M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[kgray]

I suppose HR should probably just be green at this point.

Nah. He can be green if he officially claims priest and we don't get a CC.

[kgray]

Other reasons to suspect damo #3 (damo's changing read of me):

I didn't like damo voting for me D2, because I would expect him to consider that teacon voted for Jamie for the same reason I did (teacon's vote post quoted my vote post). damo's read of me then changed without explanation, as Vecna pointed out:

Well never mind Vecna, it seems damo is scumreading bozo more after bozo's activity. Which makes no sense to me, but I'm hardly surprised by that lol

He actually managed to find a reason to put bozo as "obvtown" after wanting to daykill him D2 and before this post where he went down a nudge again.

He refused to claim why bozo was suddenly obvtown as well.

This is a normal town!damo thing to do.

[kgray]

Other reasons to suspect damo #4 (what HR just said):

@bozo has your scumread of Flum weakened or are you just more interested in damo now for some reason?

@HR can you explain why you thought damo got scummier when he started doing things that, imo, town!damo is more likely to do?

I mean, clearly we just read him in different ways? I felt the statistics thing was route one scumplay of "copy what I'd do as town" rather than having any actual point to it, so after that I started picking him apart a bit more

Why didn't you call damo out on this when he did it?

[kgray]

Other reasons to suspect damo #5:

Average with 12 participating:

Durga 1.92
Tom 3.00
emc 3.75
kgray 6.25
aarodactyl 6.54
ghug 9.38
Vecna 9.38
Chaqa 9.83
HR 10.00
celaph 10.29
bozo 10.38
Fluminator 10.50
Yoyoyozo 10.71
Balki 12.00
Maniac 12.92
damo 13.04
Bonatogether 13.21
Jamie 18.00

This is actually a reason to townread damo imo.

[ghug]

I suppose HR should probably just be green at this point.

Nah. He can be green if he officially claims priest and we don't get a CC.

You don't think he's officially claimed priest?

[bozotheclown]

I mean the big problem with Bozo's argument is that if Bunny - the blackmailer - lied about who he visited, why on earth would you assume that the smuggler told the truth?

BunnyGo answered first and Durga did not call him out immediately, maybe damo thought that meant he was likely the one tracked. Or, damo may have felt it was best to avoid being caught independent of what BunnyGo did.

[damo666]

Other reasons to suspect damo #5:

Average with 12 participating:

Durga 1.92
Tom 3.00
emc 3.75
kgray 6.25
aarodactyl 6.54
ghug 9.38
Vecna 9.38
Chaqa 9.83
HR 10.00
celaph 10.29
bozo 10.38
Fluminator 10.50
Yoyoyozo 10.71
Balki 12.00
Maniac 12.92
damo 13.04
Bonatogether 13.21
Jamie 18.00

If this is a reason to suspect damo, then it is also a reason to not suspect me.

The list cannot reasonably be used as a tool to suspect anyone. ScumYoyo was on 10.71, there are lot of people not too far from that figure. It's meaningless.

In fact the remaining 2 scum could well be kgray and aaro. That's how useless the list is.

I'm a little surprised bozo puts any faith in it.

[Hellenic Riot]

Other reasons to suspect damo #4 (what HR just said):

I mean, clearly we just read him in different ways? I felt the statistics thing was route one scumplay of "copy what I'd do as town" rather than having any actual point to it, so after that I started picking him apart a bit more

Why didn't you call damo out on this when he did it?

Why should I? He was being questioned by other people

[bozotheclown]

Other reasons to suspect damo #4 (what HR just said):

I mean, clearly we just read him in different ways? I felt the statistics thing was route one scumplay of "copy what I'd do as town" rather than having any actual point to it, so after that I started picking him apart a bit more

Why didn't you call damo out on this when he did it?

I questioned him on it.

[kgray]

I suppose HR should probably just be green at this point.

Nah. He can be green if he officially claims priest and we don't get a CC.

You don't think he's officially claimed priest?

I don't understand why it's so hard for him to just say it. He's just sitting there expecting people to follow his pushes when he's not being convincing at all and he's just relying on this soft claim. I hate it.

[kgray]

Other reasons to suspect damo #4 (what HR just said):

Why didn't you call damo out on this when he did it?

I questioned him on it.

Can you show me where? I didn't find it.

[Tom Bombadil]

Not related to current conversation, but I think Bunny’s vote of him D2makes it unlikely Balki is scum.

[bozotheclown]

Just read Flum's ISO and I don't think he's scum. It's a lot of little things, and I just get where he's coming from on a lot of his reads/questions. Also he's been pushing scum wagons pretty hard at times when I don't think it makes sense for scum to bus. He called out Jamie for "forgetting" about yoyo N2, which doesn't seem like something their teammate would do. And mostly, I don't think he puts that much pressure on yoyo when Jamie and Bunny were just caught by Durga. If anyone but yoyo flipped coordinator, maybe, but yoyo being coordinator makes me think there wasn't a plan to make yoyo's reaction to "bozo's copscan" seem towny.

And the main arguments that have been brought against him seem to be:

(1) Flum's responses to Neph's questioning N2. I don't think changing your read of people who are wagons at EoD is scummy and I think what Flum did was a lot less scummy than what damo did.

(2) HR's hyperfixation on Flum "sheeping" HR's damo townread. I don't think anything about what Flum did then was scummy. HR looks *way* worse throughout that interaction and still won't even explain why scum!Flum does any of that. HR doesn't even have his facts right. He says that Flum sheeped him *so much* that he was considering townreading Hamilton because damo did, and that's just objectively not true.

