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Re: M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

#6521 Post by ghug » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:20 am

Tom Bombadil wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:14 am
kgray wrote:
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Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:06 am

(1) Can someone link me to the Aaro post that spells this out? I may misunderstand the description.
(2) The upside is that I have more info. I'm bored, and if the scum already know, I want to know. It's unlikely to make any difference. It would tell us all whether there is another PR hiding out there or not, which doesn't help with much. Obviously, only makes sense if we're positive that scum would know emc's role.
Why are you bored? Do you know who the remaining scum are?
This implies you find Balkis boredom scummy? Is that the case?
I think it implies that there's something useful he could be doing with his time if he's town.

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#6522 Post by Hellenic Riot » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:21 am

ghug wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:20 am
Tom Bombadil wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:14 am
kgray wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:07 am


Why are you bored? Do you know who the remaining scum are?
This implies you find Balkis boredom scummy? Is that the case?
I think it implies that there's something useful he could be doing with his time if he's town.
Is there?

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#6523 Post by ghug » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:23 am

Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:21 am
ghug wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:20 am
Tom Bombadil wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:14 am


This implies you find Balkis boredom scummy? Is that the case?
I think it implies that there's something useful he could be doing with his time if he's town.
Is there?
Looking for scum in past interactions?

Teaching his children to hunt for scum to give us an army of Balkis?

Feasting on Chipotle?

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#6524 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:24 am

With this understanding of the rules in mind, it's a little more possible that the blackmailer role was used as a tracker red herring. But, because there was no guarantee we had a tracker, and scum would have been quite motivated to blackmail a Town Investigator, I think we probably are best served thinking of EMC as clear.

If the scum team happened to forfeit a blackmail visit on the off chance that (a) there was a tracker who (b) targeted Bunny, I think I'm prepared to lose to that team. If they were worried about tracker, it would have made more sense for Bunny to simply stay home. Yeah, EMC is clear.

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#6525 Post by Hellenic Riot » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:25 am

ghug wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:23 am
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:21 am
ghug wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:20 am


I think it implies that there's something useful he could be doing with his time if he's town.
Is there?
Looking for scum in past interactions?

Teaching his children to hunt for scum to give us an army of Balkis?

Feasting on Chipotle?
Can't see much point in the former when we can't put real pressure on people until after Jamie is dead, but you might have a point on the latter two

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#6526 Post by kgray » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:27 am

Tom Bombadil wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:14 am
kgray wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:07 am
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:06 am

(1) Can someone link me to the Aaro post that spells this out? I may misunderstand the description.
(2) The upside is that I have more info. I'm bored, and if the scum already know, I want to know. It's unlikely to make any difference. It would tell us all whether there is another PR hiding out there or not, which doesn't help with much. Obviously, only makes sense if we're positive that scum would know emc's role.
Why are you bored? Do you know who the remaining scum are?
This implies you find Balkis boredom scummy? Is that the case?
I don't know, but he's seemed disengaged this game and that's really different from when I played with him before and he was town. In that game he was so energized after a scumflip and when teacon died here he didn't seem to care much. And now we've got two more scum, and he's bored... I get that the pace is weird but it just isn't the investigative Balki I was expecting.

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#6527 Post by ghug » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:27 am

Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:25 am
ghug wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:23 am
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:21 am


Is there?
Looking for scum in past interactions?

Teaching his children to hunt for scum to give us an army of Balkis?

Feasting on Chipotle?
Can't see much point in the former when we can't put real pressure on people until after Jamie is dead, but you might have a point on the latter two
There is a whole lot of game to look through, and there's no real downside to doing it earlier rather than later.

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#6528 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:29 am

Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:25 am
ghug wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:23 am
Looking for scum in past interactions?

Teaching his children to hunt for scum to give us an army of Balkis?

Feasting on Chipotle?
Can't see much point in the former when we can't put real pressure on people until after Jamie is dead, but you might have a point on the latter two
If I am Scum!Balki, should I be teaching my children to pretend to be hunting for scum? Or would I be pretending to teach them to scum hunt, when actually trying to lead them into miskilling townies?

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#6529 Post by Hellenic Riot » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:29 am

ghug wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:27 am
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:25 am
ghug wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:23 am


Looking for scum in past interactions?

Teaching his children to hunt for scum to give us an army of Balkis?

