M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[bozotheclown]

Flum I'm pretty sure is town. Bozo is just confusing me. HR is feeling less and less town. Don't like how mia Balki is but it's a slow day.

Vecna, time to game solve this thanks.

What makes you sure Fluminator is town?

Bozo, for what its worth:

The mindset Flum had was exactly what I had in that Brainbomb vs HB EoD. I also wanted to switch because the brainbomb wagon just felt like it was a bad wagon that was just put on the table to sow chaos.

I also felt it was going to be a miskill. I also felt HB was most likely obv-town for the google doc, BUT was going to be a better daykill for game solving purposes. Then when brainbomb did that post after the day-end I thought it was him trolling us as scum again. It was a very rollercoasty type of emotional shittrain. I can 100% identify with Flum's devellopment.

Also, thanks for finally doing something that I can (hopefully not incorrectly) read into.

The fact people are now finally coming out to scumread you, while now youre finally doing something town indicative (to me at least) while they were all refusing to do so while you hadnt done fuck all is just weird.

I thought it was likely town vs. town also, but there was no point in declaring it when Fluminator did because it was too late to do anything about it. I thought it was better to flip Hamilton because he likely would have the notes as scum since he brought it up, and if Fluminator was scum it could have been a set up.

[damo666]

Damo

Tom


HR
Chaqa
Flum

Ghug
Bozo
Kgray
Aaro
Vecna
celaph
Yoyo

Maniac
Bona

Balki



Jamie


Revised list. HR, Chaqa and Flum grouped together based on Day 1 teacon voting. Of course there could be bussing but I'm giving benefit of the doubt. Likeliest busser is Flum imo but Chaqa is known to be fond of bussing.

I know the day is kind of dead but I don't see why we can't start discussing tomorrow's dk. At least then durga and the next NK can pitch in.

I'd be up for any of Balki Bona or Maniac

@Vecna you asked how my reads were progressing. No real change since the above post except Maniac trending upwards due to his quasi analysis and Bozo's recent activity has nudged him down a tad. I no longer classify him as 'obvtown.'

Also, you were agreeing with me (and jamiet) d2 that Bozo was hella suspicious and you were wagoning him with us.

So how come he's "down a tad" from being pretty high on the townreads list?

This is a stupid question. He went up to obvtown and how come down a bit. It's like your initial inverted with most of the right leg missing.

[damo666]

<aaro response to maniac>

My apologies if I didn't make things clear. As I say above to celaph the numbers are just a way of quantifying my thoughts. The underlying premise is this. Town players scum read independently. Scum want to survive by mis-killing townies. To do this a common tactic is to scum read players who are heavily scum read by others. This gives them the flexibility to join those trains if they develop.

You're right that I just picked 'to five scumreads' off top of my head. You're also right that I and others didn't produce read lists. You or others could deduce who we are all scum reading by our posts I suppose for completeness.

Yeah. I got the point of it and I didn’t really emphasize that I thought it was good. However, I don’t think it makes sense to look at where someone was on your ranking except if they fell in the bottom 5 on bozos aggregate list. Then they needed an adjusted score. That’s why I pointed out that Damo would be the most suspicious based on that.

Also I think “top 5” makes sense. I don’t think you cycled through values to pick a certain one. I just meant, it makes all of this a little arbitrary.

It's not really worth a light but the interesting question is did Maniac do this sincerely hoping it might be useful or is it scum obfuscatory nonsense. I'm 60/40 on it.

[Vecna]

@Vecna you asked how my reads were progressing. No real change since the above post except Maniac trending upwards due to his quasi analysis and Bozo's recent activity has nudged him down a tad. I no longer classify him as 'obvtown.'

Also, you were agreeing with me (and jamiet) d2 that Bozo was hella suspicious and you were wagoning him with us.

So how come he's "down a tad" from being pretty high on the townreads list?

This is a stupid question. He went up to obvtown and how come down a bit. It's like your initial inverted with most of the right leg missing.

When did he go to obvtown, and why?

Dont pretend its a stupid question, because you wanted to daykill him D2 and he didnt do shit that day.

[Vecna]

In fact, you didnt make any mention of bozo in between you trying to kill him, and D3 when I asked about opinions on Bozo, where you suddenly claim he is obvtown.

The one thing that changed was that 2 other scum were suddenly outted.

So yeah, what changed for you.

[Fluminator]

Maybe bozo is town. I was actively scumreading at least 5 people (not even including the nulls i haven't paid much attention to like Maniac and Celaph) so even slightly townie posts mean a lot right now.

[bozotheclown]

I meant the vote on HB before the vote on teacon. Obviously the teacon vote was awful.

Oh, possibly. The HB vote is really one of the worst parts of Balki's EoD1. I can just about buy the idea that a wagon on Bunny with 10 minutes to go was possible in that scenario, but the HB vote was never going anywhere and had all the fortitude of a chocolate fireguard.

Yeah. Even if he felt like Hamilton was the best chance for being scum, I really think town!Balki would have fought harder to convince people of Hamilton or to vote for whichever of the lead wagons he preferred.

##vote Balki

kgray seemed to be town reading Balki earlier D2, but became convinced to vote for him when she was still a wagon near EOD. kgray was also scum reading Hamilton D2, but never voted for him, instead she kept trying to get other wagons going. She was probably keeping the option of moving to Hamilton to save herself at EOD open, but that is not unreasonable for town concerned with self preservation.

