M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[damo666]

@bozo you gonna aggregate these lists somehow?

yes

method?

[bozotheclown]

Why is HR such a strong townread?

A few things, but the sequence after Durga's claim made it seem he is likely town. I doubt he would fake the part about multiple scum visiting for a kill.

sorry, what do you mean with multiple scum visiting for a kill?

The only way I can see for a tracker to catch multiple scum members is if she tracked the Smuggler & knows they're scum because they performed the kill as well. But unless she was sitting on a guilty for the entirety of D2, I don't see how she can have caught three...

If they were dumb enough to let their roleblocker/blackmailer/smuggler do an action and a kill to begin with

Still pretty sure she's just meme'ing

To be fair, in tracker setups it's usual to have all scum members visit the kill (or at the very least a majority of them) - But watcher reports to only see the oldest visit.

##CALL GM Is that the case in this setup?

[bozotheclown]

This is not an answer

If I knew the answer I would know your alignment.

And you havent taken the steps to try and get yourself an answer....why?

I reject the premise of your question.

[bozotheclown]

Bozo, when you were reading through day 1 and pulling stuff, can you tell me how you went about doing that?
Did you start reading the thread again?
Did you use the search function in people's ISO?

How do you conduct your search?

I was rereading the confirmed scum.

[Fluminator]

Then how did you find my posts?

[Fluminator]

this is pro town, but more just courteous in general. The only way this is a scum gimmick is if you think you needed to alert one of your new buddies to get with the program. I doubt this is the case.

Remoulade!

laissez bon temps rouler!

and yea, bunny is town

lol, bunny is scum again.

bosox is scum

Why didn't you vote for bo_sox or BunnyGo?

Why didn't you vote for bo_sox or BunnyGo?

Probably because I had a stronger scumread on Teacon.

You had not mentioned teacon yet at the times of these posts.

I found these posts suspicious, because I'd expect town bozo to look at my posting to see if there was a reason before asking because it would be incredibly easy to check. I intentionally gave you a wrong answer to see if you'd catch it.

Work will be busy tomorrow.

Bunny and Bo (Jamiet) were early scumreads, but they're active enough I don't think they're worth daykilling day 1.

##Vote Hamilton Brian

This is very soon after.
I think town Bozo would have seen that before asking that question.

This looks more like scum bozo pretending to look busy without genuinely caring about his questions.

[aarodactyl]

I snipped out the reads that weren't relevant to the question

Probably Town
Balki


Seems Scummy to Me
HR
Bona

I get not having solid reasons, but could you explain a bit about your HR/damo scumreads? Why do you think each of them is scummy and do you think they're scum together?

Also I'm very interesting in your Balki read. Why is he probably town to you?

First of all, keep in mind that I'm incredibly new at making reads like this. I don't think I'm wrong, but there's definitely things that I haven't considered (for example, I didn't reread jamie, teacon, or bunny before making the list. I'll probably do that this morning).

HR: When I started making the list, I wrote down a summary for myself and then forgot to do it for almost everyone. However, it looks like I wrote "so many bad/incorrect takes". I'm looking back, and they started the game by making digs at damo and bunny. They then small talk, take a break from small talking to scumread ND and then go back to small talking. They then focus in on examining EMC and then settle on teacon while saying they're still down to get EMC out. They have a lot of EON1 takes that I don't really agree with. They scum read me a lot (which is fair considering my early play), but in terms of actually talking to new players, they only ever seem to reach out to Bona and not Celaph or me when they ask question. It's also weird to me that I'm their top scumread on day 3.

Damo: I did some math and it said Damo's math was sus. More seriously though, when I reread their posts, my impression is that they're talking a lot but not contributing very much. Also, I get making a math mistake, but they tripled down on it being both correct and relevant. They also voted maniac day 1 and kgray day 2 which means they weren't on a viable train on either day.

Balki: Before anyone looks back and says I scumread them earlier, that was because of their last minute change to teacon day 1. I think you mentioned that this isn't scum-indicative because late swings happen, and I agree now after seeing the brain wagon day 2. I'm now considering the switch to be a town move. I think they're putting in a serious effort to discuss alignment. In general, I feel like they're being pretty helpful. the comment about not advocating for the hammer so we could take our time to do rereads also seems town to me.

[bozotheclown]

Everyone should post a full reads list so we can calculate a collective list.

Celaph
Durga
Tom
EMC

aaro
kgray

vecna
ghug
flum
HR

damo
Chaqa
Yoyo

balki
bona
Maniac

Jamie

Thank you, but you left me off of your list.

[bozotheclown]

Town
Durga
Tom
EMC
Flum
HR
Balki
Maniac
kgray

------- line of uncertainty -------
everyone else

Jamiet
Scum

everyone above the line is town as far as I can tell.

Can you make a list that includes everyone?

[damo666]

Everyone should post a full reads list so we can calculate a collective list.

Celaph
Durga
Tom
EMC

aaro
kgray

vecna
ghug
flum
HR

damo
Chaqa
Yoyo

balki
bona
Maniac

Jamie

Thank you, but you left me off of your list.

O celaph! How could you possibly omit someone from your list! Sweet sweet irony.

[aarodactyl]

Removed reads that weren't mentioned

Probably Town
Yoyo
bozo

Town Lean
Celaph

Maybe Scum???
Vecna

I have some questions here:
-After you just question people for having Bozo unreasonably high on their reads list without reasons, why do you similarly place bozo at the top?
-How on earth can you possibly have a read on Yoyo? Especially one that is a higher townread than everyone else that is not confirmed town.
-Why do you feel Bona is more scummy than Celaph? How do you feel about their continuous interactions?
-If you feel im either lucky town, or scum that listed their partners D1, how do you intent to follow up on that?

