M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Hellenic Riot]

This is so weird to me. I've never seen bozo make a POE argument before? And he's townreading Balki/Flum based on non-VCA reasons?

What was townie about their responses? What are your strong reasons for townreading other poeple that moved damo/bona/Chaqa down on your list?

Did you forget that Flum voted for teacon...?

I had Fluminator and Balki ranked 11 and 13 on my N3 list, I certainly was never town reading them. I moved them up because I thought they were participating with the discussion after Durga claimed, but on review this is more true for Balki than Fluminator. I must have had another reason for moving Fluminator higher, but I do not remember what is was. In any case, Fluminator may be my top scum read now.

I also never said I had "strong reasons" for town reading anyone.

Do you think Fluminator voting for teacon should cause me to town read him or scum read him? I pointed out why I think that could have been a bus.

I think if you're using POE as a way to find scum, you need to have relatively strong reasons to townread people who you eliminate from your POE.

I can see Flum's vote for teacon as either alignment. I think HR's vote looks more like a bus, though.

Care to explain why? Feels more like you're scumreading me and then backtracking to try and fit my actions to make that narrative rather than the other way around

[ghug]

Yes, whoops.

The quotation marks are signals to my scum teammates.

The more I look at this, the more it bothers me about why Bunny lied about who he visited.

As a smuggler, sure, there's an excellent reason not to tell the truth (if you're guilty you give away your teammates). But Bunny was the blackmailer. He visited EMC and Someone. He knew if he was guiltied then one of those would be cleared anyway. Why bother lying? What on earth is the motivation to risk not being able to fish the jailer out?

I think either:
a) Scum decided to all lie to avoid giving us information. We all answered, which was probably enough to narrow the jailer down some, and any scum's truthful answers are going to give us townclears or confirmed scum anyway. Real scum visits were also likely to look weirder than townies listing their townreads. I actually thought this was the best strategy while we were doing it.
b) The coordinator wasn't actively telling Bunny what to do, and he panicked. I doubt there's no coordinator because we have max town PRs, so this would point to someone like Yoyo or Chaqa.

[ghug]

Yes, whoops.

The quotation marks are signals to my scum teammates.

The more I look at this, the more it bothers me about why Bunny lied about who he visited.

As a smuggler, sure, there's an excellent reason not to tell the truth (if you're guilty you give away your teammates). But Bunny was the blackmailer. He visited EMC and Someone. He knew if he was guiltied then one of those would be cleared anyway. Why bother lying? What on earth is the motivation to risk not being able to fish the jailer out?

Why did you choose this post to quote?

[Hellenic Riot]

I feel like the argument that Balki would be much more active as scum overlooks the possibility that Balki might not be that active because he actually has other things to do in life

[Hellenic Riot]

The more I look at this, the more it bothers me about why Bunny lied about who he visited.

As a smuggler, sure, there's an excellent reason not to tell the truth (if you're guilty you give away your teammates). But Bunny was the blackmailer. He visited EMC and Someone. He knew if he was guiltied then one of those would be cleared anyway. Why bother lying? What on earth is the motivation to risk not being able to fish the jailer out?

I think either:
a) Scum decided to all lie to avoid giving us information. We all answered, which was probably enough to narrow the jailer down some, and any scum's truthful answers are going to give us townclears or confirmed scum anyway. Real scum visits were also likely to look weirder than townies listing their townreads. I actually thought this was the best strategy while we were doing it.
b) The coordinator wasn't actively telling Bunny what to do, and he panicked. I doubt there's no coordinator because we have max town PRs, so this would point to someone like Yoyo or Chaqa.

Possibly, but if the scum were all lying, is that not an excellent opportunity for the blackmailer to claim they visited a teammate?

[Hellenic Riot]

The more I look at this, the more it bothers me about why Bunny lied about who he visited.

As a smuggler, sure, there's an excellent reason not to tell the truth (if you're guilty you give away your teammates). But Bunny was the blackmailer. He visited EMC and Someone. He knew if he was guiltied then one of those would be cleared anyway. Why bother lying? What on earth is the motivation to risk not being able to fish the jailer out?

Why did you choose this post to quote?

It had the full list of jailer claims in it

[ghug]

The more I look at this, the more it bothers me about why Bunny lied about who he visited.

As a smuggler, sure, there's an excellent reason not to tell the truth (if you're guilty you give away your teammates). But Bunny was the blackmailer. He visited EMC and Someone. He knew if he was guiltied then one of those would be cleared anyway. Why bother lying? What on earth is the motivation to risk not being able to fish the jailer out?

Why did you choose this post to quote?

It had the full list of jailer claims in it

So did several others.

[ghug]

The more I look at this, the more it bothers me about why Bunny lied about who he visited.

As a smuggler, sure, there's an excellent reason not to tell the truth (if you're guilty you give away your teammates). But Bunny was the blackmailer. He visited EMC and Someone. He knew if he was guiltied then one of those would be cleared anyway. Why bother lying? What on earth is the motivation to risk not being able to fish the jailer out?

I think either:
a) Scum decided to all lie to avoid giving us information. We all answered, which was probably enough to narrow the jailer down some, and any scum's truthful answers are going to give us townclears or confirmed scum anyway. Real scum visits were also likely to look weirder than townies listing their townreads. I actually thought this was the best strategy while we were doing it.
b) The coordinator wasn't actively telling Bunny what to do, and he panicked. I doubt there's no coordinator because we have max town PRs, so this would point to someone like Yoyo or Chaqa.

