M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Hellenic Riot]

Not to mention that I already pointed out my townreading of him to the absurd extremes was to see how far Flum would go in automatically sheeping that read, which was as long ago as N2

Have you actually been reading anything I've posted?

[kgray]

I had Fluminator and Balki ranked 11 and 13 on my N3 list, I certainly was never town reading them. I moved them up because I thought they were participating with the discussion after Durga claimed, but on review this is more true for Balki than Fluminator. I must have had another reason for moving Fluminator higher, but I do not remember what is was. In any case, Fluminator may be my top scum read now.

I also never said I had "strong reasons" for town reading anyone.

Do you think Fluminator voting for teacon should cause me to town read him or scum read him? I pointed out why I think that could have been a bus.

I think if you're using POE as a way to find scum, you need to have relatively strong reasons to townread people who you eliminate from your POE.

I can see Flum's vote for teacon as either alignment. I think HR's vote looks more like a bus, though.

Care to explain why? Feels more like you're scumreading me and then backtracking to try and fit my actions to make that narrative rather than the other way around

Because Flum started the wagon and was one of the first to legitimately push teacon. You agreed with his reasoning and joined later, once it was viable. It just seems to me like scum would be more likely to join an existing wagon on their teammate than to try to start it themselves.

[kgray]

Pretty sure damo was not top, or indeed particularly close to top, when I did my last read list.

Oh, apparently I didn't process your N3 readslist. Why are you less sure about him now?

He's made quite a few 'townclearing' posts that were complete shite, which you've seemingly missed me repeatedly call out too.

No I saw you calling them out, but those posts are a lot more in line with what I expect from town!damo so it's funny to me that that's what's making you less sure of your townread on him.

[kgray]

Not to mention that I already pointed out my townreading of him to the absurd extremes was to see how far Flum would go in automatically sheeping that read, which was as long ago as N2

Have you actually been reading anything I've posted?

You still listed damo as a solid townread in your EoN2 post, so I was under the impression that you were still sticking to your absurd and extreme townread of him.

I even asked you about this D3 and you continued to double-down on your townread of him, brushing off what he did at EoD2 as fine but scumreading worcej for the same thing.

[Hellenic Riot]

Not to mention that I already pointed out my townreading of him to the absurd extremes was to see how far Flum would go in automatically sheeping that read, which was as long ago as N2

Have you actually been reading anything I've posted?

You still listed damo as a solid townread in your EoN2 post, so I was under the impression that you were still sticking to your absurd and extreme townread of him.

I even asked you about this D3 and you continued to double-down on your townread of him, brushing off what he did at EoD2 as fine but scumreading worcej for the same thing.

I said at the time why I thought worcej was much more egregious about it

[Fluminator]

I find it really funny HR is trying to blame his absurd damo read on me when all I did was ask him why he townread him near the start of the day.

[kgray]

Not to mention that I already pointed out my townreading of him to the absurd extremes was to see how far Flum would go in automatically sheeping that read, which was as long ago as N2

Have you actually been reading anything I've posted?

You still listed damo as a solid townread in your EoN2 post, so I was under the impression that you were still sticking to your absurd and extreme townread of him.

I even asked you about this D3 and you continued to double-down on your townread of him, brushing off what he did at EoD2 as fine but scumreading worcej for the same thing.

I said at the time why I thought worcej was much more egregious about it

Fine but your response to why it wasn't scummy from damo was just "damo is still blatant town." Even though you questioned why he didn't vote to save Hamilton and even admitted it was disconcerting. It apparently didn't factor into your read.

[Hellenic Riot]

You still listed damo as a solid townread in your EoN2 post, so I was under the impression that you were still sticking to your absurd and extreme townread of him.

I even asked you about this D3 and you continued to double-down on your townread of him, brushing off what he did at EoD2 as fine but scumreading worcej for the same thing.

I said at the time why I thought worcej was much more egregious about it

Fine but your response to why it wasn't scummy from damo was just "damo is still blatant town." Even though you questioned why he didn't vote to save Hamilton and even admitted it was disconcerting. It apparently didn't factor into your read.

I readjusted my reads after EMC became conftown

[ghug]

I've been getting skeevy vibes from HR for a while now.

The way he asked me about Bunny listing a townie makes me think he wasn't actually thinking it all the way through himself, just throwing something out there in the hopes that someone else would start using it to scumread someone.

When I was questioning Bona about the goon thing, he didn't offer an opinion on Bona, he just offered him a shovel, framing the conversation in a certain way and fanning the flames.

I think I remember him doing something similar when bozo and Flum were fighting too.

[Hellenic Riot]

I've been getting skeevy vibes from HR for a while now.

The way he asked me about Bunny listing a townie makes me think he wasn't actually thinking it all the way through himself, just throwing something out there in the hopes that someone else would start using it to scumread someone.

When I was questioning Bona about the goon thing, he didn't offer an opinion on Bona, he just offered him a shovel, framing the conversation in a certain way and fanning the flames.

I think I remember him doing something similar when bozo and Flum were fighting too.

What part did I not think through? Your explanations have not satisfied me as to why a scumteam would guarantee two of their number went down to guilties without being able to fish a PR

I have no opinion on the Goon thing. Bona contradicting himself under pressure in his first game is something I find equally plausible as either alignment

[kgray]

I said at the time why I thought worcej was much more egregious about it

Fine but your response to why it wasn't scummy from damo was just "damo is still blatant town." Even though you questioned why he didn't vote to save Hamilton and even admitted it was disconcerting. It apparently didn't factor into your read.

I readjusted my reads after EMC became conftown

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about N2/D3, well before emc was confirmed town.

