M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[ghug]

I agree with you that he doesn't seem as inquisitive/hunting as he did as town. Especially now that we have a flipped scum (who was a wagon at EOD) I'd have expected town!Balki to be more excited about using that info than he was.

But I also feel like scum!Balki would hide that better, and I'm not really scumreading him. I definitely wouldn't vote for him at this point.

This is literally the definition of null

It's what bozo was getting at, though. I'm finding most of his interactions with people tiresome and uninformative, so it's best to speed them along.

[kgray]

This is my current list:

Tom
aarodactyl
HR
Vecna
celaph
ghug
Yoyoyozo
Balki
Bonatogether
Maniac
Chaqa
kgray
damo
Fluminator

It's funny to me that you townread Vecna and HR so highly yet scumread their two top townreads so much.

[kgray]

Bozo is very slightly null-town, but I think we have to kill him tomorrow anyway so he doesn't cost the game for us at endgame if he is town.

Hate this.

[ghug]

Looking in a vacuum I find Flums ask of me to compare to really long ISOs for something he could have said in 5 seconds to be potentially scum trying to distract a townclear from doing anything useful before his death.

Vecna paid Durga to townread him before she died. Would you be open to a similar arrangement?

[kgray]

M62 is missing haikus.

Please tell me this is not what flum had me search for. I found nothing obvious comparing those isos flum

In my experience, ghug as scum sprinkles posts saying stuff like "these two aren't partners" or "good post" or "bad post" or "town post" etc. to look busy without anything ever actually meaning anything.

In his town game, he rarely did useless posts like that. In my check, he made two posts of this genre in his town game, and they actually lasted and meant something in his reads. He also has a lot harder of a time letting go of scumreads in his towngame.

I don't agree with this, town!ghug in the last game did those things. I found 9 instances of it just by searching "this post" in his ISO.

[Tom Bombadil]

Looking in a vacuum I find Flums ask of me to compare to really long ISOs for something he could have said in 5 seconds to be potentially scum trying to distract a townclear from doing anything useful before his death.

Vecna paid Durga to townread him before she died. Would you be open to a similar arrangement?

You can pay me in compliments

[Tom Bombadil]

I also think it’s dangerous to compare meta to other games in particular here because there has been so much information early with scum flips and outed PRs. Certainly people may act differently even as town compared to a game where there is not so much to work with early.

[kgray]

I used the word goon as a general term to refer to a person in a negative sense, although yall are trying to catch me in a scumslip by saying that it's a mafia person without any additional abilities.

This is weird to me because, in addition to the setup posts, several people *including bona* had used the term "goon" to describe the non-PR mafia roles.

So it's strange that both ghug and damo jumped on him for using that word, but I also think bona's explanation here is most likely not genuine. It's pretty clear he meant non-PR scum.

Why is it strange to question his use of the word?

Because it didn't seem like you were questioning the fact that he got Jamie's role wrong, it seemed like you were questioning that he'd even know that goon was the name for non-PR mafia. And he'd used that word in that context previously, so it doesn't seem strange to me that he'd use it there.

[Tom Bombadil]

This may be how Flum plays but it seems odd to spend so much time analyzing meta I do not find much different anyway versus specific in game connections here considering the number of scum have flipped

[ghug]

Looking in a vacuum I find Flums ask of me to compare to really long ISOs for something he could have said in 5 seconds to be potentially scum trying to distract a townclear from doing anything useful before his death.

Vecna paid Durga to townread him before she died. Would you be open to a similar arrangement?

You can pay me in compliments

I don't need any excuse to compliment someone as beautiful and intelligent as you.

[Tom Bombadil]

Makes the thug push seem like a hit job versus actual hunting.

[Tom Bombadil]

Vecna paid Durga to townread him before she died. Would you be open to a similar arrangement?

You can pay me in compliments

I don't need any excuse to compliment someone as beautiful and intelligent as you.

Confirmed town.

[kgray]

You would have had to reverse your read of me to join my wagon. As for discouraging it, I suppose I do consider that potential pocketing.