Possibly, but if the scum were all lying, is that not an excellent opportunity for the blackmailer to claim they visited a teammate?

That's pure WIFOM.

[Hellenic Riot]

The more I look at this, the more it bothers me about why Bunny lied about who he visited.

As a smuggler, sure, there's an excellent reason not to tell the truth (if you're guilty you give away your teammates). But Bunny was the blackmailer. He visited EMC and Someone. He knew if he was guiltied then one of those would be cleared anyway. Why bother lying? What on earth is the motivation to risk not being able to fish the jailer out?

Why did you choose this post to quote?

It was the most recent

[Hellenic Riot]

I think either:
a) Scum decided to all lie to avoid giving us information. We all answered, which was probably enough to narrow the jailer down some, and any scum's truthful answers are going to give us townclears or confirmed scum anyway. Real scum visits were also likely to look weirder than townies listing their townreads. I actually thought this was the best strategy while we were doing it.
b) The coordinator wasn't actively telling Bunny what to do, and he panicked. I doubt there's no coordinator because we have max town PRs, so this would point to someone like Yoyo or Chaqa.

Possibly, but if the scum were all lying, is that not an excellent opportunity for the blackmailer to claim they visited a teammate?

That's pure WIFOM.

Of course it is, but I still really struggle to see the point of lying without trying to make teammates look good (or in the smuggler's case, townies look bad).

[ghug]

Possibly, but if the scum were all lying, is that not an excellent opportunity for the blackmailer to claim they visited a teammate?

That's pure WIFOM.

Of course it is, but I still really struggle to see the point of lying without trying to make teammates look good (or in the smuggler's case, townies look bad).

Making yourself look legitimate?

[Hellenic Riot]

That's pure WIFOM.

Of course it is, but I still really struggle to see the point of lying without trying to make teammates look good (or in the smuggler's case, townies look bad).

Making yourself look legitimate?

Because lying sure helped Bunny there

[Hellenic Riot]

If all the scum lied then they guaranteed that whichever one was the 'guilty' would be confscum, and that they wouldn't be able to fish the jailer (lucky for them the jailer decided to out themselves anyway). I don't see how that's a good move, at all

[ghug]

Of course it is, but I still really struggle to see the point of lying without trying to make teammates look good (or in the smuggler's case, townies look bad).

Making yourself look legitimate?

Because lying sure helped Bunny there

Lying was sacrificing one of the visiting PRs. They didn't know which was caught, so the other one would want to look like town.

You're making this godawful argument to me specifically, which is interesting because I am one of his two jail claims and I strongly townread the other. Are you trying to push me to whoever he said he actually visited N2 once he was caught lying, or what?

[Hellenic Riot]

Making yourself look legitimate?

Because lying sure helped Bunny there

Lying was sacrificing one of the visiting PRs. They didn't know which was caught, so the other one would want to look like town.

You're making this godawful argument to me specifically, which is interesting because I am one of his two jail claims and I strongly townread the other. Are you trying to push me to whoever he said he actually visited N2 once he was caught lying, or what?

I don't townread kgray anymore

[ghug]

If all the scum lied then they guaranteed that whichever one was the 'guilty' would be confscum, and that they wouldn't be able to fish the jailer (lucky for them the jailer decided to out themselves anyway). I don't see how that's a good move, at all

Bunny lied. It seems very unlikely the smuggler told us the truth. Jamie was caught, so what he said is irrelevant. Nobody said they visited Neph except for Jamie, so if someone else did that kill, they lied too.

[ghug]

Because lying sure helped Bunny there

Lying was sacrificing one of the visiting PRs. They didn't know which was caught, so the other one would want to look like town.

You're making this godawful argument to me specifically, which is interesting because I am one of his two jail claims and I strongly townread the other. Are you trying to push me to whoever he said he actually visited N2 once he was caught lying, or what?

I don't townread kgray anymore

Because of this specifically?

[Hellenic Riot]

Lying was sacrificing one of the visiting PRs. They didn't know which was caught, so the other one would want to look like town.

You're making this godawful argument to me specifically, which is interesting because I am one of his two jail claims and I strongly townread the other. Are you trying to push me to whoever he said he actually visited N2 once he was caught lying, or what?

I don't townread kgray anymore

Because of this specifically?

No, I haven't been townreading her for quite a while, but the list of hypo-jails being brought back up reminded me of how Bunny got caught and it still feels idiotic to me.

Admittedly the scum sent the RB'er to do the kill and didn't RB the outed tracker, so they're already doing 4D Chess beyond my comprehension, but it still bothers me why you'd risk lying unless you can try to get something else out of it.

[kgray]

Who are HR's top town reads?

Unless he's changed his mind without posting, pretty sure his top townread is damo.

Pretty sure damo was not top, or indeed particularly close to top, when I did my last read list.

Oh, apparently I didn't process your N3 readslist. Why are you less sure about him now?

[Hellenic Riot]

Unless he's changed his mind without posting, pretty sure his top townread is damo.

Pretty sure damo was not top, or indeed particularly close to top, when I did my last read list.

Oh, apparently I didn't process your N3 readslist. Why are you less sure about him now?

He's made quite a few 'townclearing' posts that were complete shite, which you've seemingly missed me repeatedly call out too.