[damo666]

In fact, you didnt make any mention of bozo in between you trying to kill him, and D3 when I asked about opinions on Bozo, where you suddenly claim he is obvtown.

The one thing that changed was that 2 other scum were suddenly outted.

So yeah, what changed for you.

My interpretation of something that was said. I can't go into specfics. It turns out my interpretation may have been wrong. Hence not so sure anymore.

[Fluminator]

Also if you're scumreading me for asking why you townread damo, shouldn't you be paranoid I'm setting you up after a damo scum flip? You're still townreading him though.

I'm scumreading you because all your explanations for actions are things you can only come up with long after they happened, without any sign whatsoever you believed them at the time

I find Bozo's points to be very compelling

Nope, I literally say why I started thinking it was TvT during the eod scramble. Try again.

[bozotheclown]

Alright, to reiterate my earlier genius:

"If teacon is scum: Jamie and brain look bad. kgray switched off, but helped make him a wagon in the first place, so she's probably ok. Hamilton cast a key vote for ND, but also moved off Maniac to put teacon in the lead at one point."

I still think this largely holds true. Flum/Bunny/HR/Chaqa look good. I could see Vash bussing there, but this should buy him a couple days. Teacon voting Jamie on what is largely a vanity wagon doesn't make Jamie look better, I don't think. aarodactyl's vote also seems more suspicious, now that I think about it. I agree with HR's assessment of Balki, as well.

##VOTE brain

This D2 post does not look too good now. I did not agree that Jamie and brainbomb looked the worse if teacon was scum, I thought kgray and
Balki looked worse. The fact that ghug was right about Jamie yet used this to push a wagon on brainbomb looks suspicious.

[Fluminator]

Can you answer this N2 question from Nephthys is a more specific way?

Brain was town flailing, and the two main pushers of the wagon *cough HR and ghug cough* were really scummy near the end. The amount of times I've see scum start pretending to look for the partners of a person about to flip in a few minutes is a lot. (Only to be "shocked" when they flip town)
It gives them a lot of excuses to stay on a miskill wagon and look townie while doing it, without actually doing anything townie.

I didn't answer Neph because I felt like being patronizing to him because he came out of nowhere pretending to be hot stuff lol.

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Where are these intense scumreads of me and ghug? You went so far as to say you thought I was still town after you downgraded me to null following that EoD

Where did I say you were both *intense* scumreads? Ghug was still a minor scumread (I decided I'd give him 3 days to be townie before I started fully going after him). You're scummy behavior during that wagon is what first made me start doubting you.

[Fluminator]

The first time you actually scumread me was a day later after I'd pushed on how weird it was you were so happy to coast on my damoread and had started to scumread you. And yet apparently you were convinced brainbomb was obvtown because of how scummy my push on him was

Full
Of
Shit

I never said brainbomb was obvtown. What?
What's scummy about sheeping your damo read? The only case where it would be scummy maybe is if you were town and he was scum, and I was framing you, which for some reason you aren't considering.

[Fluminator]

What makes you sure Fluminator is town?

Bozo, for what its worth:

The mindset Flum had was exactly what I had in that Brainbomb vs HB EoD. I also wanted to switch because the brainbomb wagon just felt like it was a bad wagon that was just put on the table to sow chaos.

I also felt it was going to be a miskill. I also felt HB was most likely obv-town for the google doc, BUT was going to be a better daykill for game solving purposes. Then when brainbomb did that post after the day-end I thought it was him trolling us as scum again. It was a very rollercoasty type of emotional shittrain. I can 100% identify with Flum's devellopment.

Also, thanks for finally doing something that I can (hopefully not incorrectly) read into.

The fact people are now finally coming out to scumread you, while now youre finally doing something town indicative (to me at least) while they were all refusing to do so while you hadnt done fuck all is just weird.

I thought it was likely town vs. town also, but there was no point in declaring it when Fluminator did because it was too late to do anything about it. I thought it was better to flip Hamilton because he likely would have the notes as scum since he brought it up, and if Fluminator was scum it could have been a set up.

I can buy this tbh

[Durga]

Well there's not much time left for me on this planet but I guess I can try to read something

[aarodactyl]

Well there's not much time left for me on this planet but I guess I can try to read something

If you post any reads, I'll give them +1s.

[Durga]

We have at least 2 new players. To them, if they missed this in the wall of text, here’s your best research tool:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/front_page

this is pro town, but more just courteous in general. The only way this is a scum gimmick is if you think you needed to alert one of your new buddies to get with the program. I doubt this is the case.

Remoulade!

laissez bon temps rouler!

and yea, bunny is town

This is interesting. I know it can be NAI but could it also indicate that one of Bunny's teammates is a newbie?

[Maniac]

I’m only thinking out loud here so don’t shoot me.

Should we be killing Jamie today or tomorrow.

If we kill Jamie today we will lose 2 town to 1 scum. So scum are more powerful tomorrow and can influence the voting more.

[Durga]

Forgot the game started today.
Since I was daykilled d1 last game, I'm going to take advantage of the short grace period and not do anything today because day 1s are hard.

Same question: when did you read your PM?

I just... does Bunny ask his scum team member if he's read his role PM?

[Durga]

Wow you actually are probably scum.

Nah. I actually know aarodactyl. But I’ve never really seen him in a game like this. I think I know what he’d be like, but his entrance surprised me a little.

This just really strikes me as town v scum

[Durga]

screw/murder/marry

gimme 3 bungo

Bango Durga Bungo

ghug confirmed scum