M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Chaqa]

Day 1 wagon spread is interesting.

Jamiet voted for ND.
teacon voed for Jamiet.
Yoyo voted for Bozo.
Bunny voted for teacon.

Two remaining scum... I feel like at least one has to be on ND, and another is on ND or is on a third wagon.

Seems to me scum was indifferent to Day 2 result given Bunny and Yoyo were both off main wagons.

Damo, Bona fit for the "indifferent day 2" archetype.

Possible scum D1 ND voters: ghug, aero, kgray
Possible scum D1 other (non-ND/non-teacon) wagon voters: celaph, damo, bozo, Bona

Bozo, Damo, Bona, Kgray, Ghug, Celaph, Aero as a group to work with.

Lmfao this pool is literally everyone you're not townreading for voting teacon or being Maniac.

https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/img/bvlCFK ... cepalm.jpg

Oof

[Fluminator]

last person was talking about aaro.

I guess I forgot to talk about Chaqa. oh well

[ghug]

I’ll rephrase:

This point is somewhat negated by the fact that it’s his first game, so this could just be how he thinks as scum.

I'll rephrase:

I get what you're saying, but I feel strongly that it is wrong.

Sure, fair enough. Why have you refused to allow towntells from celaph and aaro influence your reads of them, despite agreeing with (or pointing out in the first place) that those things are towny?

They have. There's a reason I'm not voting for aaro right now. The single towntell from celaph was nice, but it was lonely, and it came on the back of him talking about how town go against the grain for a while.

I told Flum that I townread everyone, and that's kinda the problem right now. I've gotta vote for the people I townread least.

[Chaqa]

last person was talking about aaro.

I guess I forgot to talk about Chaqa. oh well

It's OK, I'm used to being forgotten.

Do you really think that Maniac could be scum? If Teacon AND Maniac were scum, wouldn't the ND wagon have been stronger on Day 1?

[Fluminator]

I'll rephrase:

I get what you're saying, but I feel strongly that it is wrong.

Sure, fair enough. Why have you refused to allow towntells from celaph and aaro influence your reads of them, despite agreeing with (or pointing out in the first place) that those things are towny?

They have. There's a reason I'm not voting for aaro right now. The single towntell from celaph was nice, but it was lonely, and it came on the back of him talking about how town go against the grain for a while.

I told Flum that I townread everyone, and that's kinda the problem right now. I've gotta vote for the people I townread least.

Can you give an overview of why there is reason to townread Maniac, Balki, and Bozo? I remember you answered bozo a long time ago, but I totally forget the reason and don't feel like searching lol.

[Hellenic Riot]

last person was talking about aaro.

I guess I forgot to talk about Chaqa. oh well

It's OK, I'm used to being forgotten.

Do you really think that Maniac could be scum? If Teacon AND Maniac were scum, wouldn't the ND wagon have been stronger on Day 1?

Did it need to be stronger? I think D1 looks an awful lot like the scum were just happy for one of their number to die D1

[kgray]

I'll rephrase:

I get what you're saying, but I feel strongly that it is wrong.

Sure, fair enough. Why have you refused to allow towntells from celaph and aaro influence your reads of them, despite agreeing with (or pointing out in the first place) that those things are towny?

They have. There's a reason I'm not voting for aaro right now. The single towntell from celaph was nice, but it was lonely, and it came on the back of him talking about how town go against the grain for a while.

I told Flum that I townread everyone, and that's kinda the problem right now. I've gotta vote for the people I townread least.

Celaph talking about town going against the grain is a good point. But maybe I’m projecting but I found his frustration with HR dancing around his claim to be really towny and not something scum would feel or fake.

[aarodactyl]

##vote celaph choo.choo

This feels like such a poor vote that I'm wondering if it's a reaction test for how I respond under pressure.

I think this is now the second time you’ve wondered if something ghug did was a reaction test for you? Interesting.

To be fair, ghug enjoys reaction tests

[Fluminator]

last person was talking about aaro.

I guess I forgot to talk about Chaqa. oh well

It's OK, I'm used to being forgotten.

Do you really think that Maniac could be scum? If Teacon AND Maniac were scum, wouldn't the ND wagon have been stronger on Day 1?

Bunny was locked into a teacon bus either way. (I think he was away eod too)
Yoyo was useless and wouldn't influence anything.
Teacon was busy bussing Jamiet instead of his counterwagon, so his action is weird enough as is, regardless of Maniac's alignment.
Jamiet was on ND.

Out of the revealed scum, I don't think their actions change much depending on Maniac's alignment.

[ghug]

Sure, fair enough. Why have you refused to allow towntells from celaph and aaro influence your reads of them, despite agreeing with (or pointing out in the first place) that those things are towny?

They have. There's a reason I'm not voting for aaro right now. The single towntell from celaph was nice, but it was lonely, and it came on the back of him talking about how town go against the grain for a while.

I told Flum that I townread everyone, and that's kinda the problem right now. I've gotta vote for the people I townread least.

Can you give an overview of why there is reason to townread Maniac, Balki, and Bozo? I remember you answered bozo a long time ago, but I totally forget the reason and don't feel like searching lol.

Maniac - I think the Jamie interactions indicate town. The weird analysis of bozo's survey was the first evidence of oldManiac I've seen since he returned and it gave me happy fuzzy feelings.

