M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Hellenic Riot]

@Bozo

Why do you think scum-ghug doesn't go along with me on Flum here?

[Tom Bombadil]

Scenarios quite a bit different.

D1 tends to be more swings. 2 hours left with several wagons at 2 votes each. Safer place to bus. Time to move if needed, less likely bussed wagon takes off.

D2 vote on Balki was only an hour left and put Balki at 4. We also know HB was town. I suspect kgray is town but could be wrong. More dangerous place to bus there. Plus, scum were already down which I think makes bussing less likely (though I understand the idea of a deep threat - I just don’t think Bunny would be the ideal choice to be a deep threat)

[kgray]

You don't think he's officially claimed priest?

I don't understand why it's so hard for him to just say it. He's just sitting there expecting people to follow his pushes when he's not being convincing at all and he's just relying on this soft claim. I hate it.

I don't expect any such thing, and made it very clear when Balki hinted that he'd do that that would not be acceptable. My claim stopped there being 2 days of nonsensical replaying of the same scenario over and over again between myself & Flum. I am not going to use it to repeatedly make the same points without him being able to respond. I've said as much as I am willing to on Flum, and so there is no stupid argument for scum to blend into. The rest of you can now look into it knowing that I'm town, and come up with your own conclusions.

You literally said "Follow thy clear, all aboard, toot toot"

[kgray]

For some reason? Didn't you read my post about damo being the smuggler? If damo is the smuggler, ghug is likely the last goon, so in that regard, my scum read of Fluminator is weakened. If damo is town or a goon, then not as much.

Yes I saw it, but it doesn't explain why you're more compelled by that than by your previous case against Flum when it is based on hypotheticals.

damo and Fluminator were my top scum reads, and with damo as smuggler making sense, I would like to see damo flip today because it could implicate ghug. Yoyoyozo flipping scum is what made the difference.

Okay. Any reason why you don't think it makes sense for Flum to be the smuggler?

[kgray]

I don't see any scum motivation for what HR was doing, he obviously was not being serious with his extreme damo town read.

I'm not saying it was scummy, I'm saying it was terrible. If it was so crucial in forming his read of Flum, why not admit that it was a reaction test and push Flum sooner?

I did exactly that during the next night phase, at which point Flum blew up at me.

I mean, you were lying so yeah. He blew up at you. That's NAI.

[bozotheclown]

Why didn't you call damo out on this when he did it?

I questioned him on it.

Can you show me where? I didn't find it.

There are 20 apples, four of which are labelled 1, 2, 3 and 4 respectively the other 16 unmarked. There are also 6 oranges.

Process A1

Apple 1 is randomly paired with any of the other 19 fruit. Apples 2, 3 and 4 are similarly paired with any of the other 19 fruit.

Process B1

Four fruits are selected at random.

Two unmarked apples and one orange is removed.

Process A2

Apple 1 is randomly paired with any of the other 16 fruit. Apples 2, 3 and 4 are similarly paired.

Process B2

Four fruits are selected at random.

What is the probability both processes A1 and A2 produce 4 pairs of apples?

What is the probability both processes B1 and B2 both produce 4 apples?

This is not equivalent to what you suggested.

kgray, ghug, durga, Jamie and HB have all voted to kill BOTH town ND and town brain. HB's brain vote is excusable due to self-preservation but as for the other four....they can't all be town can they?

Tomorrow I think we should contain our votes to these 4 plus Maniac.

I do not believe you really think this is a good idea.

[Hellenic Riot]

I don't understand why it's so hard for him to just say it. He's just sitting there expecting people to follow his pushes when he's not being convincing at all and he's just relying on this soft claim. I hate it.

I don't expect any such thing, and made it very clear when Balki hinted that he'd do that that would not be acceptable. My claim stopped there being 2 days of nonsensical replaying of the same scenario over and over again between myself & Flum. I am not going to use it to repeatedly make the same points without him being able to respond. I've said as much as I am willing to on Flum, and so there is no stupid argument for scum to blend into. The rest of you can now look into it knowing that I'm town, and come up with your own conclusions.

You literally said "Follow thy clear, all aboard, toot toot"

Which never actually happens in a forum mafia on this site, let alone 47 hours ahead of an EOD in a hammerless game. But it was worth it to pressure Flum.

Now, enough about me. I claimed so that we didn't repeat this shite ad infinitum and waste another day in toxic squabbling. Much though I usually love talking about myself, it isn't going to help us in the slightest - And there's much more useful stuff to talk about

[kgray]

I questioned him on it.

