M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[bozotheclown]

Bozo lol.
Even if I was bussing Teacon, you can't use "not voting scum" as a reason to scumread me because I wasn't voting Jamiet or Bunny that round.

The circumstances were different. You stated bo_sox and BunnyGo were scum early but did not try to start a wagon on them, later pointed out that you would not be voting for Jamie and BunnyGo despite these scum reads, and voted for teacon 3 hours before EOD when there were six 2-vote wagons and other 1 vote wagons.

In summary, bussing teacon while distancing from Jamie and BunnyGo is possible.

[celaph]

Bozo, for what its worth:

The mindset Flum had was exactly what I had in that Brainbomb vs HB EoD. I also wanted to switch because the brainbomb wagon just felt like it was a bad wagon that was just put on the table to sow chaos.

I also felt it was going to be a miskill. I also felt HB was most likely obv-town for the google doc, BUT was going to be a better daykill for game solving purposes. Then when brainbomb did that post after the day-end I thought it was him trolling us as scum again. It was a very rollercoasty type of emotional shittrain. I can 100% identify with Flum's devellopment.

Also, thanks for finally doing something that I can (hopefully not incorrectly) read into.

The fact people are now finally coming out to scumread you, while now youre finally doing something town indicative (to me at least) while they were all refusing to do so while you hadnt done fuck all is just weird.

Your timing is off here, right? People were suspicious of bozo for *not* doing his town-indicative tunneling, and then started townreading bozo after he did it.

I think he took my disagreement with bozo's argument to mean I was scumreading him, and Vecna's obsessed with me, so it might just be that. I feel like bozo was getting other negative feedback around the same time too, but I don't remember from whom.

I think I'm the other person who had negative feedback for bozo's response to flum.

[kgray]

I demand to be hard towncleared based on the grounds of mechanical incompetence lol

I accept this if you give me the same treatment

I towncleared you and Flum when Durga first said she wasn't RBed, for the record.

Jamie was whining about some mechanical change in the thread at some point though, which might be the cause of whenever the fuck happened.

Why not townclear Vecna too then?

[celaph]

This is my current list:

Tom
aarodactyl
HR
Vecna
celaph
ghug
Yoyoyozo
Balki
Bonatogether
Maniac
Chaqa
kgray
damo
Fluminator

Why am I so high on this list?

[ghug]

M62 is missing haikus.

Please tell me this is not what flum had me search for. I found nothing obvious comparing those isos flum

In my experience, ghug as scum sprinkles posts saying stuff like "these two aren't partners" or "good post" or "bad post" or "town post" etc. to look busy without anything ever actually meaning anything.

In his town game, he rarely did useless posts like that. In my check, he made two posts of this genre in his town game, and they actually lasted and meant something in his reads. He also has a lot harder of a time letting go of scumreads in his towngame.

Flum, search "like this post" in the link you sent Tom and you find six examples, plus one where I reference going to write a "like this post" haiku. That's before considering any other variations or the fact that the bot hits its post limit on me there too.

Why are you lying about me?

[kgray]

@Bona

please describe your understanding of the word 'goon' in the context of Mafia.

This is important.

I used the word goon as a general term to refer to a person in a negative sense, although yall are trying to catch me in a scumslip by saying that it's a mafia person without any additional abilities.

This is weird to me because, in addition to the setup posts, several people *including bona* had used the term "goon" to describe the non-PR mafia roles.

So it's strange that both ghug and damo jumped on him for using that word, but I also think bona's explanation here is most likely not genuine. It's pretty clear he meant non-PR scum.

[ghug]

I accept this if you give me the same treatment

I towncleared you and Flum when Durga first said she wasn't RBed, for the record.

Jamie was whining about some mechanical change in the thread at some point though, which might be the cause of whenever the fuck happened.

Why not townclear Vecna too then?

I don't think Vecna's necessarily on the same level.

[Fluminator]

Bozo lol.
Even if I was bussing Teacon, you can't use "not voting scum" as a reason to scumread me because I wasn't voting Jamiet or Bunny that round.

