MAFIA XXXVI: ODDJOB'S REVENGE

[Foxcastle]

Ah, I see now. Yeah, I was reading Tham's iso and didn't have full context.

[Foxcastle]

I think the NK will be TrPrado. Ezio is scum, DrCJG and Snowy might be—or Snowy's not and they won't NK a leading wagon, so that it can be another Town v Town day with me—they need Jamiet to push Snowy and Rdrivera to push me, and Yavuz is safe so can take Town down in a modkill. Yeah, that leaves just TrPrado (and they'll want to get rid of him before his suspicions of Ezio come to the surface). (Unless Jamiet is the NK, which fits with Snowy being scum; or maybe not, since it would be pretty dumb to NK the townie with the strongest scumread of actual scum; anyway, too much WIFOM to unpack, so Jamiet is probably safe...)

[Jamiet99uk]

If I die, I would strongly advise tomorrow is Foxcastle vs Snowy. I think those two could be our final scum pairing.

Snowy is not a townclear and you should stop treating him like one.

Go back and look at my arguments against him - which are not just to do with lurking.

[Tom Bombadil]

NIGHT HAS ENDED. PLEASE HOLD

[Tom Bombadil]

I'm still on vacation!

Jamiet99uk has DIED. He was Fransisco Scaramanga, a VANILLA TOWN

DAY 8 HAS BEGUN. YOU MAY NOW POST

[Foxcastle]

##VOTE Foxcastle

##END

Let's get this over with. When I'm dead and you know I'm town, look to Ezio, DrCJG, and Snowy.

If we end hammer votes, we can forestall Yavuz's modkill.

[Foxcastle]

For consideration...

DAY 1:

bozotheclown (9): DrCJG, teacher2, snowy801, dargorygel, xorxes, RagingIke297, reedeer1 (foxcastle), Jamiet99uk, peterlund
RagingIke 297 (5): Balki Bartokomous, ghug, thamrick, rdrivera2005, bozotheclown
TrPrado (1): Telamor
Telamor (1): Stressedlines
Jamiet99uk (1): TrPrado
Ghug (1): Chaqa (bo)
No-Lynch (1): yavuzovic
Teacher2 (1): Ezio
Snowy801 (1): DemonRHK

DAY 2:

Stressedlines (6): Telamor, Balki Bartokomous, thamrick, ghug, snowy801, Jamiet99uk
Snowy801 (5): DemonRHK, dargorygel, Stressedlines, teacher2, yavuzovic
Jamiet99uk (3): TrPrado, rdrivera2005, peterlund
Telamor (2): Ezio, RagingIke297
Yavuzovic (1): DrCJG

DAY 3:

Telamor (9): ghug, dargorygel, RagingIke297, TrPrado, Foxcastle, Ezio, Balki Bartokomous, thamrick, bo_sox48
Snowy801 (6): DemonRHK, DrCJG, Jamiet99uk, peterlund, rdrivera2005, yavuzovic
RagingIke297 (1): Telamor
Foxcastle (1): snowy801

DAY 4:

Balki Bartokomous (7): Foxcastle, thamrick, peterlund, snowy801, TrPrado, yavuzovic, Ezio
Ezio (5): dargorygel, bo_sox48, Jamiet99uk, DrCJG, Balki Bartokomous
Thamrick (1): rdrivera2005
Snowy801 (1): RagingIke297
peterlund (1): DemonRHK

Days 5, 6, 7 aren't useful here...

[rdrivera2005]

##VOTE Foxcastle

##END

Let's get this over with. When I'm dead and you know I'm town, look to Ezio, DrCJG, and Snowy.

If we end hammer votes, we can forestall Yavuz's modkill.

This is pretty bullshit, if you are town help to find scum. Keeping Yav alive and now playing until lylo is useless.

Why kill Jamiet? Because his reads are too good or too bad? That's the real question.

@Ask GM - Do you have a sub to Yav if needed or he will be modkilled if inactive?

[TrPrado]

##VOTE Foxcastle

##END

Let's get this over with. When I'm dead and you know I'm town, look to Ezio, DrCJG, and Snowy.

If we end hammer votes, we can forestall Yavuz's modkill.

I'm not particularly sure what would motivate anyone to think end hammering on themselves is a good idea, town or scum. One mislynch away from LyLo and with a pair of scum left?

[snowy801]

I can't help but imagine jamiet thrashing in his grave right now, spittles flying in fury
I'm going to ##vote drcjg for now but I'm going to actually read up on the remaining players later so

curious moves from foxy indeed

[DrCJG]

@ Rdr - I have tried to think about why they NK'd Jamie and I am not sure how to determine if it was because Jamie had good reads or bad ones without getting into a WIFOM loop... it is clear Jamie was leading an anti Snowy push, his other reads seemed a little more scattered (while he did indicate today should be between Fox and Snowy it was in the last minute and I assume after the mafia made their decision).