K well I wouldn't waste my time pocketing you as scum because you'd be one of my first NK targets. And you can take this as pocketing if you want too.

[kgray]

This is my current list:

Tom
aarodactyl
HR
Vecna
celaph
ghug
Yoyoyozo
Balki
Bonatogether
Maniac
Chaqa
kgray
damo
Fluminator

Why am I so high on this list?

Someone has to be.

Okay bozo, *this* is what bothers me. If you don't have good reasons for your townreads how can you even have a scumpool based on POE??

[ghug]

This is weird to me because, in addition to the setup posts, several people *including bona* had used the term "goon" to describe the non-PR mafia roles.

So it's strange that both ghug and damo jumped on him for using that word, but I also think bona's explanation here is most likely not genuine. It's pretty clear he meant non-PR scum.

Why is it strange to question his use of the word?

Because it didn't seem like you were questioning the fact that he got Jamie's role wrong, it seemed like you were questioning that he'd even know that goon was the name for non-PR mafia. And he'd used that word in that context previously, so it doesn't seem strange to me that he'd use it there.

I was questioning the fact that he'd used the word atypically and I wanted to know what had led to that. I was hoping for the latter explanation because that would make for a more compelling townslip in my eyes. I didn't remember his having used it previously.

[kgray]

This is weird to me because, in addition to the setup posts, several people *including bona* had used the term "goon" to describe the non-PR mafia roles.

So it's strange that both ghug and damo jumped on him for using that word, but I also think bona's explanation here is most likely not genuine. It's pretty clear he meant non-PR scum.

Is there a scum reason for my argument?

Yeah, if you were lying about what you meant it's because you were afraid that using the word "goon" to refer to non-PR scum was giving away more info than you should have if you were just a new town player. So quickly denying that and instead saying you just meant "goon" as in general bad guy definitely looks sketchy, because we know you knew what that term meant based on your previous posts.

[kgray]

I remember Balki's scumgame being way more engaged, but I also remember his town game being more engaged too.
I'm confused why he's townreading ghug and claiming he's "pocketed" because ghug townread him, when literally the basis of his scumreads last towngame were whoever townread him or avoided scumreading him.

He made no mention of reconsidering that tactic when I asked him what he learned from that game. And it was also one of his last mafia games, so I feel like he'd have mentioned that massive difference in play and reading people.

Yeah I was thinking this too. He made us put up with pages and pages of pointless walls arguing with Foxcastle because of that, and it not being a factor in this game is odd.

[ghug]

This is weird to me because, in addition to the setup posts, several people *including bona* had used the term "goon" to describe the non-PR mafia roles.

So it's strange that both ghug and damo jumped on him for using that word, but I also think bona's explanation here is most likely not genuine. It's pretty clear he meant non-PR scum.

Is there a scum reason for my argument?

Yeah, if you were lying about what you meant it's because you were afraid that using the word "goon" to refer to non-PR scum was giving away more info than you should have if you were just a new town player. So quickly denying that and instead saying you just meant "goon" as in general bad guy definitely looks sketchy, because we know you knew what that term meant based on your previous posts.

Can you point out where he used the term before?

[Tom Bombadil]

I feel like if Balki were scum he’d be trying to put the scumteam on his back right now and would be very active.

[Maniac]

Is he? Why can't scum do that?

In fact, that fake cop thing stinks more of someone setting themselves up to fakeclaim a PR if they're at risk of being daykilled than it does of somehow attempting to draw a nightkill.

I think then he'd more likely disclose it during the day. However outing yourself as vt is scummy so maybe it is fake (it's certainly elaborate enough) and I've been a bit hasty. So not quasi-townclear but middle of the pack.

Balki remains the slot I'm most suspicious of.

Yuk!

Balki remains the slot of which I am most suspicious.

That's better.

The way he outed it now stinks of someone panicking that their fake breadcrumb might get picked up when people do ISO's than of anything townie whatsoever

I withdrew my soft claim and pointed people to above post once Durga claimed. without explaining the anagram. Think ghug asked me about it at the time.