M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[President Eden]

Also, was that line of questioning allowed? Or is it frowned upon because it's outside of the game stuff?

Your question was within acceptable bounds. There's not a bright line here beyond the fact that discussing the game outside of rules-permitted channels (the game thread, QuickTopic threads) with another player is against the rules. You reading into an in-thread inference by one player who interacts with another player outside the game is okay.

[aarodactyl]

@bona what's your take on the vecna post I quoted?

[ghug]

Example of what a townie reads list should be looking like

Flum
Durga
Tom
EMC
Kgray
Vecna
Aarodactyl
Chaqa
Yoyo
Bonatogether
Maniac
Celaph
Bozo
Balki
HR
Damo
Ghug
Jamiet

How could you possibly still scumread bozo?

I just reread Bozo and I can't understand why you're placing they so high? I don't necessarily think they're scum, but I don't see why you think they're town. Did I miss something?

Example of what a townie reads list should be looking like

Flum
Durga
Tom
EMC
Kgray
Vecna
Aarodactyl
Chaqa
Yoyo
Bonatogether
Maniac
Celaph
Bozo
Balki
HR
Damo
Ghug
Jamiet

How could you possibly still scumread bozo?

I have a very hard time reading bozo. I'd be interested in your opinions.

I don't think bozo recruits only teacon and Bunny to join his Jamie wagon at separate times if all four of them are scum.

[Bonatogether]

@bona what's your take on the vecna post I quoted?

I think that it's probably just very lucky, since such a joke would get him nothing except some suspicious townies (such as you) and some pissed off teammates.

[aarodactyl]

Ok, I figured I should take my first attempt at listing everyone. I probably can't explain too many of these ratings, but feel free to ask about any of it. My methodology was to read/skim (depending on post count) the person's posts, and then I adjusted by at most 1 category in each direction based on voting.

Town
aaro
Durga
Tom
emc

Probably Town
Yoyo
Balki
bozo

Town Lean
kgray
Celaph
ghug

Yeah, I have no read at all
Flum
Chaqa

Maybe Scum???
Maniac
Vecna

Seems Scummy to Me
HR
Bona
Damo

Entertaining but still scum
Jamie

[bozotheclown]

I just reread Bozo and I can't understand why you're placing they so high? I don't necessarily think they're scum, but I don't see why you think they're town. Did I miss something?

Do you think ghug is trying to pocket me?

I'm not completely up to speed on what "pocket" means?

epicmafia definition: "Pocketing is when you townread a player in the hopes of getting them to townread you."

[ghug]

Do you think ghug is trying to pocket me?

I'm not completely up to speed on what "pocket" means?

epicmafia definition: "Pocketing is when you townread a player in the hopes of getting them to townread you."

Balki tried to pocket me a page ago, for example.

[Bonatogether]

<snip>

Seems Scummy to Me

Bona

Why do you scumread me?

[Balki Bartokomous]

I'm not completely up to speed on what "pocket" means?

epicmafia definition: "Pocketing is when you townread a player in the hopes of getting them to townread you."

Balki tried to pocket me a page ago, for example.

I think I was acknowledging that you had pocketed me.

[bozotheclown]

Town:
EMC
Worcej
ND
Brainbomb (ill later retract this)
Durga
2/3 of the newbies but I forgot which 2

Probably also town
HB
Balki
Neph?

Scum
Kgray
Teacon
Bo
Chaqa
Flum
Bozo?

Does anyone read this as suspicious?

It is coincidental that we already know the alignment of 7/8 of his town reads (assuming emc is town). This is rather accurate for less than 14 hours into the game. I find the scum read of teacon interesting considering Vecna helped save teacon at EOD.

[aarodactyl]

Do you think ghug is trying to pocket me?

I'm not completely up to speed on what "pocket" means?

epicmafia definition: "Pocketing is when you townread a player in the hopes of getting them to townread you."

I guess my answer is I don't know. When I asked, I had ghug as slightly scummy in my mind and I had you as null. However, after rereading a lot, I have both of you as leaning town or higher, so it could be legitimate.

[kgray]

How does it help us for the last PR to claim? To me it just seems like it gives scum the info for who to rb and kill.

The way Balki is reading the rules makes them think that if EMC took any action on night one (even if it was canceled) then bunny would have seen it and told other scum. However, there are two issues with this: 1) they're reading the rules wrong and 2) they would have just killed EMC N2.

Theres another important take away

Now that we know bunny was the blackmailer and was on EMC N1, they mustve figured out Neph was the cop another way.

Aka, they have someone there that is good at spotting those type of differences in peoples play. Someone very familiar with Neph's playing style.

Don't like this take from Vecna, because (1) it's just randomly shading a vague person/people without looking into who it might actually be that is familiar with Neph's playing style - so he's not using it to solve, so what's even the point of saying this? and (2) it implies he forgot about brain's read of Neph as an investigative PR, which, on top of Vecna actually responding to part of that interaction, I doubt Vecna would actually do.

[aarodactyl]

Town:
EMC
Worcej
ND
Brainbomb (ill later retract this)
Durga
2/3 of the newbies but I forgot which 2

Probably also town
HB
Balki
Neph?

Scum
Kgray
Teacon
Bo
Chaqa
Flum
Bozo?

Does anyone read this as suspicious?

It is coincidental that we already know the alignment of 7/8 of his town reads (assuming emc is town). This is rather accurate for less than 14 hours into the game. I find the scum read of teacon interesting considering Vecna helped save teacon at EOD.

