M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Fluminator]

Well no, because if I tell you what it is, you'll be biased into noticing it more.

[damo666]

Before we know the alignment of Yoyo and assuming he is going to be modkilled tonight could everyone who is currently scum reading him could you explain why?

If he flips scum, kudos to you all. If he flips townie I'm going to think there is a possibility you were after an easy mis-kill.

This applies to:
Damo
Vecna
Celaph
Chaqa
Bozo
Aarodactyl

If I've missed anyone, could you please still answer if you're scum reading yoyo. If he is mod-killed we may as well get some infomation from that kill.

I don't scumread yoyo. Look at my list. Middle of the pack.

[damo666]

OK so Maniac's cop story looks true so he's quasi townclear. It's unfortunate that in clearing himself he has narrowed the PR pool but there you go.

[Hellenic Riot]

Is he? Why can't scum do that?

In fact, that fake cop thing stinks more of someone setting themselves up to fakeclaim a PR if they're at risk of being daykilled than it does of somehow attempting to draw a nightkill.

[Fluminator]

HR it's okay to admit you were wrong to simp for damo earlier in the game.

[ghug]

@ghug, what do you make of Durga's read of interactions between you and Bunny?

Two of the quotes were just me incorrectly reading Bunny. Yeah I was wrong. I've generally wanted to townread Bunny when he's scum and scumread Bunny for asking annoying questions when he's town, so I decided the annoying questions were town indicative. The third is Bunny wording something awkwardly. I don't think our exchange itself was awkward.

[kgray]

@bozo why did worcej flipping town make you change your scumreads from Balki and Flum to Chaqa/bona/damo?

For now I would go with Jamie, BunnyGo, Balki, Fluminator, worcej.

I am starting to believe the remaining scum are going to turn to be something like damo, Bonatogether, and Chaqa.

You have not given any explanation for this last group of people.

Balki and Fluminator looked more like town in responsing to Durga's claim, while damo, Bonatogether, and Chaqa have dropped to the bottom of my list by POE. Fluminator is moving down my list again for the way he suspected all of the revealed scum without ever voting for them.

This is so weird to me. I've never seen bozo make a POE argument before? And he's townreading Balki/Flum based on non-VCA reasons?

What was townie about their responses? What are your strong reasons for townreading other poeple that moved damo/bona/Chaqa down on your list?

Did you forget that Flum voted for teacon...?

[ghug]

Bona, can you give me some idea of your thoughts on the game at the moment?

Doesn't have to be reads. Just whatever you find relevant.

This is a lot of junk in no particular order.

I think that the mafia's going to be playing it cool, since Durga knocked them good. There's 3 mafia, one of which 1 is guaranteed to be a goon. There's also a smuggler and/or a coordinator. I figure any goons are the ones more actively tripping the town up, the smuggler being a little more careful and trying to defend the coordinator, if they're there, and the coordinator is probably waffling a lot, or chasing false leads. I think we can then say that the players who are willing to go out on a limb are solid, and vice versa.

Aaro seems more fixated on me than normal, what with the whole bit about how chaqa knew my age and then with my whole goon thing, so I'd put him as townlean.

HR seemed active but then hasn't been talking much this phase. Probably just asleep or smth. Based off of stuff before, townlean.

Celaph has been trying to fit in for ages, which I put (surprise!) as leanscum. Same for Vecna, but less.

Mafia probably wants to kill a low-activity townie, unless they can nail someone who's getting a little too close to home without anyone noticing. Assuming that's right, I'd guess their shortlist to be Chaqa, Balki, damo, and Tom.

Its probably also a good sign that bona thinks scum wants to try and daykill tomB

I'm pretty sure he was talking about a nightkill.

[ghug]

ghug which final reads of Durga's did you hate?

Townie?
Aaro - he's having fun and was v excited when i said i caught two scum, interactions with BUnny were not awkward as they would be if s v s

Vecna - very solvey straight from the get go, feel good about this one. 95% sure he's town

kgray - town just based on how she interacted with teacon, and i think her being ok with getting ND even if she didn't find him scummy is a thing town does more than scum. Scum like to justify their reads, and ND is an easy town read who wrecked havoc in the thread. Bunny also tried to trigger her saying ND wasn't wrong about her so like... Yeah. Pretty certain this one is t o w n. also ppl who were in the game where they were scum together last should do a comparison

Flum - Foxcastle syndrome

Null

celaph - felt townie early on but bunny was the one who asked him the quicktopic q and i don't really see anything outstanding on the reread

Hellenic Riot - I usually ping him as town p fast but haven't felt that way this game. I think the whole emc thing was faaaake. Could be scum. Pressure him more.

ghug - Hard for me to read this one. Isn't setting off my scum vibes as much as he usually does but maybe he's just gotten better at that.

damo - who is damo?

chaqa - who is chaqa?

yoyo - please replace he is worthless but he did ping me as town when he was posting.

