M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[ghug]

A sense of non-effort and noise generation is a majority of it.

Where could you possibly get the sense that I'm not putting in effort?

It isn’t hard to post a lot of useless information and not actually contribute to figuring the game out.

I should know, right?

Are you saying this because you disagree with my reads or because you don't think I've been digging? Only one of these positions is defensible.

[worcej]

I actually agree with that though

Gone are the days were my suspicion of Ghug was suppresed. For those reasons pretty much

Agree with what?

id say that should be pretty obvious since you wrote the post like 10 seconds before :p

im expecting you to sheep me on Kgray if I do die

Unlike others, I do reflect on the reads of the dead often.

[worcej]

Where could you possibly get the sense that I'm not putting in effort?

It isn’t hard to post a lot of useless information and not actually contribute to figuring the game out.

I should know, right?

Are you saying this because you disagree with my reads or because you don't think I've been digging? Only one of these positions is defensible.

Both.

[Hamilton Brian]

Agree with what?

id say that should be pretty obvious since you wrote the post like 10 seconds before :p

im expecting you to sheep me on Kgray if I do die

Unlike others, I do reflect on the reads of the dead often.

I don't remember if RDR did any EON reads. If so, were there any similarities with brainbomb's incomplete list?

[Fluminator]

The only people who would probably NK me right now are ghug and durga so look more closely into them if I die lol. More ghug than durga.

[worcej]

Honestly, by just chiming in here and there and being a pot-stirrer in a majority of cases, it’s hard to remember any actual position you have.

[ghug]

Honestly, by just chiming in here and there and being a pot-stirrer in a majority of cases, it’s hard to remember any actual position you have.

That's why I periodically lay out all of my positions in one place so you can look at them.

[Hamilton Brian]

Who are our 11 "guests?"

[ghug]

Who are our 11 "guests?"

Seven of them are damo.

[Hamilton Brian]

Who are our 11 "guests?"

Seven of them are damo.

Heh!

[worcej]

Honestly, by just chiming in here and there and being a pot-stirrer in a majority of cases, it’s hard to remember any actual position you have.

That's why I periodically lay out all of my positions in one place so you can look at them.

And I cannot remember you doing this at all - but I’ll just dig in the bot and see.

[Hamilton Brian]

Alright, going to drop this here now so I don't get modkilled a second time.

Pretty certain I live through the night; scum know I’m not a mental threat. Here are reads, such as they are:

Suspicious:

Jamie, Durga, Bozo. Just seem to be playing a different game. More passive than I’ve witnessed. Bozo doesn’t seem as hyperfocused. More scattered across tangents.

Kgray: playing like I’ve seen, and it doesn’t bode well for town.

Uncertain:

Vashta, Yoyo, Chaqa, EMC, Worcej, Bunny, Vecna, Ghug, Flum, Damo, HR, aaro

Town?

Celaph, Maniac, Bona, Balki. Celaph seemed to demonstrate a townie response D1. Bona worked through the EOD2 with opinionating and editorializing. Leaving that much material is fodder for anyone hunting scum. I don’t recall why for Maniac, but I feel like they were poking and prodding and thinking. No specifics on Balki, either, but the questions they ask/posts they refer to isn’t lazy and seems to have focus.

[Fluminator]

If Nephytys is usually a good player he's probably scum. If not I see him being overconfident town who picks something and rolls with it whatever happens.

Don't forget about Jamiet.

Don't let Bunny continue to slip under the radar either. He might be town, but I think he needs more pressure.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I had hoped to get more time for re-reads, but I’m not quite there yet. Still, I want to get my current thinking on alignments in the thread:

More Likely Town

Nephthys – it’s the confidence. Declarative statements; no hedging. Taking some positions that go against the grain. Feels very town to me.

Vecna – Oh, this is the one that will hurt most if I’m wrong. I like Vecna’s process. I understand his reasoning. I find myself nodding along. Lingering doubt here because, I find, that when I’m under fire as Town, so often the person who swoops in to take my side and defend me is actually scum. That was teacon a bit on Day 1. It could possibly be Vecna on Day 2. But I like his contributions enough that I would not vote there for quite a while.

Durga – I felt like her confusion about the number of scum was unlikely to be a performance because it was unlikely for Durga to predict that she would get town credit for that. Quite the opposite. And I don’t think Scum!Durga would have that same confusion. I don’t like her brainbomb vote, but I am thinking of her townishly nonetheless.

Jamiet – I totally forget why I have sorted Jamiet as Town in my mind. But I know that I have.