Yeah, maybe it's just an indicator of clairvoyance which is fairly NAI. However, I do agree it's interesting at how many of these reads changed.

[ghug]

The way Balki is reading the rules makes them think that if EMC took any action on night one (even if it was canceled) then bunny would have seen it and told other scum. However, there are two issues with this: 1) they're reading the rules wrong and 2) they would have just killed EMC N2.

Theres another important take away

Now that we know bunny was the blackmailer and was on EMC N1, they mustve figured out Neph was the cop another way.

Aka, they have someone there that is good at spotting those type of differences in peoples play. Someone very familiar with Neph's playing style.

Don't like this take from Vecna, because (1) it's just randomly shading a vague person/people without looking into who it might actually be that is familiar with Neph's playing style - so he's not using it to solve, so what's even the point of saying this? and (2) it implies he forgot about brain's read of Neph as an investigative PR, which, on top of Vecna actually responding to part of that interaction, I doubt Vecna would actually do.

Wait, brain did that?

[kgray]

Aaro - I pointed out one post I really didn't like in the Bunny reread, but that's the only thing that really pushes my opinion on his alignment either way. He's done a lot of obvsmarting and very little obvtowning, which is a thing we tend to get caught by with new scum (wjessop, Foxcastle, Tom Bomb to name a few who were all my teammates). This might be the source of the belief that you're the most diabolical scum player on the face of the earth, though I can't say that with confidence.

I'm gonna strongly disagree with this take. Literally everything about aaro yesterday seemed towny to me - the way he went back and forth on his jailer reads in an effort to go along with what town wanted but didn't seem to be hiding anything, the way he dug into the game when he got ahold of mechs that he could analyze instead of being overwhelmed by a bunch of people he doesn't know, the way he interacted with and pressured Bunny, and, most convincingly to me, especially the way he was super willing to talk at a time when scum were about to be outed. I don't think new scum are that free with their thoughts in that situation.

[kgray]

Theres another important take away

Now that we know bunny was the blackmailer and was on EMC N1, they mustve figured out Neph was the cop another way.

Aka, they have someone there that is good at spotting those type of differences in peoples play. Someone very familiar with Neph's playing style.

Don't like this take from Vecna, because (1) it's just randomly shading a vague person/people without looking into who it might actually be that is familiar with Neph's playing style - so he's not using it to solve, so what's even the point of saying this? and (2) it implies he forgot about brain's read of Neph as an investigative PR, which, on top of Vecna actually responding to part of that interaction, I doubt Vecna would actually do.

Wait, brain did that?

I can't tell if this is a joke?

[kgray]

I didn't realize this was starting today. Read my role PM but haven't really read the setup yet. I'll catch up during Turkey Day tomorrow lol

##Vote EMC

When did you read your role PM?

Forgot the game started today.
Since I was daykilled d1 last game, I'm going to take advantage of the short grace period and not do anything today because day 1s are hard.

Same question: when did you read your PM?

BunnyGo going after Chaqa and Fluminator for saying they forgot the game was starting is similar to what he did with Jamie D1.

@Chaqa and Fluminator: Did you check your PM the day before the game started to see if you were mafia so you would be able to participate in the mafia pregame chat?

Do you honestly think Bunny called out *three* of his teammates this way?

[ghug]

Don't like this take from Vecna, because (1) it's just randomly shading a vague person/people without looking into who it might actually be that is familiar with Neph's playing style - so he's not using it to solve, so what's even the point of saying this? and (2) it implies he forgot about brain's read of Neph as an investigative PR, which, on top of Vecna actually responding to part of that interaction, I doubt Vecna would actually do.

Wait, brain did that?

I can't tell if this is a joke?

Let's say it isn't.

[ghug]

Aaro - I pointed out one post I really didn't like in the Bunny reread, but that's the only thing that really pushes my opinion on his alignment either way. He's done a lot of obvsmarting and very little obvtowning, which is a thing we tend to get caught by with new scum (wjessop, Foxcastle, Tom Bomb to name a few who were all my teammates). This might be the source of the belief that you're the most diabolical scum player on the face of the earth, though I can't say that with confidence.

I'm gonna strongly disagree with this take. Literally everything about aaro yesterday seemed towny to me - the way he went back and forth on his jailer reads in an effort to go along with what town wanted but didn't seem to be hiding anything, the way he dug into the game when he got ahold of mechs that he could analyze instead of being overwhelmed by a bunch of people he doesn't know, the way he interacted with and pressured Bunny, and, most convincingly to me, especially the way he was super willing to talk at a time when scum were about to be outed. I don't think new scum are that free with their thoughts in that situation.

I find only the last of these compelling.

[kgray]

Ok, I figured I should take my first attempt at listing everyone. I probably can't explain too many of these ratings, but feel free to ask about any of it. My methodology was to read/skim (depending on post count) the person's posts, and then I adjusted by at most 1 category in each direction based on voting.

Town
aaro
Durga
Tom
emc

Probably Town
Yoyo
Balki
bozo

Town Lean
kgray
Celaph
ghug

Yeah, I have no read at all
Flum
Chaqa

Maybe Scum???
Maniac
Vecna

Seems Scummy to Me
HR
Bona
Damo

Entertaining but still scum
Jamie

I get not having solid reasons, but could you explain a bit about your HR/damo scumreads? Why do you think each of them is scummy and do you think they're scum together?

Also I'm very interesting in your Balki read. Why is he probably town to you?