M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[aarodactyl]

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Seems Scummy to Me

Bona

Why do you scumread me?

Ok, these reasons are probably going to be seem unfair to you, but here is goes anyways.

1) it's weird to me that you felt comfortable reading out to chaqa to play among us together at the start of the game. My suspicious is that you were in QT with him and that made you feel more comfortable
2) it's also weird to me that you missed EOD twice due to walk. I get missing it once, but getting the time wrong twice in a row seems kind of fishy. Also after you missed the first EOD, you said it was because you were out with your family the whole day. I guess you could have been on a walk with them, but it seems fishy.
3) even if you missed EOD, it's weird you left your vote on unvote before your walk. There's always a risk something could come up and delay you and you wouldn't have a chance to submit a vote.
4) your first read was to read bunny and HR as town and EMC and durga as scum. To be fair, this is probably NAI. But in general, I don't like your reads.
5) I'm weirded out by how much you're tunneling on celaph. I don't really trust them either, but it's odd to me.

Also I don't really

[Vecna]

Town to scum right now (aka ghug collects his thoughts aloud):

ghug
Durga
Tom
emc

bozo
Riot
kgray
Chaqa

Balki
Bona
Maniac
Yoyo

aaro
Flum
Vecna
Celaph
Damo

Jamie

I do not agree with me being so low. Please change it

Catch scum.

you cant say that if you ingore all my reasons and pushes

[kgray]

Wait, brain did that?

I can't tell if this is a joke?

Let's say it isn't.

Okay, so take 5 seconds to look at brain's ISO from the beginning of D2 and see for yourself

[bozotheclown]

When did you read your role PM?

Same question: when did you read your PM?

BunnyGo going after Chaqa and Fluminator for saying they forgot the game was starting is similar to what he did with Jamie D1.

@Chaqa and Fluminator: Did you check your PM the day before the game started to see if you were mafia so you would be able to participate in the mafia pregame chat?

Do you honestly think Bunny called out *three* of his teammates this way?

I would not rule it out considering the way he bussed Jamie. Maybe 2 out of 3.

[kgray]

Aaro - I pointed out one post I really didn't like in the Bunny reread, but that's the only thing that really pushes my opinion on his alignment either way. He's done a lot of obvsmarting and very little obvtowning, which is a thing we tend to get caught by with new scum (wjessop, Foxcastle, Tom Bomb to name a few who were all my teammates). This might be the source of the belief that you're the most diabolical scum player on the face of the earth, though I can't say that with confidence.

I'm gonna strongly disagree with this take. Literally everything about aaro yesterday seemed towny to me - the way he went back and forth on his jailer reads in an effort to go along with what town wanted but didn't seem to be hiding anything, the way he dug into the game when he got ahold of mechs that he could analyze instead of being overwhelmed by a bunch of people he doesn't know, the way he interacted with and pressured Bunny, and, most convincingly to me, especially the way he was super willing to talk at a time when scum were about to be outed. I don't think new scum are that free with their thoughts in that situation.

I find only the last of these compelling.

Okay cool?

[aarodactyl]

Ok, I figured I should take my first attempt at listing everyone. I probably can't explain too many of these ratings, but feel free to ask about any of it. My methodology was to read/skim (depending on post count) the person's posts, and then I adjusted by at most 1 category in each direction based on voting.

Town
aaro
Durga
Tom
emc

Probably Town
Yoyo
Balki
bozo

Town Lean
kgray
Celaph
ghug

Yeah, I have no read at all
Flum
Chaqa

Maybe Scum???
Maniac
Vecna

Seems Scummy to Me
HR
Bona
Damo

Entertaining but still scum
Jamie

I get not having solid reasons, but could you explain a bit about your HR/damo scumreads? Why do you think each of them is scummy and do you think they're scum together?

Also I'm very interesting in your Balki read. Why is he probably town to you?

I'm probably going to have to look over their posts/voting to figure it out, and it's very late here. If I can't sleep, I might post tonight, if not I'll try to remember in the morning.

