M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Vecna]

we should be killing them over jamiet today

[Durga]

we should be killing them over jamiet today

Yes agreed. Much for information that way

[Vecna]

assuming you only saw jamiet visit one target ofcourse (but itd be pretty dumb to let their PRs do the killing)

[bozotheclown]

D1 Vote, Color edition for reference:
ND (7) ghug, Durga, aarodactyl, Jamiet99uk, brainbomb, kgray, Hamilton Brian
teacon7 (6) Fluminator, BunnyGo, Hellenic Riot, VashtaNeurotic, Chaqa, Balki Bartokomous
Maniac (4) rdrivera2005, celaph, ND, damo666
ghug (2) Nephthys, worcej
Jamiet99uk (2) bozotheclown, teacon7
Fluminator (1) Bonatogether
bozotheclown (1) Yoyoyozo
Nephthys (1) Vecna
damo666 (1) e.m.c^42
Durga (1) Maniac

Now the 'fun' questions:

1. Why was HB saved in the last 15 minutes?
2. Who looks bad for this one?
3. Does anyone look worse now on D1 with this flip?
4. Can you all listen to me that kgray is scum now?

Where did you get this voting list to edit?

The bot.

So after you saw the reveal post, you copied this from the bot, edited it, and added your questions?

[Vecna]

Everything Bozo is currently doing feels like he's trying to distance or incriminate people because he knows hes about to be outted lol.

He's not trying to solve this thing whatsoever. He's not even interested in your results.

[kgray]

The fact that damo and Vecna in particular seem to not be considering how likely teacon would be to do that makes me think they may just be scum.

I think the person who looks the worst for not really considering it is Jamie, actually, but I mostly townread him otherwise.

If Jamie is town, he is already too far down the tunnel.

I'm crazy behind on some deadlines coming up thanks to earlier procrastinating on this game so I'll probably not be around much (hopefully, if I can focus) but this interaction has really been bothering me.

It's really shocking to me that bozo is excusing this from Jamie. Very un-bozolike, and reminds me of how he protected scum!ghug over town!Flum in M60 when they did similar things except that, like Jamie in this case, what scum!ghug did was scummier than what town!Flum did.

In that game scum!bozo also continued to focus on D1 VCA because it implicated town instead of looking into voting or things that happened later in the game, which is similar to what he's doing here.

[Hellenic Riot]

Swear on my grandmother.

Your favorite grandmother that always had candy and cookies growing up, or the one that would try to convert you to judaism all the damn time?

What jew ever tries to convert people? That's the best damn part of the religion that we don't want you to have to deal with this too.

Chabad Hasidics

[Chaqa]

Could someone explain or link me to the relevant posts about why we're voting Yoyo? I'm guessing there was some sort of investigate on him? Or is this all a pressure vote to make him actually show up?

[bozotheclown]

I cannot remember a lot of things - but I am okay with being wrong. M1011 was almost 7 months ago, so yeah - opinions change.

I mean, I guess you think I am scum for 'tunneling' you? Damo didn't tie the vote, I wouldn't let him if it tried. Information was gained - so what's your concern?

I don't think it's a big deal that he didn't vote his mild townlean over a conf-town... I don't think this is something abnormal for me, but go ahead and quote me from a game like M1011 (that was 11 games ago and, as I said, was almost 7 months ago FWIW)

And yeah, I am nuts. I play an internet deduction game regularly and constantly pull my hair out over trying to figure out which one of you dinks are lying profusely - I have to be partially insane.

Here are the quotes from M1011, and this was when damo voted for the tie to save himself:

Damo looks suspicious as shit simply because a town player should never intentionally tie the vote - your flip still has meaning on D1.

Rdr was a but flip now makes him obviously look fine now.

summit I am questioning - why damo in the last 10 minutes? I don't see any mention of you scumming him in any way.

##vote summit

Oh, it's laughable that I think self preservation in a TEAM game is stupid? What value did saving yourself provide us?

Your reads from above are nothing new and nothing insightful, like what a flip would've provided.

Do you think my opinion on how to play the game of mafia cannot change over 6 MONTHS.

It seems that damo being scum in that game would have reinforced your opinion, not change it. Has another game since then changed your opinion?

[Durga]

assuming you only saw jamiet visit one target ofcourse (but itd be pretty dumb to let their PRs do the killing)

Yes correct. I think I'm pretty satisfied to reveal all at this point. I don't like to play games and mafia will have a hard time from here whether they've just lost 2 or 3.

