M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[kgray]

Why?

Because I don't think new scum busses or even pressures their last teammate when they're still 4 miskills away from winning.

They do if their teammate tells them to.

Yeah, maybe. I guess if HR is scum then he's probably going to be CC'd and that's the end of him regardless.

But does scum!HR sacrifice himself for the last PR? That doesn't seem right to me. Maybe he is town.

[Chaqa]

It is

You saw I +1’d somerhjng didn’t you? Haha

I’m more or less caught up. I haven’t thought about the game in a few days, but I still don’t want to vote for Flum, Balki, Tom, or Maniac

So that’s where I’m at

Why don’t you want to vote for tom? Also who has been thinking about that?

Tom voted teacon D1. As did the otehrs except maniac

[Hellenic Riot]

Because I don't think new scum busses or even pressures their last teammate when they're still 4 miskills away from winning.

They do if their teammate tells them to.

Yeah, maybe. I guess if HR is scum then he's probably going to be CC'd and that's the end of him regardless.

But does scum!HR sacrifice himself for the last PR? That doesn't seem right to me. Maybe he is town.

Selflessness is my middle name

[ghug]

Because I don't think new scum busses or even pressures their last teammate when they're still 4 miskills away from winning.

They do if their teammate tells them to.

Yeah, maybe. I guess if HR is scum then he's probably going to be CC'd and that's the end of him regardless.

But does scum!HR sacrifice himself for the last PR? That doesn't seem right to me. Maybe he is town.

I think there are other outcomes that make this make sense for scum HR.

The thing that struck me is that the post was pretty uncharacteristic for celaph, so I think it's either townplay evolving rapidly or a bus.

[Chaqa]

It is

You saw I +1’d somerhjng didn’t you? Haha

I’m more or less caught up. I haven’t thought about the game in a few days, but I still don’t want to vote for Flum, Balki, Tom, or Maniac

So that’s where I’m at

At what point will you be open to considering that someone bussed teacon?
Does the fact that Bunny bussed teacon change that answer?
Does the fact that Balki voted teacon when ND was already pretty much certain to win the vote change your opinion on him at all?
How much of the game have you read?

Hmmm. Maybe after like two mis-kills? Yoyo being modkilled makes us have more leeway.

I've read some of it. idk man,

[ghug]

You saw I +1’d somerhjng didn’t you? Haha

I’m more or less caught up. I haven’t thought about the game in a few days, but I still don’t want to vote for Flum, Balki, Tom, or Maniac

So that’s where I’m at

Why don’t you want to vote for tom? Also who has been thinking about that?

Tom voted teacon D1. As did the otehrs except maniac

So either Jamie is the Vigilante or he's mafia.

I see no reason Vig shouldn't claim here if they aren't Jamie. Vig is out of bullets AFAIK and a 1:1 on scum would be great.

Tom is vig

##Vote Jamiet

Told you guys he was scum.

[Chaqa]

Oh yeah i forgot that he was the vig lol

[ghug]

Oh yeah i forgot that he was the vig lol

I hate that I believe you

[Hellenic Riot]

Oh yeah i forgot that he was the vig lol

Is that why you didn't kill him last night?

[ghug]

Teacon, Jamie, Bunny, Chaqa, Yoyo, Maniac would be a pretty hilarious scumteam.

[Chaqa]

I mean if you guys wanted to DK me so I could be even lazier I would be down

[kgray]

They do if their teammate tells them to.

Yeah, maybe. I guess if HR is scum then he's probably going to be CC'd and that's the end of him regardless.

But does scum!HR sacrifice himself for the last PR? That doesn't seem right to me. Maybe he is town.

Selflessness is my middle name

For the record, if you're town then I agree with Flum and you played this terribly. Because the two options are (1) you're actually a PR who did a crazy scummy thing that put not only yourself but also your strongest townread in people's scum sights just to see if you could get away with it, or (2) you're fakeclaiming our last town PR and risking outing them to scum just because you're couldn't convince people that you were right about Flum otherwise.

Both of those things are so anti-town that I have a hard time believing you'd be dumb enough to do them, but I guess your ego is just that big.

[Bonatogether]

If we think his actions aren't helping us, I say we vote him.

[ghug]

If we think his actions aren't helping us, I say we vote him.

Him being HR?

[kgray]

They do if their teammate tells them to.

Yeah, maybe. I guess if HR is scum then he's probably going to be CC'd and that's the end of him regardless.

