M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[aarodactyl]

non-yoyo stuff removed

I have some questions here:

-How on earth can you possibly have a read on Yoyo? Especially one that is a higher townread than everyone else that is not confirmed town.

-Regarding Yoyo, it's all based on the fact that I buy that they're trying to catch up on the game. I can't see anyone that's not town doing this. If they go back to being as inactive as they were in the first few days, they'll probably fall back down to null.

Thanks for your answers. If Yoyo doesnt participate after claiming to read everything, why does that put him back at null? Claiming to read everything and then having no thoughts on it does not really ring like null-behaviour does it?

That's fair. Maybe scumlean then. I believe they read the first part and they did give some impressions. If they go back to inactive, my guess it would be because catching up is too much work. But also I don't know yoyo at all

[Vecna]

1: it was a discussion point because I wanted to see if people would pick up on it and see who they would mention. I think its quite obvious who my main candidate is for the shading with his point.

2: So you think scum would base their NK choice on a comment made by brainbomb? Without discussing it internally and finding their own reasoning? Also, no comment like that was made on Rdrivera, which was undoubtedly killed for similar reasoning.

And the people that are still in this game it applies to besides Bozo are -maybe- Damo and HR. From reading the scum QT lats game, I dont think Damo was involved in PR hunting too much? Ill leave that to you. From what I remember, I dont think Ghug actively hunts for PR's. I would obviously do it, but wouldve known better than to suspect Rdrivera of being a PR. Im not sure if Flum is meta-aware enough on Neph

No I absolutely don't think they decided on the NK based on what brain said without discussing it, but that doesn't mean they didn't consider what he said. My point was that there was talk of Neph being a PR, so them having someone familiar enough with Neph's play to spot those differences isn't necessarily guaranteed.

I'm not sure what Rivera has to do with this. He's been killed first pretty often so it's definitely not undoubtable that he was killed for being suspected of being a PR.

And it's still not obvious to me who you were implying you thought caught Neph as a PR - bozo? You say it could be damo, but you don't think he hunts PRs. It could be HR, but then you didn't follow up on whether you think it was him or not. And you don't think it's ghug or Flum...

Basically I just don't know where you're going with this, but it doesn't seem like scumhunting to me.

Great discussion point!

As a matter of fact it was me that suspected Neph was the Parity Cop. The things which caused me to think this were: First of all the way he was keeping quite a low profile; Secondly the way he really didn't engage at all with Brainbomb calling out how he thought Neph was a PR (aw, Brainbomb, never change); Thirdly, the way he suddenly declared he town-read Maniac "for no reason" during N2, after Maniac had been getting a lot of suspicion. This last point made me suspect Neph was going to include Maniac in his N2 scan.

I'm not actually as terrible at this game as some of you like to think.

Funnily enough I actually believe this

[kgray]

Reads develop. You know this.

Yeah so can you give me a reason why?

I still don't like the look of your D1 voting but now you've stopped tunnelling on me your posts have a that solid towny feel.

I still think you're scummy, I'm just not being as vocal about it

[e.m.c^42]

Does this post make you feel awkward, Damo?

Nope. Townpoints for me.

Just simply, not ready :(

[bozotheclown]

Everyone should post a full reads list so we can calculate a collective list.

Durga
Tom
emc
aarodactyl
HR
ghug
kgray
Maniac
Vecna
Fluminator
celaph
Balki
Yoyoyozo
Chaqa
Bonatogether
damo
Jamie

Why am I so high on your list? What happened to you thinking I saved teacon D1?

I still consider it possible, but you also could have just been unlucky with how your D1 voting looks.

[damo666]

Yeah so can you give me a reason why?

I still don't like the look of your D1 voting but now you've stopped tunnelling on me your posts have a that solid towny feel.

I still think you're scummy, I'm just not being as vocal about it

Fine. Just remember scummy <> scum!

[kgray]

Everyone should post a full reads list so we can calculate a collective list.

Durga
Tom
emc
aarodactyl
HR
ghug
kgray
Maniac
Vecna
Fluminator
celaph
Balki
Yoyoyozo
Chaqa
Bonatogether
damo
Jamie

Why am I so high on your list? What happened to you thinking I saved teacon D1?

I still consider it possible, but you also could have just been unlucky with how your D1 voting looks.

When has bozo ever said anything like this in the history of ever?

