M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[ghug]

Blackmailer: Each night, you may investigate another target player. If the investigation is not cancelled, then the following will result.
If your investigation target has taken an action that night, then the investigation reveals the action and its target.
Otherwise, the investigation yields no result.
You win with the MAFIA.
“You might change your mind, once I show you this…”

My read of this role is that Bunny would learn the action and target whether the Protective Role action accomplished something or not. Am I wrong?

Oh, I'm sorry for implying you you're scum for messing this up. I think you might be correct.

##call GM

-player x takes an action but it's canceled
-player y blackmails player x

what does player y get told?

I thought this post was Jamie for a second and it made me chuckle.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Aaro already spelt out why they wouldn't know if EMC is the other protective PR

And what on earth is the upside, either?

(1) Can someone link me to the Aaro post that spells this out? I may misunderstand the description.
(2) The upside is that I have more info. I'm bored, and if the scum already know, I want to know. It's unlikely to make any difference. It would tell us all whether there is another PR hiding out there or not, which doesn't help with much. Obviously, only makes sense if we're positive that scum would know emc's role.

[kgray]

Blackmailer: Each night, you may investigate another target player. If the investigation is not cancelled, then the following will result.
If your investigation target has taken an action that night, then the investigation reveals the action and its target.
Otherwise, the investigation yields no result.
You win with the MAFIA.
“You might change your mind, once I show you this…”

My read of this role is that Bunny would learn the action and target whether the Protective Role action accomplished something or not. Am I wrong?

Oh, I'm sorry for implying you you're scum for messing this up. I think you might be correct.

##call GM

-player x takes an action but it's canceled
-player y blackmails player x

what does player y get told?

If an action is cancelled it's like it wasn't ordered in the first place, so pretty sure player y gets told player x doesn't do anything.

[kgray]

Aaro already spelt out why they wouldn't know if EMC is the other protective PR

And what on earth is the upside, either?

(1) Can someone link me to the Aaro post that spells this out? I may misunderstand the description.
(2) The upside is that I have more info. I'm bored, and if the scum already know, I want to know. It's unlikely to make any difference. It would tell us all whether there is another PR hiding out there or not, which doesn't help with much. Obviously, only makes sense if we're positive that scum would know emc's role.

Why are you bored? Do you know who the remaining scum are?

[kgray]

Here:

There is a 0% that bunny got information from visiting EMC. If EMC has a role, it has to be a protective role (based on the fact we're limited to two investigative roles and they weren't vig). They can't be jailer, so they have to be last rites or medic. If you protect someone that isn't targeted for a kill as last rites or medic, the action is canceled, so blackmailer wouldn't see anything. We know all the kills so far have gone through, so there is no way bunny saw anything that night. Also that means that Bunny also had no useful information from night 2. At best he caught one of Durga, Worcej, or VashTom but those are all outed now.

[celaph]

I think that might make sense with a role blocker. But I feel like Mafia would be unlikely to miss an opportunity to gain intel from Blackmailer and narrow the PR pool.

Also note: EMC might as well claim his role if he took an action the night that Bunny visited him. Mafia should know it anyway. And I don’t think there are any roles left that would not have taken an action, but someone can correct me if there is one.

So what you're saying is that if EMC is the last protective PR, he should claim pre-emptively so that the scum can't accidentally CC a clear

I don’t know. What is the downside to claiming? Bunny’s role tells them what actions he took, or if he took them. So scum should already know. If scum already know, why not tell all? Is there a downside?

How does it help us for the last PR to claim? To me it just seems like it gives scum the info for who to rb and kill.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Do you feel like your style has changed since your last time you played?

Not really.

Crushing life is awesome. I am too right now It always make me happy hearing other people are, especially during quarantine.

Oh, I am mostly crushing my new role as homeschool teacher to a first grader and a preschooler, but it's a big silver lining of a new role.

[aarodactyl]

Aaro already spelt out why they wouldn't know if EMC is the other protective PR

And what on earth is the upside, either?

(1) Can someone link me to the Aaro post that spells this out? I may misunderstand the description.
(2) The upside is that I have more info. I'm bored, and if the scum already know, I want to know. It's unlikely to make any difference. It would tell us all whether there is another PR hiding out there or not, which doesn't help with much. Obviously, only makes sense if we're positive that scum would know emc's role.

It's post 6489. I think we crossposted and you missed it.

I'm partly convinced by your reading of the rules tbh, but I think you're probably wrong. On a funny note, if you're correct, Bunny could have been medic/last rites.

[aarodactyl]

So what you're saying is that if EMC is the last protective PR, he should claim pre-emptively so that the scum can't accidentally CC a clear

I don’t know. What is the downside to claiming? Bunny’s role tells them what actions he took, or if he took them. So scum should already know. If scum already know, why not tell all? Is there a downside?

How does it help us for the last PR to claim? To me it just seems like it gives scum the info for who to rb and kill.

The way Balki is reading the rules makes them think that if EMC took any action on night one (even if it was canceled) then bunny would have seen it and told other scum. However, there are two issues with this: 1) they're reading the rules wrong and 2) they would have just killed EMC N2.

[Hellenic Riot]

Aaro already spelt out why they wouldn't know if EMC is the other protective PR

And what on earth is the upside, either?