Despite Fox's self-vote, which I don't understand, I don't see what he has done that is more scum indicative than Snowy and Yav (or Jamiet and Ezio for that matter)

@Ezio I have reread your arguments for lynching Fox and they seem to be centered around:
1) Darg never mentioned Fox;
2) Balki's flip town/Fox's push on Balki;
3) Tham's reaction towards Fox after Balki flip; and
4) Fox's arguments have sucked and he is a better player.

I agree that his arguments and votes against Balki were bad, but it didn't jump out at me as clearly scum. I find myself looking at the D3 voting trying to think how scum Fox would have voted... IF Snowy is town (as you claim) then on D3 he moved from scummate Tham to vote Snowy... why switch again to Telamor or why not just move to Telamor to begin with... I thought his decision to tie the Snowy and Telamor wagons to see how further votes would fall seemed town to me.

@TrPrado, you said the "rest of the case against Fox hold up. Except, however, the part where Ezio tries to base it more on meta than he should." ... prior to that I feel like you have only suspected Fox because of his unwillingness to believe that Ike is the doctor. Is there something else you can point to?

[rdrivera2005]

@ Rdr - I have tried to think about why they NK'd Jamie and I am not sure how to determine if it was because Jamie had good reads or bad ones without getting into a WIFOM loop... it is clear Jamie was leading an anti Snowy push, his other reads seemed a little more scattered (while he did indicate today should be between Fox and Snowy it was in the last minute and I assume after the mafia made their decision).

Despite Fox's self-vote, which I don't understand, I don't see what he has done that is more scum indicative than Snowy and Yav (or Jamiet and Ezio for that matter)

@Ezio I have reread your arguments for lynching Fox and they seem to be centered around:
1) Darg never mentioned Fox;
2) Balki's flip town/Fox's push on Balki;
3) Tham's reaction towards Fox after Balki flip; and
4) Fox's arguments have sucked and he is a better player.

I agree that his arguments and votes against Balki were bad, but it didn't jump out at me as clearly scum. I find myself looking at the D3 voting trying to think how scum Fox would have voted... IF Snowy is town (as you claim) then on D3 he moved from scummate Tham to vote Snowy... why switch again to Telamor or why not just move to Telamor to begin with... I thought his decision to tie the Snowy and Telamor wagons to see how further votes would fall seemed town to me.

@TrPrado, you said the "rest of the case against Fox hold up. Except, however, the part where Ezio tries to base it more on meta than he should." ... prior to that I feel like you have only suspected Fox because of his unwillingness to believe that Ike is the doctor. Is there something else you can point to?

I disagree with you about Fox D3 actions. If he was scum, he bussed Tham, alongside Bo. But scum didn't want to really buss his Hooker, so he try to kill Tham wagon pushing a tie between Snowy and Telamor. He openly said he want to consolidate between Snowy and Telamor. Of course he could be bussing scum Snowy instead of Hooker, but either his behavior is exactly what I would have done as scum. Bo then voted Prado and Thamrick wagon was gone. Bo even get back on Tham later, which indicates me he was happy with any outcome between Snowy and Telamor.

[DrCJG]

@rdr - I appreciate your perspective on Fox D3... and I can see better where you are coming from... while it seems foolish for two scum to be bussing their hooker on D3 to me... I can see how his move to snowy could have been causing a tie to kill the Tham wagon.

As for your analysis of Bo D3... I see it differently... Bo did vote Telamor in the end when snowy was in jeopardy... I could see him bussing Snowy so that if he did flip scum he would look alright but still putting in the last second vote to try and save Snowy

[snowy801]

drcjg, what is it about yav and my actions which strike you as scum indicative and what is your impression of foxy's own which in your eyes makes it lesser than ours?

[Ezio]

Ok. Everybody needs to give their explanation of the night kill. Why did they kill Jamie? I particularly want to hear from RD, fox, and Yav.

[rdrivera2005]

Considering the way the thread is dead without Jamiet maybe that's why he was the NK.

I made a big analisys post and no one but DrCJG discussed it a bit. People are not answering questions, not even the GM.

What's your opinion on Jamiet's death Ezio?

Also, what do you think ok for DRCJG defense of Fox?

[Foxcastle]

Yeah, I agree that it looks like they wanted to kill the player who was mainly pushing the game.

[Tom Bombadil]

@Ask GM - Do you have a sub to Yav if needed or he will be modkilled if inactive?

I do not currently have a sub. He would be modkilled if he does not vote.

[Foxcastle]

@Ask GM - Do you have a sub to Yav if needed or he will be modkilled if inactive?

I do not currently have a sub. He would be modkilled if he does not vote.

##call GM: if we end hammer near EOD and Yavuz hasn't voted, will he still be modkilled?

[Tom Bombadil]

In the event of an endhammer no modkills happen. A modkill only happens if a player does not meet requirements in a full day phase.