[Vecna]

Okay, so take 5 seconds to look at brain's ISO from the beginning of D2 and see for yourself

Oh that. I feel like that was a very legitimate conclusion to make when Neph made that post and then stopped being so when he explained. Why'd you not bring it up earlier if you thought that was why he was killed?

I don't know if that's why he was killed, but Vecna was saying that they NK'd Neph because they figured out he was a PR and was using that to assume scum had to have someone very familiar with Neph's playstyle who also hunts PRs. My point was that there was an obvious discussion in the main thread about it, so even people who don't normally PR hunt or who don't know Neph very well would have noticed talk of Neph being a PR.

Also in general I think overanalyzing the NKs is pretty worthless, and it's a good way for scum to get some wifom arguments into the thread that make it look like they're contributing.

But youre fine with day1 vote analysis

[Fluminator]

Jamiet dishing out townpoints like Oprah dishing out cars.

[kgray]

Everyone should post a full reads list so we can calculate a collective list.

Durga
Tom
emc
aarodactyl
HR
ghug
kgray
Maniac
Vecna
Fluminator
celaph
Balki
Yoyoyozo
Chaqa
Bonatogether
damo
Jamie

Why am I so high on your list? What happened to you thinking I saved teacon D1?

I still consider it possible, but you also could have just been unlucky with how your D1 voting looks.

And yes, of course it's possible. It's always been possible. I'm asking you what changed?

[Fluminator]

I meant why didn't you vote for them at the time you said they were scum, I had read the later post.

Then why didn't you know the answer then?

A post at 14:47 saying you thought BunnyGo and bo_sox/Jamie were active enough not to vote for D1 does not tell me why you did not vote for BunnyGo at 44:23 when you (correctly) declared he was scum, or vote for bo_sox at 41:46 when you (correctly) declared he was scum, while instead you kept your vote on aarodactyl because he was a new player.

The post explaining why you were not voting for 2 scum reads that turned out to be scum is suspicious by itself.

lol tbh that does look a bit suspicious in hindsight.

Still not a satisfying answer to me though. You and Balki can switch places in my list when you're compiling them.

[Bonatogether]

Ok, these reasons are probably going to be seem unfair to you, but here is goes anyways.

1) it's weird to me that you felt comfortable reading out to chaqa to play among us together at the start of the game. My suspicious is that you were in QT with him and that made you feel more comfortable
2) it's also weird to me that you missed EOD twice due to walk. I get missing it once, but getting the time wrong twice in a row seems kind of fishy. Also after you missed the first EOD, you said it was because you were out with your family the whole day. I guess you could have been on a walk with them, but it seems fishy.
3) even if you missed EOD, it's weird you left your vote on unvote before your walk. There's always a risk something could come up and delay you and you wouldn't have a chance to submit a vote.
4) your first read was to read bunny and HR as town and EMC and durga as scum. To be fair, this is probably NAI. But in general, I don't like your reads.
5) I'm weirded out by how much you're tunneling on celaph. I don't really trust them either, but it's odd to me.

Also I don't really

1) That's a fair thought, but among us is among us. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2) If EoD and EoN times varied, this would be a very reasonable complaint. However, taking a walk at the same time isn't that suspicious.

3) Perhaps. I thought I'd had more time.

4) That was *ages* ago - like, page 20 or something. It was prompted by brain saying that experience was all well and good, but beginner's luck was worth it's wait in gold. I was guessing. It's totally NAI.

5) kgray's thought that we don't want to deal with the more experienced players is true, at least for me. Also, celaph is the most scum of us, so off I go.

You have something that you didn't finish at the end; what was it?

[Vecna]

Reads develop. You know this.

Yeah so can you give me a reason why?

I still don't like the look of your D1 voting but now you've stopped tunnelling on me your posts have a that solid towny feel.

im sure it has nothing to do with the others that were voting there are now dead

[bozotheclown]

Why am I so high on your list? What happened to you thinking I saved teacon D1?

I still consider it possible, but you also could have just been unlucky with how your D1 voting looks.

And yes, of course it's possible. It's always been possible. I'm asking you what changed?

There is more information available now.

[celaph]

Everyone should post a full reads list so we can calculate a collective list.

Celaph
Durga
Tom
EMC

aaro
kgray

vecna
ghug
flum
HR

damo
Chaqa
Yoyo
BOZO

balki
bona
Maniac

Jamie

Thank you, but you left me off of your list.

Oh good job by me especially after I called out damo for leaving me off his list.