(1) Can someone link me to the Aaro post that spells this out? I may misunderstand the description.
(2) The upside is that I have more info. I'm bored, and if the scum already know, I want to know. It's unlikely to make any difference. It would tell us all whether there is another PR hiding out there or not, which doesn't help with much. Obviously, only makes sense if we're positive that scum would know emc's role.

It's post 6489. I think we crossposted and you missed it.

I'm partly convinced by your reading of the rules tbh, but I think you're probably wrong. On a funny note, if you're correct, Bunny could have been medic/last rites.

He couldn't - We know for a fact that a tracker can't see those visits. I suppose it's possible that a blackmailer has an entirely different logic to it though.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Why are you bored? Do you know who the remaining scum are?

No. It's just...so much time with nothing happening. At some point I will go read stuff with all the new info from Elmer "Durga" Fudd, but ya know...having trouble finding motivation.

[Hellenic Riot]

Why are you bored? Do you know who the remaining scum are?

No. It's just...so much time with nothing happening. At some point I will go read stuff with all the new info from Elmer "Durga" Fudd, but ya know...having trouble finding motivation.

Look on the bright side: It's only 4 days before we get to put actual thought in again, rather than 6

[Tom Bombadil]

Aaro already spelt out why they wouldn't know if EMC is the other protective PR

And what on earth is the upside, either?

(1) Can someone link me to the Aaro post that spells this out? I may misunderstand the description.
(2) The upside is that I have more info. I'm bored, and if the scum already know, I want to know. It's unlikely to make any difference. It would tell us all whether there is another PR hiding out there or not, which doesn't help with much. Obviously, only makes sense if we're positive that scum would know emc's role.

Why are you bored? Do you know who the remaining scum are?

This implies you find Balkis boredom scummy? Is that the case?

[aarodactyl]

(1) Can someone link me to the Aaro post that spells this out? I may misunderstand the description.
(2) The upside is that I have more info. I'm bored, and if the scum already know, I want to know. It's unlikely to make any difference. It would tell us all whether there is another PR hiding out there or not, which doesn't help with much. Obviously, only makes sense if we're positive that scum would know emc's role.

It's post 6489. I think we crossposted and you missed it.

I'm partly convinced by your reading of the rules tbh, but I think you're probably wrong. On a funny note, if you're correct, Bunny could have been medic/last rites.

He couldn't - We know for a fact that a tracker can't see those visits. I suppose it's possible that a blackmailer has an entirely different logic to it though.

Oh, if we know that for a fact (I don't remember if we asked an GM), then that's true for blackmailer since the wording is exactly the same except that backmailer wins with mafia.

[President Eden]

Blackmailer: Each night, you may investigate another target player. If the investigation is not cancelled, then the following will result.
If your investigation target has taken an action that night, then the investigation reveals the action and its target.
Otherwise, the investigation yields no result.
You win with the MAFIA.
“You might change your mind, once I show you this…”

My read of this role is that Bunny would learn the action and target whether the Protective Role action accomplished something or not. Am I wrong?

Oh, I'm sorry for implying you you're scum for messing this up. I think you might be correct.

##call GM

-player x takes an action but it's canceled
-player y blackmails player x

what does player y get told?

Actions that are cancelled are treated as though they were never submitted for purposes of other roles. Player X would be treated as though they never submitted a target. Player Y, the Blackmailer would be told, "Your investigation of Player X succeeds, but returns no result."

[Hellenic Riot]

It's post 6489. I think we crossposted and you missed it.

I'm partly convinced by your reading of the rules tbh, but I think you're probably wrong. On a funny note, if you're correct, Bunny could have been medic/last rites.

He couldn't - We know for a fact that a tracker can't see those visits. I suppose it's possible that a blackmailer has an entirely different logic to it though.

Oh, if we know that for a fact (I don't remember if we asked an GM), then that's true for blackmailer since the wording is exactly the same except that backmailer wins with mafia.

Didn't need to ask a GM, it's spelt out in the Interactions guide below the roles in the first post.

[aarodactyl]

My read of this role is that Bunny would learn the action and target whether the Protective Role action accomplished something or not. Am I wrong?

Oh, I'm sorry for implying you you're scum for messing this up. I think you might be correct.

##call GM

-player x takes an action but it's canceled
-player y blackmails player x

what does player y get told?

Actions that are cancelled are treated as though they were never submitted for purposes of other roles. Player X would be treated as though they never submitted a target. Player Y, the Blackmailer would be told, "Your investigation of Player X succeeds, but returns no result."

Thank you! If this was an obvious question, just pretend I asked it to give you another chance to get +1s.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Okay, I'm wrong. And I just re-read the rules and so -- don't worry -- I can confirm that this Eden dude is correct.

Obviously don't claim emc. And I'll just stop trying to get our PRs to claim for my merriment.

[aarodactyl]

He couldn't - We know for a fact that a tracker can't see those visits. I suppose it's possible that a blackmailer has an entirely different logic to it though.

Oh, if we know that for a fact (I don't remember if we asked an GM), then that's true for blackmailer since the wording is exactly the same except that backmailer wins with mafia.

Didn't need to ask a GM, it's spelt out in the Interactions guide below the roles in the first post.

Maybe one day I'll get better at remembering the interactions.

[celaph]

celaph, how you finding this game? You having fun? lol

It's been an enjoyable game thus far, if quite challenging. Both from a perspective of not expecting to have to read this much and because I don't have confidence in reading y'all.