The circumstances were different. You stated bo_sox and BunnyGo were scum early but did not try to start a wagon on them, later pointed out that you would not be voting for Jamie and BunnyGo despite these scum reads, and voted for teacon 3 hours before EOD when there were six 2-vote wagons and other 1 vote wagons.

In summary, bussing teacon while distancing from Jamie and BunnyGo is possible.

Lets say I try to start a wagon on Bunny end of day instead of teacon.
Would you then think I'm bussing Bunny, and scummy for not voting teacon and Jamiet in this situation?

[ghug]

@Bona

please describe your understanding of the word 'goon' in the context of Mafia.

This is important.

I used the word goon as a general term to refer to a person in a negative sense, although yall are trying to catch me in a scumslip by saying that it's a mafia person without any additional abilities.

This is weird to me because, in addition to the setup posts, several people *including bona* had used the term "goon" to describe the non-PR mafia roles.

So it's strange that both ghug and damo jumped on him for using that word, but I also think bona's explanation here is most likely not genuine. It's pretty clear he meant non-PR scum.

Why is it strange to question his use of the word?

[celaph]

Everyone's jail claims:
HR*: Kgray Damo
Flum*: HR Kgray
kgray": HR Vecna
aaro: Flum Worcej
Balki*: Flum Vecna
Worcej: Balki Damo
EMC: damo maniac
ghug*: kgray flum
bozo": HR Vecna
bona: brain celaph
bunny: ghug Kgray
maniac: vashta ghug
damo: ghug ghug
Celaph*: Bona Vecna
Vecna: Kgray Brainbomb
Jamiet: Vecna Neph
Chaqa: Bunny Balki

*Could be the smuggler telling the truth about who they visited. Vecna and Maniac gave impossible answers. Aaro did as well, but was scolded and forget them.

Should not damo also have an asterisk if you're willing to give yourself one? Also, is there any difference between the asterisk and the quotation marks that bozo and kgray have?

[bozotheclown]

Yeah. Even if he felt like Hamilton was the best chance for being scum, I really think town!Balki would have fought harder to convince people of Hamilton or to vote for whichever of the lead wagons he preferred.

##vote Balki

kgray seemed to be town reading Balki earlier D2, but became convinced to vote for him when she was still a wagon near EOD. kgray was also scum reading Hamilton D2, but never voted for him, instead she kept trying to get other wagons going. She was probably keeping the option of moving to Hamilton to save herself at EOD open, but that is not unreasonable for town concerned with self preservation.

What are you saying here? Of course I'd have moved to Hamilton to save myself. I didn't have a strong scumread of him and the amount of pressure he was getting made me hesitant to join his wagon, but I did think he seemed different from his past town games.

Bozo if you're town, how do you explain me shooting down your wagon when it was competing with mine? Do you really think I, as scum, go through all that effort to save/pocket you?

Also I have never once townread Balki this game. I dare you to find where I said that.

I was saying it looked like you were keeping the option of moving to Hamilton open in case the vote was still close EOD, which is a common self preservation thing to do and not necessarily alignment indicative. However, you tested a number of other wagons where it was not clear that you scum read then more than Hamilton.

You would have had to reverse your read of me to join my wagon. As for discouraging it, I suppose I do consider that potential pocketing.

You said this about Balki:

Yes, and I'm still scumreding Neph.

What did you think of my Balki case?

I agree with you that he doesn't seem as inquisitive/hunting as he did as town. Especially now that we have a flipped scum (who was a wagon at EOD) I'd have expected town!Balki to be more excited about using that info than he was.

But I also feel like scum!Balki would hide that better, and I'm not really scumreading him. I definitely wouldn't vote for him at this point.

I know not scum reading him is not the same as town reading him, but you voted for Balki not long after this post.

[bozotheclown]

This is my current list:

Tom
aarodactyl
HR
Vecna
celaph
ghug
Yoyoyozo
Balki
Bonatogether
Maniac
Chaqa
kgray
damo
Fluminator

Why am I so high on this list?

Someone has to be.

