. There's a reason I'm not voting for aaro right now. The single towntell from celaph was nice, but it was lonely, and it came on the back of him talking about how town go against the grain for a while.

I told Flum that I townread everyone, and that's kinda the problem right now. I've gotta vote for the people I townread least.

If you think I'm most likely to be scum (by virtue of being one you town read the least), why are you waiting until bona voted for casting a vote yourself? Did you find anything in Bona's new arguments to be persuasive?

[damo666]

The chances of an arbitrary group of 4 survivors of day 1 all voting for a townsperson on both days 1 and 2 assuming random voting is roughly 1 in 9 (as previously shown). However scum vote with info so the chances of such a group being ALL TOWN is LESS THAN 1 in 9.

Now it just so happens that there is a group of 4 who voted town both days: this group is

ghug aaro kgray Maniac

I will be very surprised if there is not at least one scum in those four.

If I am miskilled today (you shouldn't) please consider this post.

I was right last time (Jamie was scum).

I was also right about HB and brain but that's different.

Isn't it also eminently plausible that you and celaph voted town D1 & D2, and that the only reason it isn't possible Bona did too is because Bona unvoted d2...

Yes. The difference is the named 4 are KNOWN to have voted town both days.

FWIW I'll be disappointed if I voted town both days (kgray and Maniac both town?)

[damo666]

Am I missing where that become known fact

Damo is the only person who claimed to visit live players both nights, and both of them were me. That's why bozo's on his little crusade.

I didn't claim to visit anyone.

I simply answered the hypothetical question "Who would you have jailed nights 1 and 2 if you were jailer."

Worcej was the jailer.

I jailed nobody.

For that matter I smuggled nobody either, I am not the smuggler.

[damo666]

This might be a time where damo's gimmick of listing all possible scumteams and eliminating certain pairings would be useful. Why aren't you doing that this game damo

It's still a bit big. If I have time I'll give it a whirl. Only pairs left makes it doable.

[damo666]

Much as I love damo's gimmicks, I'm not sure a list of all 55 possible scumteams is gonna be of great use right now

45

Tom you me

[damo666]

Can't narrow it down from 45.