[kgray]

BunnyGo going after Chaqa and Fluminator for saying they forgot the game was starting is similar to what he did with Jamie D1.

@Chaqa and Fluminator: Did you check your PM the day before the game started to see if you were mafia so you would be able to participate in the mafia pregame chat?

Do you honestly think Bunny called out *three* of his teammates this way?

I would not rule it out considering the way he bussed Jamie. Maybe 2 out of 3.

But there's a difference between having one interaction with a scum teammate and having that same interaction with half of your team... I think it's a lot more likely that Bunny was looping in townies to this interrogation to make them think his push on Jamie was less substantial than that he was calling out multiple teammates in this weird way.

[Vecna]

@chaqa : do you know bona outside the game? I know you mentioned you've played among us together and I'm curious. I'm doing a lot of rereading and I'm curious. Also how can I get in on the among us?

No, I met him here and he plays Among Us with my groups a lot.

Ok. I don't know if this is allowed (so stop me if so), I just weirdly tunneled on the fact that you knew bona was young. However, I looked back and you played among us with them and there's a record of that before you mention their age. To be honest, I assumed he mentioned something about his age in QT and you slipped. Now I'm assuming he just DM'ed you or guessed your twitch in order to play.

Such a towny post

[Vecna]

No, I met him here and he plays Among Us with my groups a lot.

Ok. I don't know if this is allowed (so stop me if so), I just weirdly tunneled on the fact that you knew bona was young. However, I looked back and you played among us with them and there's a record of that before you mention their age. To be honest, I assumed he mentioned something about his age in QT and you slipped. Now I'm assuming he just DM'ed you or guessed your twitch in order to play.

Like this post.

hot damn, ghug and I agree on something

[Vecna]

Town:
EMC
Worcej
ND
Brainbomb (ill later retract this)
Durga
2/3 of the newbies but I forgot which 2

Probably also town
HB
Balki
Neph?

Scum
Kgray
Teacon
Bo
Chaqa
Flum
Bozo?

Does anyone read this as suspicious?

To clarify, besides not mentioning bunny, I think this gets every flipped person correct. Also, he mentioned in a nearby post that he thinks bunny is scum. Most of these reads change by their next list in D2. My guess is that this is town!vecna getting lucky (and to be honest, they can't mathematically be correct about all their scum picks), but can anyone weigh in on if this is something scum!vecna would do as a weird joke?

this happens surprisingly often - allthough usually not to this extent. But I do often have great initial gut feelings, only to find shitty reasons to start townreading them later on.

Did you notice anything about people trying to convince me? Because I do remember that people were questioning me D1 on the bo/jamiet thing.

[ghug]

I do not agree with me being so low. Please change it

Catch scum.

you cant say that if you ingore all my reasons and pushes

What pushes?

[aarodactyl]

Does anyone read this as suspicious?

To clarify, besides not mentioning bunny, I think this gets every flipped person correct. Also, he mentioned in a nearby post that he thinks bunny is scum. Most of these reads change by their next list in D2. My guess is that this is town!vecna getting lucky (and to be honest, they can't mathematically be correct about all their scum picks), but can anyone weigh in on if this is something scum!vecna would do as a weird joke?

this happens surprisingly often - allthough usually not to this extent. But I do often have great initial gut feelings, only to find shitty reasons to start townreading them later on.

Did you notice anything about people trying to convince me? Because I do remember that people were questioning me D1 on the bo/jamiet thing.

I might look back tomorrow. To be honest, when I did my reread of you, I did a lot of skimming because of your post volume.

[Vecna]

How could you possibly still scumread bozo?

I just reread Bozo and I can't understand why you're placing they so high? I don't necessarily think they're scum, but I don't see why you think they're town. Did I miss something?

How could you possibly still scumread bozo?

I have a very hard time reading bozo. I'd be interested in your opinions.

I don't think bozo recruits only teacon and Bunny to join his Jamie wagon at separate times if all four of them are scum.

Or you know, they did it on purpose because a communicator is a thing and this type of shit always gets used to formulate way too strong reads on.