Balki - I like Bunny voting him day 2. I also think the late teacon vote looks less bad when he preceded it by trying to start a wagon on Bunny. I also also think that what little he's posted recently has been good, and I think the inactivity is NAI.

Bozo - I think the irrational tunneling is town indicative, but mostly it's about all the scum voting for him day 1, and Jamie pushing him and Yoyo incessantly day 2.

[ghug]

This feels like such a poor vote that I'm wondering if it's a reaction test for how I respond under pressure.

I think this is now the second time you’ve wondered if something ghug did was a reaction test for you? Interesting.

To be fair, ghug enjoys reaction tests

Dude I only told you that I'm the QT...

[aarodactyl]

Why? Aside from a game-long tunnel on celaph that's never been particularly explained, I really don't see what he's actually done... At all.

He so regularly displays a deep lack of understanding of how scum would think.

His scum teammates would have contained Yoyoyozo, Jamiet99uk, BunnyGo, and teacon7.

Where do you think he'd be picking up a good understanding of scumplay?

The last display of lack of understanding happened during a night phase. Did the others? If so, it could be based on prompting by members in the QT.

[Balki Bartokomous]

My current thinking about kgray:

- she’s been asking towny questions and appearing to be solving all game.
- she’d likely do that as either alignment.
- it was weird that she voted for ND instead of teacon there at the end.

Part of this is process of elimination too, I suppose. I’m not feeling great about any vote right now.

Presently, I’m ##vote kgray

I will ISO her before EOD to put that to the test more.

For those townreading kgray — I know she’s acting generally solvey. What has she done that is alignment indicative?

[Chaqa]

last person was talking about aaro.

I guess I forgot to talk about Chaqa. oh well

It's OK, I'm used to being forgotten.

Do you really think that Maniac could be scum? If Teacon AND Maniac were scum, wouldn't the ND wagon have been stronger on Day 1?

Did it need to be stronger? I think D1 looks an awful lot like the scum were just happy for one of their number to die D1

I find it hard to believe a scumteam with teacon, bo/Jamie, Bunny, and Yoyo would not be so eager to actually lose a teammate, especially one that wasn't a newbScum.

[ghug]

He so regularly displays a deep lack of understanding of how scum would think.

His scum teammates would have contained Yoyoyozo, Jamiet99uk, BunnyGo, and teacon7.

Where do you think he'd be picking up a good understanding of scumplay?

The last display of lack of understanding happened during a night phase. Did the others? If so, it could be based on prompting by members in the QT.

Except that I'm the only one buying it. Am I his teammate?

[Hellenic Riot]

He so regularly displays a deep lack of understanding of how scum would think.

His scum teammates would have contained Yoyoyozo, Jamiet99uk, BunnyGo, and teacon7.

Where do you think he'd be picking up a good understanding of scumplay?

The last display of lack of understanding happened during a night phase. Did the others? If so, it could be based on prompting by members in the QT.

See, this example of people thinking scumteams actually coach people into making dumbtells is the sort of thing that I expect someone unaware of real scumplay to think

[aarodactyl]

His scum teammates would have contained Yoyoyozo, Jamiet99uk, BunnyGo, and teacon7.

Where do you think he'd be picking up a good understanding of scumplay?

Jamie and Bunny are solid scum players. Teacon is something. Yoyo is not something.

So solid that they both got guiltied in the first two nights in a 26 player game, failed to fish a single PR in the process, and sent the roleblocker to do the kills when they had a living goon?

Isn't the theory that they decided to RB and kill neph? If that was the case, it's it best to send jamie to do it? Also in Jamie and Bunny's defense, it was more Durga's good play than their bad player that got them out.

[ghug]

His scum teammates would have contained Yoyoyozo, Jamiet99uk, BunnyGo, and teacon7.

Where do you think he'd be picking up a good understanding of scumplay?

The last display of lack of understanding happened during a night phase. Did the others? If so, it could be based on prompting by members in the QT.

See, this example of people thinking scumteams actually coach people into making dumbtells is the sort of thing that I expect someone unaware of real scumplay to think

People who've been playing for years still think that scum coach aggressively though.

[Hellenic Riot]

Jamie and Bunny are solid scum players. Teacon is something. Yoyo is not something.

So solid that they both got guiltied in the first two nights in a 26 player game, failed to fish a single PR in the process, and sent the roleblocker to do the kills when they had a living goon?

Isn't the theory that they decided to RB and kill neph? If that was the case, it's it best to send jamie to do it? Also in Jamie and Bunny's defense, it was more Durga's good play than their bad player that got them out.

That is the theory. The explanation of why they thought RB-Killing was smart play in this setup is another matter...

[Hellenic Riot]

It's OK, I'm used to being forgotten.

Do you really think that Maniac could be scum? If Teacon AND Maniac were scum, wouldn't the ND wagon have been stronger on Day 1?

Did it need to be stronger? I think D1 looks an awful lot like the scum were just happy for one of their number to die D1

I find it hard to believe a scumteam with teacon, bo/Jamie, Bunny, and Yoyo would not be so eager to actually lose a teammate, especially one that wasn't a newbScum.

Why not? 6 scum in the game, and the most useful scum role (Jamie) was one of those that got bussed. Flipping a scum early so that other wagons look like probable town and being able to coast off that early scum death are winning strategies from very recent games.