Feasting on Chipotle?
Can't see much point in the former when we can't put real pressure on people until after Jamie is dead, but you might have a point on the latter two
There is a whole lot of game to look through, and there's no real downside to doing it earlier rather than later.
No real upside either - Might as well wait 3 days and come at it with fresh eyes

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#6530 Post by ghug » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:30 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:29 am
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:25 am
ghug wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:23 am
Looking for scum in past interactions?

Teaching his children to hunt for scum to give us an army of Balkis?

Feasting on Chipotle?
Can't see much point in the former when we can't put real pressure on people until after Jamie is dead, but you might have a point on the latter two
If I am Scum!Balki, should I be teaching my children to pretend to be hunting for scum? Or would I be pretending to teach them to scum hunt, when actually trying to lead them into miskilling townies?
You should legitimately teach them to scumhunt, for use in future games, but serve as a man in the middle for all their communication and alter it if they get too smart.

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#6531 Post by kgray » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:30 am

ghug wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:27 am
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:25 am
ghug wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:23 am


Looking for scum in past interactions?

Teaching his children to hunt for scum to give us an army of Balkis?

Feasting on Chipotle?
Can't see much point in the former when we can't put real pressure on people until after Jamie is dead, but you might have a point on the latter two
There is a whole lot of game to look through, and there's no real downside to doing it earlier rather than later.
Yeah, and another thing town!Balki did in that game was encourage everyone to reread.

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#6532 Post by celaph » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:31 am

I'm confused as to why there is this feeling that tomorrow is rather a mute day because we're already set on our kill. What would you want to be saying then that you can't say tomorrow?

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#6533 Post by ghug » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:31 am

@kgray, what do you make of the fact that Bunny pushed to kill Balki D2? Do you think he bussed two days in a row?

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#6534 Post by ghug » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:33 am

celaph wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:31 am
I'm confused as to why there is this feeling that tomorrow is rather a mute day because we're already set on our kill. What would you want to be saying then that you can't say tomorrow?
It's because the game moves and creates new information via voting patterns and new flips. If there's no pressure to get a daykill right, people won't take as many actions that help you read them.

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#6535 Post by celaph » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:34 am

Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:29 am
ghug wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:27 am
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:25 am


Can't see much point in the former when we can't put real pressure on people until after Jamie is dead, but you might have a point on the latter two
There is a whole lot of game to look through, and there's no real downside to doing it earlier rather than later.
No real upside either - Might as well wait 3 days and come at it with fresh eyes
I mean, two of us are going to die between now and the day after next. It seems to me that hearing from those people would be an upside.

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#6536 Post by Hellenic Riot » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:35 am

Someone with experience of scum Bunny talking about his scum meta would be quite useful, actually

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#6537 Post by kgray » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:35 am

ghug wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:31 am
@kgray, what do you make of the fact that Bunny pushed to kill Balki D2? Do you think he bussed two days in a row?
I think Bunny pushing Balki D2 makes Balki look townier. I said this to bozo earlier when he asked if I thought Balki was bussing Bunny D1.

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#6538 Post by Hellenic Riot » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:35 am

celaph wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:34 am
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:29 am
ghug wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:27 am


There is a whole lot of game to look through, and there's no real downside to doing it earlier rather than later.
No real upside either - Might as well wait 3 days and come at it with fresh eyes
I mean, two of us are going to die between now and the day after next. It seems to me that hearing from those people would be an upside.
If the scum team choose to kill any of us over the 3 outed clears then we should just take the compliment and feel good about ourselves

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#6539 Post by celaph » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:38 am

Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:35 am
celaph wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:34 am
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:29 am

No real upside either - Might as well wait 3 days and come at it with fresh eyes
I mean, two of us are going to die between now and the day after next. It seems to me that hearing from those people would be an upside.
If the scum team choose to kill any of us over the 3 outed clears then we should just take the compliment and feel good about ourselves
The us refers to town in general, not just you and I. Though I think my point still stands that I want to hear more of their thoughts, particularly Tom's as he has fresh eyes on this all.

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#6540 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:39 am

kgray wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:27 am
I don't know, but he's seemed disengaged this game and that's really different from when I played with him before and he was town. In that game he was so energized after a scumflip and when teacon died here he didn't seem to care much. And now we've got two more scum, and he's bored... I get that the pace is weird but it just isn't the investigative Balki I was expecting.
I do know this feeling of being let down by your heroes.

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