M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[ghug]

Reads List:

HR
Durga
EMC
Tom

ghug
Aaro
Yoyo
damo

Vecna
Maniac
Celaph
kgray
Chaqa
Balki
Bozo

Bona

Flum
Jamie

Why is emc above Tom?

Because a part of me hopes that Vash just said that to troll the scumteam when he asked to sub out

Wouldn't that still make him town?

You were scumreading emc so strongly and now you're not. Pretty sus if you ask me.

[Vecna]

Bozo, do you want one from me? I've the gut read one, the wifom one, and the formulaic one, lol.

Can you release as many of your reads as you can? I'm pretty sure scum is going to assassinate durga and NK you tonight.

I have a feeling Durga is going to survive the night

[Hellenic Riot]

Why is emc above Tom?

Because a part of me hopes that Vash just said that to troll the scumteam when he asked to sub out

Wouldn't that still make him town?

You were scumreading emc so strongly and now you're not. Pretty sus if you ask me.

You got me

[bozotheclown]

Town
Durga
Tom
EMC
Flum
HR
Balki
Maniac
kgray

------- line of uncertainty -------
everyone else

Jamiet
Scum

everyone above the line is town as far as I can tell.

Can you make a list that includes everyone?

It would literally be the same list with the other people in place of "everyone else" in an arbitrary order.

OK, I will consider everyone in that group tied for the purpose of my averages.

[ghug]

Bozo, do you want one from me? I've the gut read one, the wifom one, and the formulaic one, lol.

Can you release as many of your reads as you can? I'm pretty sure scum is going to assassinate durga and NK you tonight.

I have a feeling Durga is going to survive the night

Scum should NK Vecna cause he's softing a protective role.

[Jamiet99uk]

Are you having problems getting QuickTopic to work?

This kinda townclears Flum imo

Townclearing people off the way they're interacting with Jamie during a night phase is pretty wack

Dammit HR, I told you not to point that out.

[kgray]

As per Bozo request

Damo
Durga
Tom
EMC
Ghug
Bozo
Kgray
Aaro
HR
Vecna
Chaqa
Yoyo
Maniac
Bona
Flum
Balki
Jamie

Also you, why aren't you scumreading me anymore?

Reads develop. You know this.

Yeah so can you give me a reason why?

[damo666]

Are you having problems getting QuickTopic to work?

This kinda townclears Flum imo

Townclearing people off the way they're interacting with Jamie during a night phase is pretty wack

I think it is unlikely Jamie would make this joke to a scummate. Townpoints rather than townclear.

I think interactions with confscum Jamie could be quite revealing. I think his scummates would find it awkward.

[kgray]

The point you and Flum are making on my aaro post is probably a fair one. I tend to keep a ton of information in my head in these games, and the size both in posts and players makes it difficult. I'm also not gonna flip a read cause I like one post though.

What about my "compelling" argument that the way he was talking when Durga was about to reveal scum was unafraid and excited and towny? Does that make you reconsider your read?

It's a point in his favor for sure. I think it's that case where we're more likely to townread a new player for competence though, so at best I think I'd swap him with the empty line above him in my reads

It has nothing to do with competence and everything to do with being excited rather than scared.

[Durga]

Can you release as many of your reads as you can? I'm pretty sure scum is going to assassinate durga and NK you tonight.

I have a feeling Durga is going to survive the night

Scum should NK Vecna cause he's softing a protective role.

Tf?

[Vecna]

Removed reads that weren't mentioned

Probably Town
Yoyo
bozo

Town Lean
Celaph

Maybe Scum???
Vecna

I have some questions here:
-After you just question people for having Bozo unreasonably high on their reads list without reasons, why do you similarly place bozo at the top?
-How on earth can you possibly have a read on Yoyo? Especially one that is a higher townread than everyone else that is not confirmed town.
-Why do you feel Bona is more scummy than Celaph? How do you feel about their continuous interactions?
-If you feel im either lucky town, or scum that listed their partners D1, how do you intent to follow up on that?

-Regarding bozo, when I questioned people, they were neutral on my list. People were talking about them as if they were obvtown and I was curious where that came from. Even though the posts were pretty close to each other, there was a three hour gap between them. During that time, I reread almost everyone in the game. I forget exactly why I thought they were town, since my only note is "lol 1466". If you'd like, I could look back and try to retrace my steps. But if they're in that category, it means I liked their reads and contributions and also their voting.
-Regarding Yoyo, it's all based on the fact that I buy that they're trying to catch up on the game. I can't see anyone that's not town doing this. If they go back to being as inactive as they were in the first few days, they'll probably fall back down to null.
-Bona asked me why I scumread them, and I wrote a post explaining that already. Also now that I think about it more, I should have only used the QT thing to sus bunny and not celaph as well. I don't really like all the interactions. However, part of that is that they're both new and as another new person, it's easier to keep track of the other new players rather than the huge number of experienced players. I think a lot celaph's comments regarding bona were in response to bona constantly scumreading them, so I'm putting a lot of the weirdness on Bona.
-I don't know to be honest. It's a good question though, but I'll have to think more about it. I think I put you closer to the scum side than I should have, but I'll trust my instincts from yesterday for now (especially since we don't have a meaningful vote coming for a while).

