M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[ghug]

Ghug who is your second strongest scumread right now.

Idk maybe damo?

[bozotheclown]

I rather dislike Bozo’s recent response for multiple reasons:
(1) It is entirely reactive. I see no indication that if Flum didn’t post his argument on why Bozo is scum, that Bozo would have attacked flum in anything like this manner. If he was true in his conviction I don’t see why he would wait for flum like this.
(2) His defense is clearly focused on undermining flum’s credibility rather than challenging flum’s interpretation of his earlier move or defending why he did it. Defending like this feels rather forced when done in context of point (1).
(3) It feels that the argument is full of points that either are not alignment indicative or possibly alignment indicative where bozo has spent minimal time arguing that they are alignment indicative.

Why don't you think Fluminator starting to scum read me wasn't reactive? Here were my scum reads D3:

As we have time to kill everyone post their prediction of the remaining scum Famous Five

Here's mine:

Jamie Bunny emc Maniac yoyo

For now I would go with Jamie, BunnyGo, Balki, Fluminator, worcej.

If it is not clear what I think Fluminator did that looks scum indicative, this exchange between Fluminator and Nephthys is a good example:

I heavily scumread HB until he obvtowned.

Then why post you “wouldn’t switch cause it would tie”

Shouldn’t it more have been
“HB on Townes and I scumread Brain?”

Obvtowned

It comes with experience. Sometimes you get a strong gut feeling when a wagon a few minutes before eod is going to be a miskill.

Yea nah, don’t buy it sorry

Apology accepted.

Also, who are you? This is the first I've noticed you this game.

I’m the person that’s bad enough to not be noticed but not too bad everyone gets shitty at me all the time.

And the person who caught you this game xx

Nephthys caught Fluminator contradicting himself about why he did not move his vote back to Hamilton, and when he asked Fluminator about it, Fluminator avoided the question, then subtly criticized Nephthys.

[ghug]

Hi teacon ur still dead

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Calling what bozo's doing reactive is a little questionable. People have been scumreading him all game, and he did question Flum first, as he notes.

It is decidedly weird though. If he's town he's irrationally deep in a tunnel. If he's scum, I'm not sure why he sells out on Flum like this regardless of Flum's alignment. Is he banking on it not taking off?

[bozotheclown]

There are also these 2 post by Fluminator, 10 minutes apart, right before and right after Nephytys was NKed:

If Nephytys is usually a good player he's probably scum. If not I see him being overconfident town who picks something and rolls with it whatever happens.

Don't forget about Jamiet.

Don't let Bunny continue to slip under the radar either. He might be town, but I think he needs more pressure.

I guess it's possible mafia NKed Hamilton because he basically became confirmed town.
Nephtys was not a good shot either though.

Besides the contradiction on Nephytys, this is the kind of speculation the scum might do to look uncertain about who killed Hamilton, when there was no chance the mafia would NK the D2 counter wagon to a flipped town.

[bozotheclown]

Calling what bozo's doing reactive is a little questionable. People have been scumreading him all game, and he did question Flum first, as he notes.

It is decidedly weird though. If he's town he's irrationally deep in a tunnel. If he's scum, I'm not sure why he sells out on Flum like this regardless of Flum's alignment. Is he banking on it not taking off?

Why is it irrational, are you sure Fluminator is town? Why do you seem to assume if I am scum Fluminator must be scum also?

[Fluminator]

Do you think my case on you was scummy bozo?

[bozotheclown]

Bozo finally coming alive. Interesting.

Can you answer this N2 question from Nephthys is a more specific way?

I heavily scumread HB until he obvtowned.

Then why post you “wouldn’t switch cause it would tie”

Shouldn’t it more have been
“HB on Townes and I scumread Brain?”

Obvtowned

[ghug]

Calling what bozo's doing reactive is a little questionable. People have been scumreading him all game, and he did question Flum first, as he notes.

