M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[ghug]

Ive cut out a lot to do some commentary
-I need to start relying a lot more on that "slips that he knows the person is town" read I did on Bo there. That shit has never failed me yet.
-You make one note on a Flum interaction where Jamiet asks him to vote. Does this negate all the rest? Because I cannot help but notice that Flum is grouped with towns in most of the reads. Several of your logic in other places would conclude Flum doesnt look too great.
-Why not make mention of Celaph? You jump straight to theorizing that he listed all towns twice. First of all, thanks for correctly assuming im town. But why do this for Celaph as well?
-I think it shows a bit of a pattern here. Loads of interacting and trying to convince/talk to townies. Just blank reads, little interactions with scumteammates but just "deduced" scumreads. Agree with this assesment?
-If bozo does end up being town here, do you still think it looks overall good on Flum still?

-Can you point me to what specifically you think makes Flum look bad?
-I think I mentioned celaph several times. The "does he only townread town" is rhetorical. I feel like he'd probably townread a teammate at least.
-He yelled a ton at/about Bunny. I could see him doing similarly with other teammates. He didn't talk about teacon a whole lot. Largely I agree with your assessment.
-Town bozo is worse for Flum to the extent that it clarifies the POE, but I think that's about it. Most of what has turned me off of scumreading Flum is the interactions with Jamie in a vacuum and how over the top he's been with scumreading the scum (what bozo finds suspicious.

You apply the grouping logic to jamiets reads. You apply the logic "this pairing probably concludes scum". Yet you dont mention him being part of the null groupings in plenty of places, where if you follow your same consistent logic, is also pretty possible to contain a scum. Then later on you find a single comment to townread him over. Its just something I noticed, since you do the same to Celaph/me and it looked odd

Again, I was throwing shade on you and celaph with those reads. There are also things I like from you two. That doesn't mean I townread you, necessarily. This game is complicated.

Which reads are you talking about? The one you requoted has Flum in the same group as a scum already. That doesn't preclude a second, but it doesn't stick out as much as a group with no known scum.

[Vecna]

-Can you point me to what specifically you think makes Flum look bad?
-I think I mentioned celaph several times. The "does he only townread town" is rhetorical. I feel like he'd probably townread a teammate at least.
-He yelled a ton at/about Bunny. I could see him doing similarly with other teammates. He didn't talk about teacon a whole lot. Largely I agree with your assessment.
-Town bozo is worse for Flum to the extent that it clarifies the POE, but I think that's about it. Most of what has turned me off of scumreading Flum is the interactions with Jamie in a vacuum and how over the top he's been with scumreading the scum (what bozo finds suspicious.

You apply the grouping logic to jamiets reads. You apply the logic "this pairing probably concludes scum". Yet you dont mention him being part of the null groupings in plenty of places, where if you follow your same consistent logic, is also pretty possible to contain a scum. Then later on you find a single comment to townread him over. Its just something I noticed, since you do the same to Celaph/me and it looked odd

Again, I was throwing shade on you and celaph with those reads. There are also things I like from you two. That doesn't mean I townread you, necessarily. This game is complicated.

Which reads are you talking about? The one you requoted has Flum in the same group as a scum already. That doesn't preclude a second, but it doesn't stick out as much as a group with no known scum.

you were implicating we were both town

[Vecna]

meh, guess it can be interpreted both ways on reread.

[damo666]

Damo

Tom


HR
Chaqa
Flum

Ghug
Bozo
Kgray
Aaro
Vecna
celaph
Yoyo

Maniac
Bona

Balki



Jamie


Revised list. HR, Chaqa and Flum grouped together based on Day 1 teacon voting. Of course there could be bussing but I'm giving benefit of the doubt. Likeliest busser is Flum imo but Chaqa is known to be fond of bussing.

I know the day is kind of dead but I don't see why we can't start discussing tomorrow's dk. At least then durga and the next NK can pitch in.

I'd be up for any of Balki Bona or Maniac

@Vecna you asked how my reads were progressing. No real change since the above post except Maniac trending upwards due to his quasi analysis and Bozo's recent activity has nudged him down a tad. I no longer classify him as 'obvtown.'

[Durga]

Also, Durga, you should impress upon some of the newer players how certain you are on some of your townreads.

I dont want to have to battle Aaro down the road if im not NK'd tonight

You want me to certify you as 95 percent town or something? It'll cost you

[Durga]

Ghug being communicator and being able to puppet master his entire team would also explain his high energy and why he's willing to put in so much work.

Thoughts, Durga?

My hesitation is that it makes no sense for him to be the communicator, question Bunny the way he did before Bunny knew what was really going on with my claim, and then Bunny *still* lying about who he visited. But maybe scum!ghug thought lying just made the most sense there.