-Regarding bozo, when I questioned people, they were neutral on my list. People were talking about them as if they were obvtown and I was curious where that came from. Even though the posts were pretty close to each other, there was a three hour gap between them. During that time, I reread almost everyone in the game. I forget exactly why I thought they were town, since my only note is "lol 1466". If you'd like, I could look back and try to retrace my steps. But if they're in that category, it means I liked their reads and contributions and also their voting.
-Regarding Yoyo, it's all based on the fact that I buy that they're trying to catch up on the game. I can't see anyone that's not town doing this. If they go back to being as inactive as they were in the first few days, they'll probably fall back down to null.
-Bona asked me why I scumread them, and I wrote a post explaining that already. Also now that I think about it more, I should have only used the QT thing to sus bunny and not celaph as well. I don't really like all the interactions. However, part of that is that they're both new and as another new person, it's easier to keep track of the other new players rather than the huge number of experienced players. I think a lot celaph's comments regarding bona were in response to bona constantly scumreading them, so I'm putting a lot of the weirdness on Bona.
-I don't know to be honest. It's a good question though, but I'll have to think more about it. I think I put you closer to the scum side than I should have, but I'll trust my instincts from yesterday for now (especially since we don't have a meaningful vote coming for a while).

[Chaqa]

Why are flum and HR more clearly town than I am? Why are Maniac and Balki?

Durga/Tom townclears.
EMC 99.9% townclear IMO

Flum, HR, Balki are the other teacon voters D1.

Maniac town through VCA I explained earlier.

Kgray just a solid townread.

Not super sure on anyone else yet.

And why couldnt scum be voting teacon? Bunny was

That was surprising. I just don't think they'd risk it in large numbers. Doubt there's more scum on that wagon.

[Durga]

I take it back, Maniac is likely scum. His posts are just too shitty, and not in a townie way. They probably look worse if you go back and read them with the flips now. Especially his vote on me.

[e.m.c^42]

Bozo, do you want one from me? I've the gut read one, the wifom one, and the formulaic one, lol.

[aarodactyl]

Bozo, do you want one from me? I've the gut read one, the wifom one, and the formulaic one, lol.

Can you release as many of your reads as you can? I'm pretty sure scum is going to assassinate durga and NK you tonight.

[Hellenic Riot]

I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing that looks scum so I can improve in future games. Perhaps I should wait till after the game to ask, and it's probably just my voting patterns, but I'd like to know.

I gave you a pretty detailed response last night. Did you see it?

I did, but I want to know HR's reasons.

My reasons for what? Your question was directed at Aaro, not me

[aarodactyl]

I gave you a pretty detailed response last night. Did you see it?

I did, but I want to know HR's reasons.

My reasons for what? Your question was directed at Aaro, not me

I think that was pretty clear to me. You thought their question was weird, not that they were scum.

Also @bona: can you give a response to my answer to you? I took me a while to type up.

[Hellenic Riot]

I snipped out the reads that weren't relevant to the question

Probably Town
Balki


Seems Scummy to Me
HR
Bona

I get not having solid reasons, but could you explain a bit about your HR/damo scumreads? Why do you think each of them is scummy and do you think they're scum together?

Also I'm very interesting in your Balki read. Why is he probably town to you?

First of all, keep in mind that I'm incredibly new at making reads like this. I don't think I'm wrong, but there's definitely things that I haven't considered (for example, I didn't reread jamie, teacon, or bunny before making the list. I'll probably do that this morning).

HR: When I started making the list, I wrote down a summary for myself and then forgot to do it for almost everyone. However, it looks like I wrote "so many bad/incorrect takes". I'm looking back, and they started the game by making digs at damo and bunny. They then small talk, take a break from small talking to scumread ND and then go back to small talking. They then focus in on examining EMC and then settle on teacon while saying they're still down to get EMC out. They have a lot of EON1 takes that I don't really agree with. They scum read me a lot (which is fair considering my early play), but in terms of actually talking to new players, they only ever seem to reach out to Bona and not Celaph or me when they ask question. It's also weird to me that I'm their top scumread on day 3.

Damo: I did some math and it said Damo's math was sus. More seriously though, when I reread their posts, my impression is that they're talking a lot but not contributing very much. Also, I get making a math mistake, but they tripled down on it being both correct and relevant. They also voted maniac day 1 and kgray day 2 which means they weren't on a viable train on either day.

Balki: Before anyone looks back and says I scumread them earlier, that was because of their last minute change to teacon day 1. I think you mentioned that this isn't scum-indicative because late swings happen, and I agree now after seeing the brain wagon day 2. I'm now considering the switch to be a town move. I think they're putting in a serious effort to discuss alignment. In general, I feel like they're being pretty helpful. the comment about not advocating for the hammer so we could take our time to do rereads also seems town to me.

When on earth have I said you're my top scumread?

I've called out Bona more than you or Celaph because Bona has made more posts that have been worth calling out. Given you opened that read by pointing out that I've called non-newbies out too, I don't know why you expect me to be calling you or Celaph out in particular.

[bozotheclown]

Then how did you find my posts?

Which posts?

[Hellenic Riot]

I did, but I want to know HR's reasons.

My reasons for what? Your question was directed at Aaro, not me

I think that was pretty clear to me. You thought their question was weird, not that they were scum.

Also @bona: can you give a response to my answer to you? I took me a while to type up.

Yes, so I don't understand what reasons of mine he wants to hear, or why it's so important that he hears them that he will dodge responding to you to wait