I feel pretty null about you. Not sure what to make of what you've said. Additionally, possibly more than anyone else, I feel that people are reading you through comparisons to past games which I obviously can't weigh in on.

[kgray]

I still consider it possible, but you also could have just been unlucky with how your D1 voting looks.

And yes, of course it's possible. It's always been possible. I'm asking you what changed?

There is more information available now.

omg bozo, what information?

[e.m.c^42]

I cba to write one large post anymore, since no one reads 'em, so proceed to enjoy some very spread out, non-linear Einstein posts as they appear in my head over next hour and some.

[aarodactyl]

Ok, these reasons are probably going to be seem unfair to you, but here is goes anyways.

1) it's weird to me that you felt comfortable reading out to chaqa to play among us together at the start of the game. My suspicious is that you were in QT with him and that made you feel more comfortable
2) it's also weird to me that you missed EOD twice due to walk. I get missing it once, but getting the time wrong twice in a row seems kind of fishy. Also after you missed the first EOD, you said it was because you were out with your family the whole day. I guess you could have been on a walk with them, but it seems fishy.
3) even if you missed EOD, it's weird you left your vote on unvote before your walk. There's always a risk something could come up and delay you and you wouldn't have a chance to submit a vote.
4) your first read was to read bunny and HR as town and EMC and durga as scum. To be fair, this is probably NAI. But in general, I don't like your reads.
5) I'm weirded out by how much you're tunneling on celaph. I don't really trust them either, but it's odd to me.

Also I don't really

1) That's a fair thought, but among us is among us. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2) If EoD and EoN times varied, this would be a very reasonable complaint. However, taking a walk at the same time isn't that suspicious.

3) Perhaps. I thought I'd had more time.

4) That was *ages* ago - like, page 20 or something. It was prompted by brain saying that experience was all well and good, but beginner's luck was worth it's wait in gold. I was guessing. It's totally NAI.

5) kgray's thought that we don't want to deal with the more experienced players is true, at least for me. Also, celaph is the most scum of us, so off I go.

You have something that you didn't finish at the end; what was it?

I changed the organization of my post and left that fragment there by accident. Whatever I was going to stay ended up on one the bullets.

[bozotheclown]

And yes, of course it's possible. It's always been possible. I'm asking you what changed?

There is more information available now.

omg bozo, what information?

Here is something I considered on N1:

It is possible kgray was distancing from teacon, then moved off of teacon after teacon became the lead wagon when Vecna gave her the opportunity. Hamilton's EOD vote could have been a cross post with kgray as they both voted to save teacon.

In this scenario, I would go with teacon, kgray, Hamilton, damo, emc, and aarodactyl as my top scum suspects.

Since then, there have over 200 pages of information, as well as a number of alignment reveals. My suspicion of you was based on teacon being scum, which turned out to be true, but even so there is a lot more to consider now.

[ghug]

Did you forget about the conversation we had D2 where I pointed out that aaro wasn't voting for ND at a time when teacon was in danger?

No, I remember that, but I think scum are less likely to jump on a wagon to save a teammate if there are already scum on it, so being there at all somewhat increases odds of being scum.

This makes no sense to me. If aaro is scum and was already on ND's wagon then by your assumption, that would make it less likely for scum!Jamie to join that wagon. Yet we know he did. I don't get your point.

Each scum on the wagon makes it less likely another jumps on. Is that really that controversial?

It was tied ND/teacon with four minutes left in the day, before you and Hamilton jumped on.

I see a couple possibilities from that point:
- Scum jumps on ND. Hamilton's dead town, so that means you. This concerns me, especially in light of your wagon being countered by town the next day, but you're also acting townie as fuck, so I don't think it's the most likely
- Scum doesn't jump on ND because they're already well-represented on the ND wagon. See Jamie. Potentially also implicates me and aaro as well.
- Scum doesn't jump on ND because they think ND will win on his own. This seems unlikely if you're town, since you'd been on teacon previously.
- Scum doesn't jump on ND because they're happy with their teacon bus. This implicates Flum and HR, though I think probably not both. Maybe Chaqa too.
- Scum doesn't jump on ND because they're not around. This implicates people off of main wagons.
- Scum doesn't jump on ND because they think they'll look bad. This and the last one would be the Balki reason, I think. People on the Maniac wagon might fall in here as well, as would anyone who'd heavily townread ND.

There's probably some combination of these reasons since there are six scum, but I think you're going to be unlikely to find scum who didn't behave in one of these ways at EoD.