[Vecna]

Ok, I figured I should take my first attempt at listing everyone. I probably can't explain too many of these ratings, but feel free to ask about any of it. My methodology was to read/skim (depending on post count) the person's posts, and then I adjusted by at most 1 category in each direction based on voting.

Town
aaro
Durga
Tom
emc

Probably Town
Yoyo
Balki
bozo

Town Lean
kgray
Celaph
ghug

Yeah, I have no read at all
Flum
Chaqa

Maybe Scum???
Maniac
Vecna

Seems Scummy to Me
HR
Bona
Damo

Entertaining but still scum
Jamie

I have some questions here:
-After you just question people for having Bozo unreasonably high on their reads list without reasons, why do you similarly place bozo at the top?
-How on earth can you possibly have a read on Yoyo? Especially one that is a higher townread than everyone else that is not confirmed town.
-Why do you feel Bona is more scummy than Celaph? How do you feel about their continuous interactions?
-If you feel im either lucky town, or scum that listed their partners D1, how do you intent to follow up on that?

[ghug]

I do not agree with me being so low. Please change it

Catch scum.

you cant say that if you ingore all my reasons and pushes

What pushes?

[ghug]

So nice I posted twice.

[Vecna]

Do you think ghug is trying to pocket me?

I'm not completely up to speed on what "pocket" means?

epicmafia definition: "Pocketing is when you townread a player in the hopes of getting them to townread you."

This is way too narrow. It also includes displaying any type of behaviour or making statements the person that youre trying to pocket likes, and in case of Ghug all you apparently have to do is be suspicious of him. Unless you know him, then not townreading him is unacceptable. Funny how this turned into a post about Ghug.

[Vecna]

Catch scum.

you cant say that if you ingore all my reasons and pushes

What pushes?

You never engaged me on anything. You never sheeped me that im aware of. You disagreed with pretty much all my reads all game.

So, now suddenly expecting me to find scum for you is a ridiculous request.

[Vecna]

Town:
EMC
Worcej
ND
Brainbomb (ill later retract this)
Durga
2/3 of the newbies but I forgot which 2

Probably also town
HB
Balki
Neph?

Scum
Kgray
Teacon
Bo
Chaqa
Flum
Bozo?

Does anyone read this as suspicious?

It is coincidental that we already know the alignment of 7/8 of his town reads (assuming emc is town). This is rather accurate for less than 14 hours into the game. I find the scum read of teacon interesting considering Vecna helped save teacon at EOD.

Do you think it is scummy behavior for me to find a single post to 180 my opinion and try and dissuade people?

[Vecna]

The way Balki is reading the rules makes them think that if EMC took any action on night one (even if it was canceled) then bunny would have seen it and told other scum. However, there are two issues with this: 1) they're reading the rules wrong and 2) they would have just killed EMC N2.

Theres another important take away

Now that we know bunny was the blackmailer and was on EMC N1, they mustve figured out Neph was the cop another way.

Aka, they have someone there that is good at spotting those type of differences in peoples play. Someone very familiar with Neph's playing style.

Don't like this take from Vecna, because (1) it's just randomly shading a vague person/people without looking into who it might actually be that is familiar with Neph's playing style - so he's not using it to solve, so what's even the point of saying this? and (2) it implies he forgot about brain's read of Neph as an investigative PR, which, on top of Vecna actually responding to part of that interaction, I doubt Vecna would actually do.

1: it was a discussion point because I wanted to see if people would pick up on it and see who they would mention. I think its quite obvious who my main candidate is for the shading with his point.

2: So you think scum would base their NK choice on a comment made by brainbomb? Without discussing it internally and finding their own reasoning? Also, no comment like that was made on Rdrivera, which was undoubtedly killed for similar reasoning.

And the people that are still in this game it applies to besides Bozo are -maybe- Damo and HR. From reading the scum QT lats game, I dont think Damo was involved in PR hunting too much? Ill leave that to you. From what I remember, I dont think Ghug actively hunts for PR's. I would obviously do it, but wouldve known better than to suspect Rdrivera of being a PR. Im not sure if Flum is meta-aware enough on Neph