Scum:

Balki - Maybe, see my other posts

Maniac - Someone go back and read his weird ass d1 vote on me. If he claims he didn't read the thread that's fucking garbage because he actually engaged a lot in d1. I didn't see him come up with any reads, which is weeeird.

bozotheclown - not exactly the town bozo I know and love. very much unenthusiastic. he's doing the tunnel thing on flum that he did as scum on... I can't even remember who he did it on. v ingenuine imo

Bonatogether - if there is a scum in the newbie batch i think it's likely to be him. Some weird defending from Bunny of bona but could just be him trying to pocket a town newb.

aaro - I disagree but fine
kgray - agree, but she townreads her for wanting ND dead for his being ND, but not me, which is frustrating and entirely a function of her being too paranoid about me
Flum - A+ troll, don't love the townread

celaph - fine
HR - fine
ghug - annoying to null read me at this point
damo - same
Chaqa - same
Yoyo - fine

Balki - disagree but I see her point
Maniac - I'd probably scumread her for this read. It's so lazy.
Bozo - disagree but I see her point
Bona - strongly disagree

so fixated on me in every post, yet here he forgets me. whats up with that ghug

I reject the premise. Throw you in the "disagree but fine" pile.

[ghug]

also notice how bozo has not at all been pushing for people to fill in his survey. Nor did he update his averages with my result and the other person that did it after he gave the averages.

This is a good point.

[kgray]

In a vacuum this would make me like celaph less, but since it was a slip triggered by bunny that got him this townread, maybe I like him more?

Yeah I was thinking about Bunny feeding celaph that line and while I was suspicious of it before Bunny's flip because I thought it could have been planned to make celaph look good, I don't really think that's likely anymore. Scum wouldn't need to do something like that to get towncred for a new player, and I think they wouldn't bother drawing attention to their teammate in the chance that Bunny does flip before celaph. It's too obviously suspicious, and it undoes all the towncred they'd have previously bought celaph.

[ghug]

Tom, do a skim over ghug's iso this game, and then do one over https://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=61&user=ghug

and see if you notice something missing in one of them.

Can’t you just tell me? For brevity’s sake?

M62 is missing haikus.

[Tom Bombadil]

Tom, do a skim over ghug's iso this game, and then do one over https://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=61&user=ghug

and see if you notice something missing in one of them.

Can’t you just tell me? For brevity’s sake?

M62 is missing haikus.

Please tell me this is not what flum had me search for. I found nothing obvious comparing those isos flum

[bozotheclown]

Before we know the alignment of Yoyo and assuming he is going to be modkilled tonight could everyone who is currently scum reading him could you explain why?

If he flips scum, kudos to you all. If he flips townie I'm going to think there is a possibility you were after an easy mis-kill.

This applies to:
Damo
Vecna
Celaph
Chaqa
Bozo
Aarodactyl

If I've missed anyone, could you please still answer if you're scum reading yoyo. If he is mod-killed we may as well get some infomation from that kill.

I had Yoyoyozo fifth lowest on my list because he has not done anything to be ranked higher.

[kgray]

@bozo why did worcej flipping town make you change your scumreads from Balki and Flum to Chaqa/bona/damo?





You have not given any explanation for this last group of people.

Balki and Fluminator looked more like town in responsing to Durga's claim, while damo, Bonatogether, and Chaqa have dropped to the bottom of my list by POE. Fluminator is moving down my list again for the way he suspected all of the revealed scum without ever voting for them.

This is so weird to me. I've never seen bozo make a POE argument before? And he's townreading Balki/Flum based on non-VCA reasons?

What was townie about their responses? What are your strong reasons for townreading other poeple that moved damo/bona/Chaqa down on your list?

Did you forget that Flum voted for teacon...?

Correction, I found town!bozo using POE arguments before. I missed them searching through the bot of his previous games because of a typo.

[bozotheclown]

also notice how bozo has not at all been pushing for people to fill in his survey. Nor did he update his averages with my result and the other person that did it after he gave the averages.

This is a good point.

Why is this a good point? It was a N3 survey, and I gave the results for everyone who chose to participate N3.

[aarodactyl]

I apologize I have not been a very good sub townclear.

I haven’t read every word of the thread but have been paying attention. I think ghug and kgray are likely town. I lean Vecna that way as well.

Chaqa is likely town unless Bunny *only* bussed D1.

I don’t think anyone would be able to catch up on this game. You got subbed into a really weird spot

[damo666]

Is he? Why can't scum do that?

In fact, that fake cop thing stinks more of someone setting themselves up to fakeclaim a PR if they're at risk of being daykilled than it does of somehow attempting to draw a nightkill.

I think then he'd more likely disclose it during the day. However outing yourself as vt is scummy so maybe it is fake (it's certainly elaborate enough) and I've been a bit hasty. So not quasi-townclear but middle of the pack.

Balki remains the slot I'm most suspicious of.

Yuk!

Balki remains the slot of which I am most suspicious.

That's better.

[kgray]

It comes with experience. Sometimes you get a strong gut feeling when a wagon a few minutes before eod is going to be a miskill.

Yea nah, don’t buy it sorry

At least he was voting for one of them

I feel like this is meant to throw shade...
You do realise I was voting HB right?

Maybe Nephthys was on to Fluminator and kgray.

How and why are you looping me into this? I wasn't shading Neph with my comment at all, and you should realize that context.

[ghug]

also notice how bozo has not at all been pushing for people to fill in his survey. Nor did he update his averages with my result and the other person that did it after he gave the averages.

This is a good point.

Why is this a good point? It was a N3 survey, and I gave the results for everyone who chose to participate N3.

We haven't learned any new alignments since then, why didn't you push on continuing it the next day? It'd be easy enough to remove dead confirmed town.