It is decidedly weird though. If he's town he's irrationally deep in a tunnel. If he's scum, I'm not sure why he sells out on Flum like this regardless of Flum's alignment. Is he banking on it not taking off?

Why is it irrational, are you sure Fluminator is town? Why do you seem to assume if I am scum Fluminator must be scum also?

I'm not sure Flum is town. I'm sure that the arguments you're making amount to:
"This is Flum. See Flum run. Scum Flum would run because America excels in Olympic track and field."
"This is Flum. Flum won't run. Scum don't run."
"I had toast for breakfast this morning. I didn't have pancakes because I don't want to support the Canadian maple syrup cabal. Flum is scum."

Flum could say anything and you'd construct a scum narrative.

[aarodactyl]

We can vote out Jamie any time, we should try to get another scum today.

Why? I really don’t get the reasoning behind this.

We would get more information earlier.

We get less info later though

[bozotheclown]

Do you think my case on you was scummy bozo?

I think you made factually incorrect statements that supported your case, and you twice avoiding answering why you did not vote for either bo_sox or BunnyGo at the time you stated they were scum D1, instead keeping your vote on aarodactyl, while claiming I ignored a post you made about them over 24 hours later.

[Fluminator]

Bozo finally coming alive. Interesting.

Can you answer this N2 question from Nephthys is a more specific way?

Then why post you “wouldn’t switch cause it would tie”

Shouldn’t it more have been
“HB on Townes and I scumread Brain?”

Obvtowned

Brain was town flailing, and the two main pushers of the wagon *cough HR and ghug cough* were really scummy near the end. The amount of times I've see scum start pretending to look for the partners of a person about to flip in a few minutes is a lot. (Only to be "shocked" when they flip town)
It gives them a lot of excuses to stay on a miskill wagon and look townie while doing it, without actually doing anything townie.

I didn't answer Neph because I felt like being patronizing to him because he came out of nowhere pretending to be hot stuff lol.

[ghug]

Bozo finally coming alive. Interesting.

Can you answer this N2 question from Nephthys is a more specific way?

Obvtowned

Brain was town flailing, and the two main pushers of the wagon *cough HR and ghug cough* were really scummy near the end. The amount of times I've see scum start pretending to look for the partners of a person about to flip in a few minutes is a lot. (Only to be "shocked" when they flip town)
It gives them a lot of excuses to stay on a miskill wagon and look townie while doing it, without actually doing anything townie.

I didn't answer Neph because I felt like being patronizing to him because he came out of nowhere pretending to be hot stuff lol.

Was I lining up teammates?

[bozotheclown]

Calling what bozo's doing reactive is a little questionable. People have been scumreading him all game, and he did question Flum first, as he notes.

It is decidedly weird though. If he's town he's irrationally deep in a tunnel. If he's scum, I'm not sure why he sells out on Flum like this regardless of Flum's alignment. Is he banking on it not taking off?

Why is it irrational, are you sure Fluminator is town? Why do you seem to assume if I am scum Fluminator must be scum also?

I'm not sure Flum is town. I'm sure that the arguments you're making amount to:
"This is Flum. See Flum run. Scum Flum would run because America excels in Olympic track and field."
"This is Flum. Flum won't run. Scum don't run."
"I had toast for breakfast this morning. I didn't have pancakes because I don't want to support the Canadian maple syrup cabal. Flum is scum."

Flum could say anything and you'd construct a scum narrative.

I disagree, I pointed to a few very specific things I thought looked scum indicative:

1. Fluminator called out confirmed scum D1 but did not vote for them.

2. Fluminator's vote for teacon looks like a bus because there were six 2 vote wagons to choose from and he voted off all wagons.

3. Fluminator asked Vecna to expand on his town read of teacon while teacon was at risk of getting DKed by a wagon Fluminator started.

4. Fluminator scum read Hamilton and brainbomb D2 up until EOD, then call it town vs. town when it was too late.

5. Fluminator contradicted himself on how strongly he town read Hamilton at D2 EOD, avoided Nephthys questioning him on the contradiction, and turned it around to scum read Nephthys.