But does scum!HR sacrifice himself for the last PR? That doesn't seem right to me. Maybe he is town.

I think there are other outcomes that make this make sense for scum HR.

The thing that struck me is that the post was pretty uncharacteristic for celaph, so I think it's either townplay evolving rapidly or a bus.

What other outcomes?

And I don't know, he had a similar tone in these posts:

I rather dislike Bozo’s recent response for multiple reasons:
(1) It is entirely reactive. I see no indication that if Flum didn’t post his argument on why Bozo is scum, that Bozo would have attacked flum in anything like this manner. If he was true in his conviction I don’t see why he would wait for flum like this.
(2) His defense is clearly focused on undermining flum’s credibility rather than challenging flum’s interpretation of his earlier move or defending why he did it. Defending like this feels rather forced when done in context of point (1).
(3) It feels that the argument is full of points that either are not alignment indicative or possibly alignment indicative where bozo has spent minimal time arguing that they are alignment indicative.

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So with all that in mind. ##voteBozo

I don't think we can deduce any of the things you say we can deduce.
(1) If a person towards the bottom of Bozo's list has a high score, it means they have included 5 people also near the bottom. Those people may or may not be scum so why do you assume that a town member on the bottom who listed 5 others at the bottom has an above average ability to find scum? They found the same suspicious people everyone else has found (minus themselves).
(2) If a scum ranks someone as scum, why does that make the person they ranked town? Could they not be trying to bus?

Even granting all your erroneous assumptions, why is scum Bozo your conclusion here? Excluding Jamie, Bozo is the 7th scummiest person on his list. That's not even particularly close to the bottom. For comparison, Bozo and myself have rather similar scores on Bozo's list (I'm only 0.09 higher) and we show up rather similarly on your list. Do you scum read me similarly? If so, why aren't I mentioned?

[kgray]

If we think his actions aren't helping us, I say we vote him.

Do you think his actions aren't helping us?

[Bonatogether]

He's claimed a PR without reason, which is bad for us in any case.

[ghug]

Yeah, maybe. I guess if HR is scum then he's probably going to be CC'd and that's the end of him regardless.

But does scum!HR sacrifice himself for the last PR? That doesn't seem right to me. Maybe he is town.

I think there are other outcomes that make this make sense for scum HR.

The thing that struck me is that the post was pretty uncharacteristic for celaph, so I think it's either townplay evolving rapidly or a bus.

What other outcomes?

And I don't know, he had a similar tone in these posts:

I rather dislike Bozo’s recent response for multiple reasons:
(1) It is entirely reactive. I see no indication that if Flum didn’t post his argument on why Bozo is scum, that Bozo would have attacked flum in anything like this manner. If he was true in his conviction I don’t see why he would wait for flum like this.
(2) His defense is clearly focused on undermining flum’s credibility rather than challenging flum’s interpretation of his earlier move or defending why he did it. Defending like this feels rather forced when done in context of point (1).
(3) It feels that the argument is full of points that either are not alignment indicative or possibly alignment indicative where bozo has spent minimal time arguing that they are alignment indicative.

<snip>

So with all that in mind. ##voteBozo

I don't think we can deduce any of the things you say we can deduce.
(1) If a person towards the bottom of Bozo's list has a high score, it means they have included 5 people also near the bottom. Those people may or may not be scum so why do you assume that a town member on the bottom who listed 5 others at the bottom has an above average ability to find scum? They found the same suspicious people everyone else has found (minus themselves).
(2) If a scum ranks someone as scum, why does that make the person they ranked town? Could they not be trying to bus?

Even granting all your erroneous assumptions, why is scum Bozo your conclusion here? Excluding Jamie, Bozo is the 7th scummiest person on his list. That's not even particularly close to the bottom. For comparison, Bozo and myself have rather similar scores on Bozo's list (I'm only 0.09 higher) and we show up rather similarly on your list. Do you scum read me similarly? If so, why aren't I mentioned?

The ones where he talks his way out of a fakeclaim or trusts a teammate to bus him well here and go deep.

I think the difference in this post from celaph is that he's challenging an unCCed PR who's trying to unilaterally direct the vote. I think there's reason to be afraid to challenge him unless you know his claim is fake.

[Hellenic Riot]

If we think his actions aren't helping us, I say we vote him.

Now would be an excellent time to give your thoughts on Flum

[Fluminator]

I'm really hoping HR basically just gave up as scum and trolling me in his final moments.