N1 I tracked BunnyGo and he visited e.m.c
N2 I tracked Jamiet and he visited Nephthys

[kgray]

assuming you only saw jamiet visit one target ofcourse (but itd be pretty dumb to let their PRs do the killing)

Yes correct. I think I'm pretty satisfied to reveal all at this point. I don't like to play games and mafia will have a hard time from here whether they've just lost 2 or 3.

N1 I tracked BunnyGo and he visited e.m.c
N2 I tracked Jamiet and he visited Nephthys

Ayyyy ##vote Bunny

[Vecna]

oh thats actually pretty great

[Vecna]

##vote Bunny

This game he did actually fool me into thinking he was more likely town than scum

[Chaqa]

assuming you only saw jamiet visit one target ofcourse (but itd be pretty dumb to let their PRs do the killing)

Yes correct. I think I'm pretty satisfied to reveal all at this point. I don't like to play games and mafia will have a hard time from here whether they've just lost 2 or 3.

N1 I tracked BunnyGo and he visited e.m.c
N2 I tracked Jamiet and he visited Nephthys

So either Jamie is the Vigilante or he's mafia.

I see no reason Vig shouldn't claim here if they aren't Jamie. Vig is out of bullets AFAIK and a 1:1 on scum would be great.

[Vecna]

the vig is already outed. It was vash and he replaced out straight after the fun was over.

Also, bunny has quite good odds of just being the smuggler that was protecting EMC lol.

Then it might even be possible that EMC is either the RB or blackmailer that just put his two teammates in there (EMC: damo maniac) to protect them or some nonsense lol.

[Durga]

I'm not answering Chaqa lol

[aarodactyl]

assuming you only saw jamiet visit one target ofcourse (but itd be pretty dumb to let their PRs do the killing)

Yes correct. I think I'm pretty satisfied to reveal all at this point. I don't like to play games and mafia will have a hard time from here whether they've just lost 2 or 3.

N1 I tracked BunnyGo and he visited e.m.c
N2 I tracked Jamiet and he visited Nephthys

So either Jamie is the Vigilante or he's mafia.

I see no reason Vig shouldn't claim here if they aren't Jamie. Vig is out of bullets AFAIK and a 1:1 on scum would be great.

Tom is vig

[bozotheclown]

Ok fuck Chaqa, he's scum for seeing what was going on and not posting his two picks. But y'all deal with him later.

I'm anxious to keep this game going. So, player X lied about their visits, so we have 2 or 3 scum. We'll know when we flip player X today if they're smuggler or informer or whatever. Jailer does not need to claim, congrats jailer!

If I actually caught 3 scum in 2 days I'm soooo sorry loooool

Interesting. Excellent.

So the question now is what roles they have instructed to lie. Communicator seems quite likely to have been telling people what to do here.

Question two is if scum went for the straightforward smuggler use (smuggle to protect their own teammates) or the offensive use to potentially create miskills.

If they went for the straight forward smuggler use, theyd lie about it most likely. If trying to frame people, theyd probably just out it honestly since it was much more likely a target that other people would want to target and it wouldnt get them reverse-caught on flip or their targets.

Whether theyd lie about the RB and blackmailer......probably at least for the N1 blackmailer target since its quite possible that went to Neph. Its possible they deduced it based on play patterns or w/e. Generally, if they went for the smart plays, theyd also have to lie about it. Why roleblock or blackmail people you want to kill early anyway. You need to find the PR threats among the people that are going to survive till lategame.

I dno, plenty of theorizing to be done, but it remains guesswork on how scum would approach this.

Having everyone lie and just sacrifice the person caught might be the smarter approach than actually giving us material to analyze and scrutinize for the rest of the game.

The smuggler role implies that it can only be used to target mafia.

[Durga]

the vig is already outed. It was vash and he replaced out straight after the fun was over.

Also, bunny has quite good odds of just being the smuggler that was protecting EMC lol.

Then it might even be possible that EMC is either the RB or blackmailer that just put his two teammates in there (EMC: damo maniac) to protect them or some nonsense lol.

Lmao I don't think you know how excited I was when Neph flipped cop

[Vecna]

I dont think ive ever seen this devastating PR use in 2 nights.

Maybe that equalizer role, but that was cheating anyway