[Fluminator]

Do you think my case on you was scummy bozo?

I think you made factually incorrect statements that supported your case, and you twice avoiding answering why you did not vote for either bo_sox or BunnyGo at the time you stated they were scum D1, instead keeping your vote on aarodactyl, while claiming I ignored a post you made about them over 24 hours later.

Why do you care about early d1 votes during the joke/shitposting stage?
I would have understood you being suspicious of me not voting them when it mattered. But the fact you focused on asking why I didn't vote for them when it didn't matter is what made me suspicious.

[Fluminator]

Can you answer this N2 question from Nephthys is a more specific way?

Brain was town flailing, and the two main pushers of the wagon *cough HR and ghug cough* were really scummy near the end. The amount of times I've see scum start pretending to look for the partners of a person about to flip in a few minutes is a lot. (Only to be "shocked" when they flip town)
It gives them a lot of excuses to stay on a miskill wagon and look townie while doing it, without actually doing anything townie.

I didn't answer Neph because I felt like being patronizing to him because he came out of nowhere pretending to be hot stuff lol.

Was I lining up teammates?

HR was, I remember you being super confident too.

[ghug]

Do you think my case on you was scummy bozo?

I think you made factually incorrect statements that supported your case, and you twice avoiding answering why you did not vote for either bo_sox or BunnyGo at the time you stated they were scum D1, instead keeping your vote on aarodactyl, while claiming I ignored a post you made about them over 24 hours later.

Why do you care about early d1 votes during the joke/shitposting stage?
I would have understood you being suspicious of me not voting them when it mattered. But the fact you focused on asking why I didn't vote for them when it didn't matter is what made me suspicious.

Flum, do you remember when I claimed scum D1 and town bozo tunneled me for days as I went to against scum and won repeatedly until he finally managed to get me killed?

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Brain was town flailing, and the two main pushers of the wagon *cough HR and ghug cough* were really scummy near the end. The amount of times I've see scum start pretending to look for the partners of a person about to flip in a few minutes is a lot. (Only to be "shocked" when they flip town)
It gives them a lot of excuses to stay on a miskill wagon and look townie while doing it, without actually doing anything townie.

I didn't answer Neph because I felt like being patronizing to him because he came out of nowhere pretending to be hot stuff lol.

Was I lining up teammates?

HR was, I remember you being super confident too.

I felt really good about it until he posted reads, yeah.

[Fluminator]

Do you think my case on you was scummy bozo?

I think you made factually incorrect statements that supported your case, and you twice avoiding answering why you did not vote for either bo_sox or BunnyGo at the time you stated they were scum D1, instead keeping your vote on aarodactyl, while claiming I ignored a post you made about them over 24 hours later.

Why do you care about early d1 votes during the joke/shitposting stage?
I would have understood you being suspicious of me not voting them when it mattered. But the fact you focused on asking why I didn't vote for them when it didn't matter is what made me suspicious.

(suspicious because I think town bozo would have seen the former and focused on that, not the latter)

[bozotheclown]

Bozo finally coming alive. Interesting.

Can you answer this N2 question from Nephthys is a more specific way?

Obvtowned

Brain was town flailing, and the two main pushers of the wagon *cough HR and ghug cough* were really scummy near the end. The amount of times I've see scum start pretending to look for the partners of a person about to flip in a few minutes is a lot. (Only to be "shocked" when they flip town)
It gives them a lot of excuses to stay on a miskill wagon and look townie while doing it, without actually doing anything townie.

I didn't answer Neph because I felt like being patronizing to him because he came out of nowhere pretending to be hot stuff lol.

That still does not answer the question Nephthys asked. He did not ask you why you concluded both brainbomb and Hamilton were town, he asked why you said near EOD that you would not switch your vote back to Hamilton because it would cause a tie. Saying it that way implies you would switch your vote back if it would not cause a tie. Was that the case?