I don't see any scum motivation for what HR was doing, he obviously was not being serious with his extreme damo town read.

[ghug]

Nah. He can be green if he officially claims priest and we don't get a CC.

You don't think he's officially claimed priest?

I don't understand why it's so hard for him to just say it. He's just sitting there expecting people to follow his pushes when he's not being convincing at all and he's just relying on this soft claim. I hate it.

He's said he's the priest and he's said he's clear. I don't think there's a meaningful distinction.

We shouldn't follow him anyway, and he's being arrogant to an extreme fault, but I think it's safe to say it's a real claim.

[Hellenic Riot]

Nah. He can be green if he officially claims priest and we don't get a CC.

You don't think he's officially claimed priest?

I don't understand why it's so hard for him to just say it. He's just sitting there expecting people to follow his pushes when he's not being convincing at all and he's just relying on this soft claim. I hate it.

I don't expect any such thing, and made it very clear when Balki hinted that he'd do that that would not be acceptable. My claim stopped there being 2 days of nonsensical replaying of the same scenario over and over again between myself & Flum. I am not going to use it to repeatedly make the same points without him being able to respond. I've said as much as I am willing to on Flum, and so there is no stupid argument for scum to blend into. The rest of you can now look into it knowing that I'm town, and come up with your own conclusions.

[ghug]

Not related to current conversation, but I think Bunny’s vote of him D2makes it unlikely Balki is scum.

I like when Tom agrees with me.

[Hellenic Riot]

Not related to current conversation, but I think Bunny’s vote of him D2makes it unlikely Balki is scum.

Given Bunny's vote for teacon D1, why do you think this?

[bozotheclown]

@bozo has your scumread of Flum weakened or are you just more interested in damo now for some reason?

@HR can you explain why you thought damo got scummier when he started doing things that, imo, town!damo is more likely to do?

For some reason? Didn't you read my post about damo being the smuggler? If damo is the smuggler, ghug is likely the last goon, so in that regard, my scum read of Fluminator is weakened. If damo is town or a goon, then not as much.

Yes I saw it, but it doesn't explain why you're more compelled by that than by your previous case against Flum when it is based on hypotheticals.

damo and Fluminator were my top scum reads, and with damo as smuggler making sense, I would like to see damo flip today because it could implicate ghug. Yoyoyozo flipping scum is what made the difference.

[kgray]

Just read Flum's ISO and I don't think he's scum. It's a lot of little things, and I just get where he's coming from on a lot of his reads/questions. Also he's been pushing scum wagons pretty hard at times when I don't think it makes sense for scum to bus. He called out Jamie for "forgetting" about yoyo N2, which doesn't seem like something their teammate would do. And mostly, I don't think he puts that much pressure on yoyo when Jamie and Bunny were just caught by Durga. If anyone but yoyo flipped coordinator, maybe, but yoyo being coordinator makes me think there wasn't a plan to make yoyo's reaction to "bozo's copscan" seem towny.

And the main arguments that have been brought against him seem to be:

(1) Flum's responses to Neph's questioning N2. I don't think changing your read of people who are wagons at EoD is scummy and I think what Flum did was a lot less scummy than what damo did.

(2) HR's hyperfixation on Flum "sheeping" HR's damo townread. I don't think anything about what Flum did then was scummy. HR looks *way* worse throughout that interaction and still won't even explain why scum!Flum does any of that. HR doesn't even have his facts right. He says that Flum sheeped him *so much* that he was considering townreading Hamilton because damo did, and that's just objectively not true.

I don't see any scum motivation for what HR was doing, he obviously was not being serious with his extreme damo town read.

I'm not saying it was scummy, I'm saying it was terrible. If it was so crucial in forming his read of Flum, why not admit that it was a reaction test and push Flum sooner?

[Hellenic Riot]

Just read Flum's ISO and I don't think he's scum. It's a lot of little things, and I just get where he's coming from on a lot of his reads/questions. Also he's been pushing scum wagons pretty hard at times when I don't think it makes sense for scum to bus. He called out Jamie for "forgetting" about yoyo N2, which doesn't seem like something their teammate would do. And mostly, I don't think he puts that much pressure on yoyo when Jamie and Bunny were just caught by Durga. If anyone but yoyo flipped coordinator, maybe, but yoyo being coordinator makes me think there wasn't a plan to make yoyo's reaction to "bozo's copscan" seem towny.

And the main arguments that have been brought against him seem to be:

(1) Flum's responses to Neph's questioning N2. I don't think changing your read of people who are wagons at EoD is scummy and I think what Flum did was a lot less scummy than what damo did.

(2) HR's hyperfixation on Flum "sheeping" HR's damo townread. I don't think anything about what Flum did then was scummy. HR looks *way* worse throughout that interaction and still won't even explain why scum!Flum does any of that. HR doesn't even have his facts right. He says that Flum sheeped him *so much* that he was considering townreading Hamilton because damo did, and that's just objectively not true.

I don't see any scum motivation for what HR was doing, he obviously was not being serious with his extreme damo town read.

I'm not saying it was scummy, I'm saying it was terrible. If it was so crucial in forming his read of Flum, why not admit that it was a reaction test and push Flum sooner?

I did exactly that during the next night phase, at which point Flum blew up at me.