Can you show me where? I didn't find it.

There are 20 apples, four of which are labelled 1, 2, 3 and 4 respectively the other 16 unmarked. There are also 6 oranges.

Process A1

Apple 1 is randomly paired with any of the other 19 fruit. Apples 2, 3 and 4 are similarly paired with any of the other 19 fruit.

Process B1

Four fruits are selected at random.

Two unmarked apples and one orange is removed.

Process A2

Apple 1 is randomly paired with any of the other 16 fruit. Apples 2, 3 and 4 are similarly paired.

Process B2

Four fruits are selected at random.

What is the probability both processes A1 and A2 produce 4 pairs of apples?

What is the probability both processes B1 and B2 both produce 4 apples?

This is not equivalent to what you suggested.

kgray, ghug, durga, Jamie and HB have all voted to kill BOTH town ND and town brain. HB's brain vote is excusable due to self-preservation but as for the other four....they can't all be town can they?

Tomorrow I think we should contain our votes to these 4 plus Maniac.

I do not believe you really think this is a good idea.

It doesn't seem like you scumread him for it though? But okay, thanks.

[Hellenic Riot]

Scenarios quite a bit different.

D1 tends to be more swings. 2 hours left with several wagons at 2 votes each. Safer place to bus. Time to move if needed, less likely bussed wagon takes off.

D2 vote on Balki was only an hour left and put Balki at 4. We also know HB was town. I suspect kgray is town but could be wrong. More dangerous place to bus there. Plus, scum were already down which I think makes bussing less likely (though I understand the idea of a deep threat - I just don’t think Bunny would be the ideal choice to be a deep threat)

This is possibly true, but we already know this scumteam absolutely loves bussing. So far we have:

Bunny voting Jamie D1
Bunny voting teacon D1
teacon voting Jamie D1
Jamie voting Yoyo D1

Jamie pushing a Yoyo wagon hard D2

[Hellenic Riot]

So further bussing would seem perfectly in-tune with the way the scum were playing the early game here

[Hellenic Riot]

I suppose the question is whether they'd become more reticent to bus after teacon got shot, but the way Jamie was going after Yoyo doesn't really suggest that to be the case...

[kgray]

I'm actually really annoyed with how lots of people (HR cough cough) ignored my scumread of damo ealier when he was doing super shady scummy things like sitting on the sidelines at a TvT EoD and watching Hamilton almost die, and now that he's doing his more normal town!damo stuff like declaring townclears and changing his reads without reasons people are saying "oh, he's just imitating his town game."

##vote damo because of the earlier stuff, not because of whatever you all are scumreading him for.

[Hellenic Riot]

@Bozo

What do you think about the way ghug called out Jamie at the start of D3, prior to the guilty claims?

[kgray]

I suppose the question is whether they'd become more reticent to bus after teacon got shot, but the way Jamie was going after Yoyo doesn't really suggest that to be the case...

Jamie did lay off of yoyo and Flum called him out on it. It's what started the conversation that caused Durga to track Jamie.

[Hellenic Riot]

@Bozo

What do you think about the way ghug called out Jamie at the start of D3, prior to the guilty claims?

NB: Whilst also voting Yoyo at the same time**

[ghug]

@Bozo

What do you think about the way ghug called out Jamie at the start of D3, prior to the guilty claims?

If we're listing reasons I'm amazing, can we reexamine my pressuring Bunny to claim his jails with the added knowledge that there wasn't a real communicator?

[kgray]

Ahhh that's refreshing. "Wine In Front Of Me" gets a mention so early. My first 30 games were full of it and it was barely mentioned last game.

I mentioned it 11 times last game...

Did you BunnyGo? To be honest I ignore most of what you say. I don't find you informative or funny.

This seems like an aggressive reaction to me. Is this normal for Maniac?

[ghug]

Also Flum advocating for everyone to vote Yoyo at the beginning of day 3 so he'd come back and freak out looks pretty good now.

[kgray]

Also Flum advocating for everyone to vote Yoyo at the beginning of day 3 so he'd come back and freak out looks pretty good now.

Yeah I already said this.

[ghug]

Also Flum advocating for everyone to vote Yoyo at the beginning of day 3 so he'd come back and freak out looks pretty good now.

Yeah I already said this.

Years of drug abuse mean my mind was quicker when I was a teenager.