[Durga]

Hmmmm should I do something fun today and read a book or game, or should I go through all this garbage to try and figure out this game before I die this evening?

[Hellenic Riot]

Flum I'm pretty sure is town. Bozo is just confusing me. HR is feeling less and less town. Don't like how mia Balki is but it's a slow day.

Vecna, time to game solve this thanks.

What makes you sure Fluminator is town?

Bozo, for what its worth:

The mindset Flum had was exactly what I had in that Brainbomb vs HB EoD. I also wanted to switch because the brainbomb wagon just felt like it was a bad wagon that was just put on the table to sow chaos.

I also felt it was going to be a miskill. I also felt HB was most likely obv-town for the google doc, BUT was going to be a better daykill for game solving purposes. Then when brainbomb did that post after the day-end I thought it was him trolling us as scum again. It was a very rollercoasty type of emotional shittrain. I can 100% identify with Flum's devellopment.

Also, thanks for finally doing something that I can (hopefully not incorrectly) read into.

The fact people are now finally coming out to scumread you, while now youre finally doing something town indicative (to me at least) while they were all refusing to do so while you hadnt done fuck all is just weird.

The difference is that Flum apparently felt so bad because ghug & I were massive scumreads for him, which is something he made absolutely zero mention of at the time (indeed the closest he came was retracting his townread and making me "officially null" after brainbomb's flip). His whole justifications have been ex-post-facto for just about everything, and I don't understand how anyone is townreading him for it. Flum has been the most reactive person in the game - Someone suggests he might be scum? Time to suddenly scumreading the shit out of them

[Hellenic Riot]

I also feel the way that Flum suddenly magicked up the strength of his scumreads on ghug & I D3 stinks of someone who thought they were the guilty

[Durga]

I also feel the way that Flum suddenly magicked up the strength of his scumreads on ghug & I D3 stinks of someone who thought they were the guilty

Idgi

[Durga]

I feel like Flum has Foxcastle syndrome

[Fluminator]

I feel like Flum has Foxcastle syndrome

What?

[kgray]

I’ve only skimmed since my last post and I probably won’t be around until an hour before EOD at the earliest. Bozo tunneling on Flum now does seem town!bozo to me. Not thrilled with how quickly Vecna’s read of him switched though. Maniac’s weird post seems like normal maniac weirdness and I think it’s towny? Still think HR and damo are scummy.

##vote Jamie

[Hellenic Riot]

I also feel the way that Flum suddenly magicked up the strength of his scumreads on ghug & I D3 stinks of someone who thought they were the guilty

Idgi

It didn't feel like natural progression, it felt like calculated scum theatre to suddenly come up with unjustified scumreads that could look like busses if he flipped.

[Fluminator]

I've been scumreading ghug since almost his first post lol.
The only modicum of towniness you displayed all game was voting Teacon before becoming incredibly weird and unnatural.

[Hellenic Riot]

I've been scumreading ghug since almost his first post lol.
The only modicum of towniness you displayed all game was voting Teacon before becoming incredibly weird and unnatural.

Amazing how you townread me until N3 and only scumread me yesterday then

[Fluminator]

Also if you're scumreading me for asking why you townread damo, shouldn't you be paranoid I'm setting you up after a damo scum flip? You're still townreading him though.

[Hellenic Riot]

I've been scumreading ghug since almost his first post lol.
The only modicum of towniness you displayed all game was voting Teacon before becoming incredibly weird and unnatural.

Amazing how you townread me until N3 and only scumread me yesterday then

*N2

[Hellenic Riot]

Also if you're scumreading me for asking why you townread damo, shouldn't you be paranoid I'm setting you up after a damo scum flip? You're still townreading him though.

I'm scumreading you because all your explanations for actions are things you can only come up with long after they happened, without any sign whatsoever you believed them at the time

I find Bozo's points to be very compelling

[Hellenic Riot]

Bozo finally coming alive. Interesting.

Can you answer this N2 question from Nephthys is a more specific way?

Obvtowned

Brain was town flailing, and the two main pushers of the wagon *cough HR and ghug cough* were really scummy near the end. The amount of times I've see scum start pretending to look for the partners of a person about to flip in a few minutes is a lot. (Only to be "shocked" when they flip town)
It gives them a lot of excuses to stay on a miskill wagon and look townie while doing it, without actually doing anything townie.

I didn't answer Neph because I felt like being patronizing to him because he came out of nowhere pretending to be hot stuff lol.

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Where are these intense scumreads of me and ghug? You went so far as to say you thought I was still town after you downgraded me to null following that EoD