Bozo – Oh, I kind of liked how he engaged with me on Day 1 when I asked him to justify his case on me. I didn’t sense that he wanted to dodge me, and the push on me was generally swimming upriver at that time.

Damo – I need to go back and read the game where I played with Damo and kgray (my last game), but I will provisionally sort Damo here. I just find the whole math thing to be so ridiculous that nobody trying to blend in would offer it up.

worcej - I really liked a post he wrote about damo this phase. I forget what it was. Something about math... I don't know. It just seemed like a legit contribution, which was good to see after a distracting Day 1.

More Likely Scum

ghug – two things stand out to me. Number one is his Day 1/Day 2 Fluminator read that was dependent on Flum reading ghug as Town. I just don’t think that ghug would expect Town!flum to be able to sort ghug correctly, so early, and so it felt like ghug’s statements to that effect were insincere. Second, I have a lot of faith in ghug to read alignments. That is why I am most surprised by ghug landing on that brainbomb wagon. ** Caveat: I need to go back and read that sequence more closely, as I have only skimmed it. ** I felt like brainbomb was one of the more readable slots in the game, based on his emotion. I am really surprised that town!ghug would vote to kill brainbomb there. I know this thinking should apply to others too. Maybe Durga, maybe flum. But it bothers me with respect to ghug, in particular, I guess because I feel like he would see brainbomb there similar to how I saw him.

Hellenic Riot – I just feel like he’s not engaging me. It’s weird. And he doesn’t seem to be making any sense. Also weird. He is a strong town player, and he is not playing a strong town game.

Hamilton Brian – I wrote about him above. I feel like he is making a show of talking about active like a townie, rather than just doing it.

Those are the best thoughts I have crystalized right now.

[Vecna]

Town
Vecna
Kgray
Durga
Worcej
(-cutoff point - pretty certain people above this line are not faking, do not want to kill for a long time unless something shocking happens)

3/3 newbies - pretty much liking all three of em by now. Still potential for high quality fakery.
J​amiet

HR - He does feel weird this game. It might be nothing. It might be high quality fakery. One to watch out for


EMC
Chaqa
Balki
Bunny
Ghug
--​-----------------NULL LINE
Vash
Yoyozo

​Damo
Maniac

Nephtys
Bozo
Scum

Parity cop alignment: Brian Hamilton / Flum (both either town or scum)



Notes for tomorrow in case I die:

-stop fucking wagoning Kgray
-try to sheep and listen to Ghug a bit less. He'd been fundamental in pushing us in the wrong direction towards eod twice now. Im not sure if it comes from a bad space, but meh....
-Resolve whether HR and his reads are trustworthy. The group and direction of his scumreads is ringing somewhat correct, but at the same time the group he's protecting could also be protected scum.
-Stop giving Bozo a pass. He has been less impressive this game than Vash. "oh no, he does things with votes, he always does that" is not an argument. He has not tried to figure out shit. He has been hiding behind a few weakass arguments. He has not been pressing people at all. He has not been detectiving. He's going to start finding raesons that are more elaborate now even if he is scum. Thats how he played last game as well. Look into what he claims. He often pulls shit out of context while scum. His reasoning is faulty then. PRESS HIM ON IT.

[Maniac]

Scum pool (In alphabetical order)
Aarodactyl – Page 48 T-28hrs you said “ Also I already don’t really like ND but I also don’t like the push to vote them out already, since it could be scum trying to start a bandwagon (or whatever term you use here for that).”
Then he doesn’t appear to mention ND at all until on page 97 T-01.39 he says “##vote ND - My reason behind this is that the initial fighting seemed like a way to clog up discussion. And everything after that has seemed like a way to get attention off themselves. Also I’d be lying if I didn’t say that their posts have also been too abrasive for me, so I won’t be too sad if I’m wrong with the read.”
This took ND to 3 votes. At this point teacon wasn’t really a wagon, that gained traction 30mins later, but scum!aatodactyl could have been motivated to go for an easy daykill. Many people myself included had indicted that ND would be a good daykill for a variety of reasons including that he came across as aggressive. Aarodactyl’s change of heart from not wanting to vote for ND because of his playing style, to voting for him because of his playing style looks scummy to me.

Chaqa – Chaqa lurked quite a lot D1 and complained about the number of pages. He got a town vibe from Bunny and voted Teacon7 to sheep Bunny with 4 minutes to go. That vote put Teacon in the lead. This could be a bus of course, but Chaqa hadn’t left himself anywhere to go so must have been fully committed to bussing Teacon D1 or was confident that Teacon would be saved and he could gain town cred later if Teacon flipped. I had thought that it was more likely Chaqa was bussing and was confident others would save him, but because Chaqa claims not to have read much of the thread (and I believe him) could he have been confident that either ND or me would get daykilled instead? I don’t think so, so Chaqa is now in my Town Pool.