[ghug]

Everyone's jail claims:
HR*: Kgray Damo
Flum*: HR Kgray
kgray": HR Vecna
aaro: Flum Worcej
Balki*: Flum Vecna
Worcej: Balki Damo
EMC: damo maniac
ghug*: kgray flum
bozo": HR Vecna
bona: brain celaph
bunny: ghug Kgray
maniac: vashta ghug
damo: ghug ghug
Celaph*: Bona Vecna
Vecna: Kgray Brainbomb
Jamiet: Vecna Neph
Chaqa: Bunny Balki

*Could be the smuggler telling the truth about who they visited. Vecna and Maniac gave impossible answers. Aaro did as well, but was scolded and forget them.

Should not damo also have an asterisk if you're willing to give yourself one? Also, is there any difference between the asterisk and the quotation marks that bozo and kgray have?

Yes, whoops.

The quotation marks are signals to my scum teammates.

[kgray]

I townread Chaqa

Why?

[celaph]

Maybe Nephthys was on to Fluminator and kgray.

How and why are you looping me into this? I wasn't shading Neph with my comment at all, and you should realize that context.

Regardless of your intention, Nephthys found it suspicious. It definitely looks like a defense of Fluminator, and Nephthys seemed rather certain Fluminator had slipped by saying Hamilton was obviously town after he posted his notes, yet Fluminator expressed willingness to still vote for Hamilton after that.

Who were you criticizing for not voting for one of the top wagons?

At least he was voting for one of them

I feel like this is meant to throw shade...
You do realise I was voting HB right?

It was meant to throw shade, but not at you. I'm referring to damo and worcej.

[bozotheclown]

Bozo lol.
Even if I was bussing Teacon, you can't use "not voting scum" as a reason to scumread me because I wasn't voting Jamiet or Bunny that round.

The circumstances were different. You stated bo_sox and BunnyGo were scum early but did not try to start a wagon on them, later pointed out that you would not be voting for Jamie and BunnyGo despite these scum reads, and voted for teacon 3 hours before EOD when there were six 2-vote wagons and other 1 vote wagons.

In summary, bussing teacon while distancing from Jamie and BunnyGo is possible.

Lets say I try to start a wagon on Bunny end of day instead of teacon.
Would you then think I'm bussing Bunny, and scummy for not voting teacon and Jamiet in this situation?

If you had previously announced that teacon was scum and later stated you would not be voting for teacon, then probably.

[ghug]

I townread Chaqa

Why?

The teacon vote, the oversimplistic logic. The fact that he legitimately doesn't appear to know exactly what's going on in the game.

[kgray]

Oh I also didn't like where Durga said aaro's interactions with Bunny looked authentic, because I've specifically disliked those (and so did aaro at one print).

Pretty sure she was talking about their interactions after her tracker claim, which imo looked pretty authentic.

[Bonatogether]

This is weird to me because, in addition to the setup posts, several people *including bona* had used the term "goon" to describe the non-PR mafia roles.

So it's strange that both ghug and damo jumped on him for using that word, but I also think bona's explanation here is most likely not genuine. It's pretty clear he meant non-PR scum.

Is there a scum reason for my argument?

[Fluminator]

The circumstances were different. You stated bo_sox and BunnyGo were scum early but did not try to start a wagon on them, later pointed out that you would not be voting for Jamie and BunnyGo despite these scum reads, and voted for teacon 3 hours before EOD when there were six 2-vote wagons and other 1 vote wagons.

In summary, bussing teacon while distancing from Jamie and BunnyGo is possible.

Lets say I try to start a wagon on Bunny end of day instead of teacon.
Would you then think I'm bussing Bunny, and scummy for not voting teacon and Jamiet in this situation?

If you had previously announced that teacon was scum and later stated you would not be voting for teacon, then probably.

It's kind of weird you're not even mentioning the fact that teacon was vanilla and Jamiet/Bunny were both scum PRs. If town bozo genuinely believed I was bussing teacon while protecting jamiet/bunny, I feel like this would have crossed your mind.
This is the second time I've had to forcefeed you the more compelling case on me.