I think your townread of damo early in the game was fake. These are the reasons you townread him earlier:

If it came down to you vs damo, I'd vote you

Really? What makes you so sure of a damo townread?

He reminds me completely of M60 and not at all of last game - He isn't hiding under the radar, he's making controversial votes against people he knows he'll get a backlash over, and he doesn't give a damn about what anyone thinks. I just cannot understand why anyone scumreads him, let alone has him as the person they want to vote.

He wasn't acting that way at the time. And it makes no sense for you to be backing out of your townread of him now for his random and, honestly, ridiculous posts townclearing people when town!damo is much more likely to say whatever he wants and not care about how people react, as you yourself mentioned above.

[Hellenic Riot]

As for Bozo vs Flum, are you really suggesting you don't know my opinion on Flum?

The most I commented was that I found some of Bozo's points compelling. I don't especially townread Bozo though, and I could buy that it was SvS

[Fluminator]

Compilation of HR's damo reads he's blaming me and apparently scumreading me for.
I ask him if he's confident (since HR was a townread at that point)

HR, can you tell me how confident you are on your damo townread?

HR responds pretty reasonably.

HR, can you tell me how confident you are on your damo townread?

Well it's obviously not getting stronger while he says nothing at all today, but I was reasonably confident after D1

So I take it into account and say I'll trust his read for now.

Ok brain is officially a scumread now too.

Every other post from him today is him talking about how he tried to save teacon and it almost sounds jubilant and smug with how much he brings it up along with the excitement behind it.
It really feels he's going into his "I'm so crazy and whacky" meta to cover his tracks to get away with it and loving every minute it's working.
I feel like town brain would not be like this.

Brain, Brian, probably one of ghug/Vecna/Balki, probably a couple out of the pool of lurkers/new players/Maniac.
I'd put damo in there too but I'll trust HR's read on him for now and there's an abundance of scummy behaviour this game to go around.

Bunny is still kind of scummy too lol.

So then HR starts getting increasingly fanatical in his damo simping

This was meant to be a more lighthearted joke than it came across, I think; I wasn't aware they were arguing when I made it.

That said, ##VOTE worcej. There's no room in this game for blatant misogyny.

You should vote for damo.

If it came down to you vs damo, I'd vote you

If it came down to you vs damo, I'd vote you

Seriously lol how can you townread damo right now?

Since he returned, my townread has strengthened to near certainty - he's my strongest read by miles

Since he returned, my townread has strengthened to near certainty - he's my strongest read by miles

HR, can I ask what you're reading from damo that makes them your strongest read, and town-read at that? I feel like I am missing something on every single damned person.

It's merely a combination of every single thing he's posted in the entire game. I'd go so far as to say I'd believe that the GM's messed up and sent me the wrong PM and I'm actually scum over believing that damo is town

At this point, any normal person will think HR might be a PR softing an inno because when he's bringing up literal GM PMs, it's pretty obvious what this could mean.
The damo wagon is really piling up at this point.

I say one more time in response

Damo is scummy, but I'm willing to sheep HR's read here.

Let's all kill Brian.

HR goes on to say he trusts damo's reads and it's why he's not voting Brian.

And then as soon as the day is done, he says he's following whatever damo does tomorrow. THEN HR says he's scumreading me for trusting his read while he still is townreading Damo. And blames all his over the top posts on me.

HR if you're town this is an embarassment of a game. I'm sorry but it is.

[ghug]

I've been getting skeevy vibes from HR for a while now.

The way he asked me about Bunny listing a townie makes me think he wasn't actually thinking it all the way through himself, just throwing something out there in the hopes that someone else would start using it to scumread someone.

When I was questioning Bona about the goon thing, he didn't offer an opinion on Bona, he just offered him a shovel, framing the conversation in a certain way and fanning the flames.

I think I remember him doing something similar when bozo and Flum were fighting too.

What part did I not think through? Your explanations have not satisfied me as to why a scumteam would guarantee two of their number went down to guilties without being able to fish a PR

I have no opinion on the Goon thing. Bona contradicting himself under pressure in his first game is something I find equally plausible as either alignment

You haven't given an explanation for that either. You've just said you think it's likely he listed a teammate because you've never played mafia or seen the Princess Bride before.

[ghug]

As for Bozo vs Flum, are you really suggesting you don't know my opinion on Flum?

The most I commented was that I found some of Bozo's points compelling. I don't especially townread Bozo though, and I could buy that it was SvS

I know your opinion on Flum. I remember getting the impression that you were happy letting people pile on bozo anyway, but I'll have to go back and look for it later.

[Hellenic Riot]

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And this is a compilation of every time you mentioned damo D2 and N2, and how you managed to bring my townread up almost every single time

[Fluminator]

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And this is a compilation of every time you mentioned damo D2 and N2, and how you managed to bring my townread up almost every single time

Yes, I literally just went over it in the last post.
I mentioned it once before your over the top posts.

And you're telling people all those over the top posts were because I was sheeping you. Don't blame me for your terrible posts.

[Fluminator]

I don't believe that was your reason. It makes no sense looking at the order of events.

[Hellenic Riot]

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And this is a compilation of every time you mentioned damo D2 and N2, and how you managed to bring my townread up almost every single time

Yes, I literally just went over it in the last post.
I mentioned it once before your over the top posts.

And you're telling people all those over the top posts were because I was sheeping you. Don't blame me for your terrible posts.

I saw you linking us and decided to see how far that would go. Apparently so far as to considering sheeping damo's read on HB because of my read on damo, which is hilariously insane

[Fluminator]

Except I didn't.
This is textbook "do something terrible and create a reason for your actions in hindsight"

Me saying once that I'll trust a read of yours in a very minor sentence in a longer post is not a reason to make those posts you did.