Thanks for your answers. If Yoyo doesnt participate after claiming to read everything, why does that put him back at null? Claiming to read everything and then having no thoughts on it does not really ring like null-behaviour does it?

[damo666]

This kinda townclears Flum imo

Townclearing people off the way they're interacting with Jamie during a night phase is pretty wack

Dammit HR, I told you not to point that out.

and townpoints for HR!

[kgray]

I didn't say there were necessarily multiple scum on each. Just that there were more somewhere on the two of them.

It's a reason I'm less confident on aaro than you. It's also a reason to suspect damo and celaph. It's also a reason to doubt me and kgray, though I won't be voting for either of us anytime soon.

Did you forget about the conversation we had D2 where I pointed out that aaro wasn't voting for ND at a time when teacon was in danger?

No, I remember that, but I think scum are less likely to jump on a wagon to save a teammate if there are already scum on it, so being there at all somewhat increases odds of being scum.

This makes no sense to me. If aaro is scum and was already on ND's wagon then by your assumption, that would make it less likely for scum!Jamie to join that wagon. Yet we know he did. I don't get your point.

[ghug]

What about my "compelling" argument that the way he was talking when Durga was about to reveal scum was unafraid and excited and towny? Does that make you reconsider your read?

It's a point in his favor for sure. I think it's that case where we're more likely to townread a new player for competence though, so at best I think I'd swap him with the empty line above him in my reads

It has nothing to do with competence and everything to do with being excited rather than scared.

I get the argument. It's a good reason to townread him for it.I think some people are inherently good at faking that sort of thing, and I think it's quite possible he's one of them, so I'm not gonna clear him for it.

[Jamiet99uk]

This kinda townclears Flum imo

Townclearing people off the way they're interacting with Jamie during a night phase is pretty wack

I think it is unlikely Jamie would make this joke to a scummate. Townpoints rather than townclear.

I think interactions with confscum Jamie could be quite revealing. I think his scummates would find it awkward.

Does this post make you feel awkward, Damo?

[damo666]

Also you, why aren't you scumreading me anymore?

Reads develop. You know this.

Yeah so can you give me a reason why?

I still don't like the look of your D1 voting but now you've stopped tunnelling on me your posts have a that solid towny feel.

[bozotheclown]

I meant why didn't you vote for them at the time you said they were scum, I had read the later post.

Then why didn't you know the answer then?

A post at 14:47 saying you thought BunnyGo and bo_sox/Jamie were active enough not to vote for D1 does not tell me why you did not vote for BunnyGo at 44:23 when you (correctly) declared he was scum, or vote for bo_sox at 41:46 when you (correctly) declared he was scum, while instead you kept your vote on aarodactyl because he was a new player.

The post explaining why you were not voting for 2 scum reads that turned out to be scum is suspicious by itself.

[damo666]

Townclearing people off the way they're interacting with Jamie during a night phase is pretty wack

I think it is unlikely Jamie would make this joke to a scummate. Townpoints rather than townclear.

I think interactions with confscum Jamie could be quite revealing. I think his scummates would find it awkward.

Does this post make you feel awkward, Damo?

Nope. Townpoints for me.

[e.m.c^42]

Townclearing people off the way they're interacting with Jamie during a night phase is pretty wack

I think it is unlikely Jamie would make this joke to a scummate. Townpoints rather than townclear.

I think interactions with confscum Jamie could be quite revealing. I think his scummates would find it awkward.

Does this post make you feel awkward, Damo?

Jamie! How mean, putting Damo on the spot like that, he's just not ready for it yet.

[kgray]

It's a point in his favor for sure. I think it's that case where we're more likely to townread a new player for competence though, so at best I think I'd swap him with the empty line above him in my reads

It has nothing to do with competence and everything to do with being excited rather than scared.

I get the argument. It's a good reason to townread him for it.I think some people are inherently good at faking that sort of thing, and I think it's quite possible he's one of them, so I'm not gonna clear him for it.

K well I think you finding the teacon/Jamie/bozo interaction a better reason to list someone as your top townread than my point about aaro is pretty lame.