Damo – I still don’t like his comment “Jamie is usually easy to read, will prob obvtown soon enough” as it implies knowledge of Jamie’s alignment.
I really don’t like his EOD1 voting. Him voting for me 3minutes out for zero reason is bad enough, but then not to choose between 2 main wagons in final seconds just lets scum manipulate the game.

EMC2 – I just don’t see him doing anything to solve the game. Coasting, he is better than this as town.

Jamie – town if Damo is scum. Jamie is quite a soft scum read, but still in this pool. I feel that there was scum in the Aarodactyl/Jamie/Brainbomb section of the ND push/Teacon save. Obv Brainbomb has since flipped Town.

Vashta – possibly deep threat. I don’t remember a single post of Vashta and I recall him regaling us with his stories and flavor. I miss that Vashta and he’ll stay a scum read until we get him back.

WorceJ – he was on my scum pool list for a reason, and now I can’t remember why. Don’t laugh, these senior moments will come to you all.

Null Pool (In alphabetical order)
Bonatogether
Bozo
Nephthys
Vecna
Yoyo
Town Pool (in alphabetical order)
Balki
BunnyGo
Celaph
Durga
Flum
Ghug
Hellenic Riot
Kgray
Maniac – as Handsome as ever.

[Fluminator]

HR is still playing weird this game. Don't know what to make of it. His teacon vote didn't seem like bussing. Falling for busses is usually my weak point though.

[Hellenic Riot]

EoN2 Reads:

ghug - Leaning town, like the way his thoughts on Balki have developed tonight in particular

worcej - Leaning scum - Loathe his EoD2 surety that it was TvT, and feel he's been very strange in picking certain things to push on whilst ignoring others, like he's been trying to fit the narrative to his scumreads rather than the other way around

kgray - Still pretty solidly town, but she's wrong about damo and I don't recall her being so tunnelly before

Vecna - Still not really getting anything townie from him, though I am at least noticing his presence now. I'm quite conflicted about how much attention he drew at EoD yesterday with the forum apparently swallowing his change back to HB, after he'd already jumped from HB to brain in the first place.

Balki - Pretty solid scumread who seems far more obsessed over people scumreading him than anything else - Notably the second ghug pointed this out he suddenly found it in him to start doing a bit of questioning, whilst ignoring ghug's point.

Fluminator - Beginning to get quite suspicious; felt the way he was making it so clear that he was following my read on damo and reinforcing that so many times was just plain weird, particularly when he didn't respond when I took it to absurd extremes. Not to mention the bizarre way he linked me to HB tonight.

damo - Still a solid townread

Hamilton Brian - I don't really have a townread here, but the biggest reason I'm leaning away from him is that when he was at his peak vote lead yesterday I had good feelings about two people on that wagon at maximum (Chaqa & celaph)

Durga - Still a solid townread

Nephthys - Liking their play a lot more of late, beginning to lead onto town

Jamie - No opinion, which is quite unusual. I don't believe that Flum would miss his vote-post limiting D1, so the exchange about it between them tonight felt awfully forced to me

Aaro - Seems to only get involved when he can make big posts/rereads without actually having to give many/any opinions of his own, and indeed his most active part of the game has been to take apart damo's weird math. Quite scummy.

Maniac - Absolutely atrocious EoD yesterday. The way he signalled he would change to brain without doing it unless HB did first was just plain weird, and it felt like he didn't give a shit which of them died. Tonight has been less bad, but I can definitely buy him being scum now.

Bonatogether - Some weird stuff but nothing consistently bad, so I can put it down to noobiness at the present

emc - Scumread has somewhat faded but the way he voted HB at the end of yesterday having never previously suggested he was going that way still bothers me.

Bozo - Doing surprisingly little, but still leaning town

Chaqa - Pretty solid townread at this point

Celaph - Also getting quite a strong townread now

BunnyGo - Ambivalent

Vash - Nothing

Yoyo - Worse than Nothing

[Vecna]

If Nephytys is usually a good player he's probably scum. If not I see him being overconfident town who picks something and rolls with it whatever happens.

Don't forget about Jamiet.

Don't let Bunny continue to slip under the radar either. He might be town, but I think he needs more pressure.

he is good when trying

[President Eden]

NIGHT TWO HAS ENDED. CEASE POSTING, MORTALS.